Why would EVGA go backwards in building boards?   ATI is always playing catch-up.  IMO Nvidia seems to be just a little better across the line and same will be true with the next round of GPUs.

EVGA and Nvidia have some sort of deal that prevents EVGA from doing AMD. At least that is what I understand. This would not be the first time I have seen this question come up, and not the last.

loveha

EVGA and Nvidia have some sort of deal that prevents EVGA from doing AMD. At least that is what I understand. This would not be the first time I have seen this question come up, and not the last.

That's messed up. Hopefully that "contract" is ending soon
 
EVGA seems to sell more in etailers and retailers such as Fry's & Microcenter. It just makes sense and anything with an EVGA logo on it will take notice far quicker than another competitor's brand.

I wouldn't mind seeing the option of buying an EVGA ATI-based card.  I have nothing against either company, and would just as gladly use an ATI card as I will an nVidia card.

More like a small slight edge here n there from the 680, some places 680 doing better, also 7970 uses more power. More or less it all comes down to choice, whats cheaper, or slightly better specs, or a power saver. Besides 700's series is right around the corner, I'd wait.

Now compare the EVGA (high price?) GTX 690  (with same OCing) at $1200 with water block to the Asus ROG ARES II (ARES2-6GD5) Radeon HD 7970 at $1500.  " your" "And not only that they are hammering them in the price point too"
All the test I have seen show real performance close, but for the things I use... Nvidia is just sligthly better and a lot cooler (temp).  

KenMcC

Now compare the EVGA (high price?) GTX 690  (with same OCing) at $1200 with water block to the Asus ROG ARES II (ARES2-6GD5) Radeon HD 7970 at $1500.  " your" "And not only that they are hammering them in the price point too"
All the test I have seen show real performance close, but for the things I use... Nvidia is just sligthly better and a lot cooler (temp).  

Misinformed again.
 
AMD has no 7990.  The ARES II card is all of ASUS design just like PowerColor's Devils 13 and lesser normal 7990.  With no real MSRP since there is no such reference design both companies can charge whatever they want for that card design. 
Not only that the Devils 13 at 999.99 smashes the GTX690 in all test.
 
And how are you getting away with a WC GTX690 for 1200?  Must be on some cheap stuff.  GTX690 + 129.99 (cheapest WB that can be found atm for that card) + tubing + fittings + pump + res + radiator = higher than a 1200 dollars.

Reddawne
When is EVGA going to get into the ATI gpu hunt? Asus does it and comes up with great cards for both Nvidia & ATI.

I don't see this happening.  EVGA has a strong partnership with Nvidia.
 
If anything, I see EVGA branching out into the SSD or headset market, or even sound cards with Asus or Soundblaster.  On the other hand, selling EVGA AMD Cards is a little far-fetched a concept, or a little hard to swallow.
 
I doubt EVGA will compete as a top teir in a sense like ROG-Asus.  The economy isn't all that great, and it's another big investment.  ROG-Asus is like the elite of the elite.  You have Asus Graphics Cards, and you have Asus ROG Graphic Cards.  EVGA, truthfully, doesn't need to compete because their sales come from their own line of products which is high in quality, in it's own.
 

gravedigger78
The problem with EVGA having both brands is they would be competing against themselves in sales. The same reason why many car manufactures shot themselves in the foot by trying to sell multiple different cars that were considered the same class of vehicle.

 
I don't believe this scenario to be true.  We aren't looking at a large differential-market scenario where 4 or more Video Graphics Card makers, lets say 10 (Brand A, Brand B, Brand C, ...) are producing the same products with very little change to them like a t-shirt store or car manufacturer.  There's only two in the real world competing in the same market: AMD and Nvidia.  They have their vendors who sell these AMD and Nvidia cards to consumers.  EVGA is one of them.  I believe you're correct about the car because, there are multiple car manufacturers producing multiple economy brand, sporting brand, luxary brand models of cars, suv and trucks.  On the other hand, if--and that's a big "if," EVGA started selling AMD cards, it will become a balancing act between Nvidia and AMD, but it is profitable on EVGA's end.  Asus and Gigabyte are doing it.  They sell their reference AMD and Nvidia cards to consumers.  So you can't say it's unrealistic or unprofitable.  AMD and Nvidia produces the reference model, and EVGA could take both, tweak it, smack the EVGA Brand Logo for increased sales, and make profits either way.  AMD and Nvidia get their royalties in the process.  The circle of life is still perpetuating with Video Cards.
 
What Asus is doing now with their graphics card is their waiting to see which one performs the best when the newest generation is released.  Then say hey, AMD Card XX72 is better, performance wise versus the Nvidia Flagship card this year.  So they engineer it to be the best of the best, slap that Asus RoG sticker on top, and bank $$$.  Thus, the concept for the Ares, Mars, and other ROG cards came to be, produced and sold to consumers.  Since the 400 series cards were kind of crap, there wasn't a dual gpu version, the 5990 was unoffically nominated as top dog.  So Asus-ROG made a 5990 card with steriods.  Following after that, ROG made the Mars II with the 580 x2.  A concept probably barrowed from AMD's #### x2 naming-style.  I don't believe the 590 wasn't doing well, and the 6990 series AMD cards weren't doing any better, but they were always sold out.  Now it's the Ares II which is a AMD 7970 x2 with GHZ gpus on it because the GHZ edition graphic cards are either toe-to-toe, or moping Nvidia's 600 series cards in fps performance.  This year, it could be some MARs IIII Nvidia Card which is probably going to be sporting dual gpu Nvidia GK110 monster that takes up 3 slots with watercooling and the works.  Could be called Asus-ROG MARS Titan--just pitching ideas. 
 

