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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/23 02:44:41
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How do you know there will only be 1000 made?
The card will be a standard 580 with more memory, the end.
I would assume that the PCB will be very similar to the Palait and Gainward models that are on the market now. think about it, there aren't that many manufacturers of GPUs in the world, even if it is different, wait a month or so.....EK will have a block for it if there is a demand.
I'm anxious to see this card arrive in hopes it will drive down the cost and demand for the standard 580 so I can snatch up a couple.
As far as step-up goes, I can't see a step-upfrom a standard 580 being available, it's a 580 after all. I'm sure if the quantity is enough, you'll be able to step up from a lesser card.
No thats not the end, 590 consist of cherrypicked GPU:s to meet the standard and clock as hight it can and still be close to the 365-375E it will pull in nirmal mode. From day 1 it has been said and all rumors have said it as well that supply will be limited and they are fools if they let a extreme limited niche product like 590 that they dont make any money from destroys 580 rumor and make them not so good OC because the good one is wasted on 590 instead of put to better unleached use in 580. Only dreamers still think 590 will be widely avalible at sub 800USD and any higher than the 6xMHZ that is only thing that we can trust is incorrect entering and just not reliable enought when we know tha card will pull recodbreaking power from the PSU. You can NOT asue it will be simular because Palit/Gainward is using a 570 PCB to get what they want, we dont know if EVGA just take the easyroute with just using standard 580 PCB, standard substandard cooler and double size memory. EK aint dumb and market for 3GB 580 is not what it was when Palit entered it, now it just consit of leftovers and any company that see that demand aint high enough wont do a block, we have yet to see a block for ASUS 580 DCII and the demand for that is quite a bit higher. To make a block dont expect less than 2 month as EK is just about 1 week away from release the one for Gainward/Palit after betatesting and pile up to meet the demand that made them do the block in first place. That block is also not only for the 3GB it will fit another 580 with same PCB and equipt with a better cooler so that way they sell even more as the 3GB alone wont justify a production. AND Gainward/Palit is comming with another batch 580 3GB so demand is even lower for a block to EVGA-card as anyone that seek a good cooler, know that a WC-block will be avalible dont go EVGA and hope for the best, they buy what is known to bee cool and have a WC-block avalible. Gainwardcooler is known to bee extremly good and card is known to get a wc-block within a week. Waranty, stepup is not even worth it as it is you the buyer that need to know when something is 90 days away and will be in stepup and that is more draw of luck than anything, like the 9800GX2 to 280 that was the ultimate stepup you could do and remain the best to days date. Shipping a card the Gremany is expensive in europe so that goese the warranty down the drain as any shop replace any brand with no issue for local fee in shippng and that is not more than 1/5 of the fee to germany.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/23 03:21:49
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Using the same reference PCB with higher density RAM chips would be the best way to go bc all current water blocks and after market coolers would already be compatible
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/23 08:55:26
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Using the same reference PCB with higher density RAM chips would be the best way to go bc all current water blocks and after market coolers would already be compatible
I agree completely. Hopefully they release these soon. It's getting really frustrating that I can't use nvidia surround at all with some games due to the VRAM needed. I realize that 8100x1600 is huge, but at that resolution the VRAM usage is very high, and I am maxing out 1.5GB all the time lately and am forced to play on a single screen. I fired up Crysis 1 the other day to see if It would work in surround, and sure enough, the game crashed at that resolution due to VRAM. I am playing at the highest settings, but this is not something I am willing to compromise. Visual quality being at it's highest is the reason I buy the highest end cards Nvidia makes every generation. If nvidia is going to allow these high resolutions, they should at least provide the hardware with enough vram to be able to use them properly. These should have been a secondary nvidia reference design and widely available at release, many people use nvidia surround. Now I have to go through the hassle of selling my current 580's (that OC pretty well) and hope that there is enough stock of the 3GB versions for me to replace all 3 of my cards and hope they OC even close to my current ones. Ugh.. Please just get these out soon!
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/23 09:05:49
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Yup we r both in the same boat. Trying to sell them us one thing but also trying to get 3 3g one to replace them is even harder
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/23 09:34:01
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I wonder if it inherently a problem to just put higher density RAM chips on the standard 580 PCB. It would seem rather simple to just replace the stock chips with the higher density ones when they get soldered on. Unless they are physically larger chips in which the PCB needs to be custom? I think it would be smart to make a EVGA water block version for the 3GB 580s. Here is a pic of the Palit/Gainward 3GB cooler:  Going to order 4 of these as soon as they show online.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/24 07:09:41
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Is Evga gonna make 3 x DVI outputs on GTX 580 3GB? I pray they will.