Rei86
And how are you getting away with a WC GTX690 for 1200? Must be on some cheap stuff. GTX690 + 129.99 (cheapest WB that can be found atm for that card) + tubing + fittings + pump + res + radiator = higher than a 1200 dollars.

 
Only way I see this happening is the GTX 690 is 2nd hand.  Marked down from its original price from the previous owner, with and without the watercooling on top.  Personally, the high end x2 AMD cards excluding the ARES II, is cheaper in price in comparison to the 690s on the market, and probably better in performance.  So I have to agree with Rei86.  Even a air-stocked 690 is still above $1000.00 on Newegg.  Though, I won't deny seeing an Asus or EVGA reference 690 on Newegg for alittle under $1k.  It still wouldn't be worth buying a 690 unless your heart was dead-lock-set on getting it.

fyi the gtx 680 destroys the 7970 in any benchmark with high tessa and thats what nvidia focuses on which equals better performance .....and i know this from my last video card i had a 6990 and had a chance to try a gtx 570 and never went back 

doorules

ATI cards right now are eating nvidia's lunch in benchmarks.

Hoping a new driver can close the gap some but it ain't pretty right now. 

See any nvidia cards in the list, I don't. New 3d mark hall of fame.

http://www.3dmark.com/hal.of-fame/fire-strike-top/

 
The two best GTX680s (overclocking anyways) are the EVGA Classified (EVBot Port) and MSI Lightning cards and I haven't seen them in SLI crack 13500 in the new Fire Strike...   AMD with Beta 13.XX addressed an issue the day after the new 3DMarks program was out for CFX problems.  AMD is on a roll every since they gained so much momentum with 12.11.

gamecrazeddork

fyi the gtx 680 destroys the 7970 in any benchmark with high tessa and thats what nvidia focuses on which equals better performance .....and i know this from my last video card i had a 6990 and had a chance to try a gtx 570 and never went back 

Out of curiosity, since you singled out tessellation, what games do you know make tessellation a primary feature focus?

Rei86

doorules

ATI cards right now are eating nvidia's lunch in benchmarks.

Hoping a new driver can close the gap some but it ain't pretty right now. 

See any nvidia cards in the list, I don't. New 3d mark hall of fame.

http://www.3dmark.com/hal.of-fame/fire-strike-top/

The two best GTX680s (overclocking anyways) are the EVGA Classified (EVBot Port) and MSI Lightning cards and I haven't seen them in SLI crack 13500 in the new Fire Strike...   AMD with Beta 13.XX addressed an issue the day after the new 3DMarks program was out for CFX problems.  AMD is on a roll every since they gained so much momentum with 12.11.

Well I don't have the classified  or msi lightening but I can hold my own for now I think...

13570 fire strike
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/103204


680's are doing much better with the extreme preset though, harder for the 7970's to run away
 

Shrug, partnering with Nvidia seems like a safer bet as how poorly AMD is doing in terms of management.
 
AMD is still stuck in a restructuring process, due to their poor management. On top of that, the majority of people consider AMD to being the lesser company compared to both Intel and Nvidia.

Customers don't typically think like a business when they ask about potential products.  Someone will eventually ask about AMD boards through EVGA and the answer doesn't change from AMD Radeons: It has to be about them first-- the old saying "customer is always right" only applies to items available for purchase, it doesn't apply to stuff that doesn't exist where the business has right of way.  It doesn't matter how much you want something unless it is worth the companies investment to give it to you and others like you.
 
For instance, let's say it costs $ 1 million for EVGA to design and produce a motherboard with enough fancy features to net the most sales, thus costing $400 each, so a initial run of 2,500 boards.  EVGA will probably want more than 2,500 customers to make running equipment and manufacturing costs worth it, otherwise the unit cost per board goes up which lowers market size even more.  You see a problem?  Should EVGA lower board cost to sell it better, it means less premium and forces the break-even number to rise and takes longer to get that return-on-investment-- which is the entire point for making the product since it wasn't made for us.
 
In all probability, EVGA has done this type of homework already, that there aren't enough people wanting EVGA to make an AMD Radeon or AMD mainboard.  The market is only big enough for brand names already out there, so you have to settle or sacrifice at this point for something.

bcavnaugh

I Hope they Never go in the ATI direction.
I believe that would Reduce the EVGA name on GPU Market as the best.
I also believe that would be the end of Overclocking GPU's.
If they do go into that direction why even have Nvidia and ATI cards in the 1st place.
We need to keep the race going between Nvidia and ATI or why would either one bother out doing the other.
Bill