Why would they do that? You can only do 2 screens off one Nvidia GPU.
Because I have 3 x U3011H.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/24 07:10:44
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Is Evga gonna make 3 x DVI outputs on GTX 580 3GB? I pray they will.
3 DVI connectors would also prevent the card from being single slot if water cooled.
I wouldn't care about watercooling.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/24 11:48:25
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I am also waiting on the 3GB 580’s as well but I’m wondering if I should even bother. I only plan to game on a single 2560x1440 monitor. Do you think I will hit any VRAM issues on this or is it just a problem for the multiple monitor folks? I plan on playing some graphic intensive games but not the “GPU killers” like Metro 2033 or Crysis. I'll probably be going SLI as well since I want no less than 60FPS minimum with max settings. I'm not sure if the new GTX 590 can pull it off since it's just an underclocked GTX 570 SLI with the same 1.5GB RAM limitation.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/24 13:47:19
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will it be on the step up?
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/24 13:58:07
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I am also waiting on the 3GB 580’s as well but I’m wondering if I should even bother. I only plan to game on a single 2560x1440 monitor. Do you think I will hit any VRAM issues on this or is it just a problem for the multiple monitor folks? I plan on playing some graphic intensive games but not the “GPU killers” like Metro 2033 or Crysis. I'll probably be going SLI as well since I want no less than 60FPS minimum with max settings. I'm not sure if the new GTX 590 can pull it off since it's just an underclocked GTX 570 SLI with the same 1.5GB RAM limitation.
I'm considering three 580 3GB. I think the 3GB versions are worth it if you want to run them in SLI. If not, then the 590 will win pretty much all the time. A single 580 core is simply not enough to use more than 1.5GB without frame rates dropping into the 30s regardless. While not enough is known right now, I think the VRMs on the 590 could be a problem. If they have problems even under water then the 590's clocks can't be helped. On the other hand, the 580s will start higher than the 590 and will likely overclock to ~900MHz core with sufficient cooling. As such, you'll get noticeably better performance with the 3GB 580s even if your games don't use more than 1500MB. I can say that my 480s in SLI weren't quite enough fast enough at 2560x1600 for my tastes, often because of the vram limit. Benchmarks are only snapshots of game play, they may be vram intensive or computationally intensive or both. Vram usage can actually vary widely in the same game depending on the level meaning it may not be reflected in a benchmark. I'd imagine most major games coming out in the next six months will push 1500MB+ at one time or another at 2560 with 8xAA. 60fps all the time is a little much to expect to be honest, but nevertheless, 3GB 580s will give you the best chance. Obviously 480 SLI, 580 SLI or a 590 will run 2560x1600/1440 fine, it's just a matter of how much AA and your definition of smooth. If the 590 could be overclocked to 580 levels reliably (seems unlikely at the moment) it might not be worth it to fork over $300 more for two 3GB 580s. However, the overclocking potential of the 580 itself combined with the extra 1.5GB ram in the 3GB versions makes two of them more attractive than the 590 IMO. The same goes for tri SLI 580 3GB vs 590 SLI.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/24 17:56:00
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will it be on the step up?
Probably not as they aren't reference cards.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/26 11:40:19
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I wonder if it inherently a problem to just put higher density RAM chips on the standard 580 PCB. It would seem rather simple to just replace the stock chips with the higher density ones when they get soldered on. Unless they are physically larger chips in which the PCB needs to be custom?
I think it would be smart to make a EVGA water block version for the 3GB 580s. Here is a pic of the Palit/Gainward 3GB cooler:
Going to order 4 of these as soon as they show online.
wow those look awesome are they going to come in acetal and nickle to and are they gonna have back plates to?
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/26 22:28:21
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Manitory backplate to go with the EK FC580GW is avalible as well.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/26 22:38:52
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If and when the 580 3 Gig comes out, can you SLI a Standard 580 with the 3gig 580? Putting the 3gig one as the primary and the 2nd 1.5gig as the second one would this work or would it be pointless?
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/26 22:40:34
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You would only get 1.5GB usable the way i understand so you waste the 3GB card away.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/26 23:01:59
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really were is it available at?i don't think it on ek's site can you please send me a link
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/26 23:35:04
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I just want one 3gb GTX580 so I can do some GPU rendering.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/27 07:14:32
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really were is it available at?i don't think it on ek's site can you please send me a link
It will pop up when the 580GW block does and i understand it will be this upcomming week.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/27 08:35:22
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me thinks this is gonna be a classified 3GB 580
limited production, no step up and probably modest clock increase
I have no evidence to back up this claim
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/27 08:54:16
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me thinks this is gonna be a classified 3GB 580
limited production, no step up and probably modest clock increase
I have no evidence to back up this claim
You are 150% correct as anything else make no sence. Market for 3GB:s aint what it was 2 month ago so limited edition it will be as Gainward/Palit is comming back with more cards so marketshare they shall share is small and not all needs 3GB.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/27 09:01:17
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me thinks this is gonna be a classified 3GB 580
limited production, no step up and probably modest clock increase
I have no evidence to back up this claim
You are 150% correct as anything else make no sence. Market for 3GB:s aint what it was 2 month ago so limited edition it will be as Gainward/Palit is comming back with more cards so marketshare they shall share is small and not all needs 3GB.
to add to that, full out with all the bells & whistles (including the kitchen sink) reference design with backplate, classified badging, high flow bracket, limited edition stickers and some fancy box limited warranty again nothing to back this up with
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/27 09:35:56
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me thinks this is gonna be a classified 3GB 580
limited production, no step up and probably modest clock increase
I have no evidence to back up this claim
You are 150% correct as anything else make no sence. Market for 3GB:s aint what it was 2 month ago so limited edition it will be as Gainward/Palit is comming back with more cards so marketshare they shall share is small and not all needs 3GB.
to add to that, full out with all the bells & whistles (including the kitchen sink)
reference design with backplate, classified badging, high flow bracket, limited edition stickers and some fancy box
limited warranty
again nothing to back this up with
Not sure about referencedesign as in regular 580 block will fit as it may have to go nonreference to be able to use double density memories or the memory simply just make the block not fit as the measurements in height is to mutch off. Otherwice we should see market overflooded with 3GB 580:s from every vendor with some feeling for the market and ASUS just because they are what they are.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/31 07:09:56
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bump I know its not quite April but I eagerly await this card!  Feel free to release them sooner than later!  Considered the 590 but I would want a new PSU to go with it. Sad to say but a 590 plus a new PSU is a little beyond the budget at this time. 
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/31 12:04:29
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heh, yea right, evga you keep holding that 3gb 580 version till june 1 week before kepler launch. then users can bite their asses for buying a brand new obsolete techology. lol 
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/31 12:08:03
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The 256MB GDDR5 modules are the same physical size as the 128MB modules, they are just more difficult to fabricate at high yields. the 2GB Radeons use them. callsignvega
I wonder if it inherently a problem to just put higher density RAM chips on the standard 580 PCB. It would seem rather simple to just replace the stock chips with the higher density ones when they get soldered on. Unless they are physically larger chips in which the PCB needs to be custom?
I think it would be smart to make a EVGA water block version for the 3GB 580s. Here is a pic of the Palit/Gainward 3GB cooler:
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2011/03/31 12:13:54
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The 256MB GDDR5 modules are the same physical size as the 128MB modules, they are just more difficult to fabricate at high yields. the 2GB Radeons use them.
yeah, though the higher density chips use a whole new fab node, so they don't draw much more power vs the lower density ones. 
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/31 12:25:23
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aye, 50nm vs 66nm.
seems hynix has 40nm 2Gb modules as well.
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/31 12:42:36
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heh, yea right, evga you keep holding that 3gb 580 version till june 1 week before kepler launch.
then users can bite their asses for buying a brand new obsolete techology.
lol If you think Kepler is going to launch in three months faster than a 3GB 580 I have some tea to sell you in China. 
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Re:EVGA, will you release a 3072 mb GTX 580?
2011/03/31 12:43:55
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Kepler is scheduled for Q4.
CPU:Intel i7 920 @ 3.8(D0), Mainboard:Asus Rampage II Gene, Memory:12GB Corsair Vengeance 1600
Video:EVGA Geforce GTX 680+ 4GB, Sound:Creative XFI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro, Monitor:BenQ G2400WD
HDD:500GB Spinpoint F3, 1TB WD Black, 2TB WD Red, 1TB WD Black
Case:NZXT Guardian 921RB, PSU:Corsair 620HX, OS:Windows 7 SP1
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