ty_ger07

kram36
Plus using Windows so the vid card can be taken advantage of.

 
Eh?  So the video card can't be taken advantage of unless using Windows?  What?
All SteamOS/Linux games use NVIDIA, AMD, or Intel drivers which are hardware accelerated.  In other words, the video card is "taken advantage of".
 
The whole point of SteamOS and the Linux thing in general is to popularize cross-platform PC gaming and attempt to destroy the DirectX stranglehold which currently forces us into a Windows-exclusive PC gaming situation.
 
Why SteamOS?  Because it is a free operating system which allows you to spend more on hardware and less on software when building your computer, supports cross-platform PC gaming, and uses open-source graphics libraries.
 
Why not SteamOS?  The number of Steam games available in MacOS, Linux, or SteamOS are quite limited due to the fact that they require the game to support OpenGL.  Many AAA game publishers deal with DirectX only and therefore the Steam game library is smaller in non-Windows operating systems.  "Why SteamOS?" (above) answers why this should hopefully cause a change towards fewer DirectX-only games to be released in the future.
 
This is the current list of available SteamOS / Linux games through Steam's game library:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=&sort_by=_ASC&os=linux&page=1
 
For a while, DICE teased that they were going to release a version of BF4 for Linux.  Too bad that never happened.  If it had happened, I think that would probably be the biggest modern title ever to be released on Linux.  Of course, in the past, Unreal Tournament, Half Life 2, and Team Fortress 2 were huge Linux releases as well.  The whole point of this campaign is to hopefully continue progress in creating a brighter future for PC gaming instead of allowing it to slowly and continually close in and become more and more monopolistic and more and more expensive.  SteamOS isn't the perfect solution, but I am glad that they are trying and I am glad for everyone who embraces it.
 
By the way, shouldn't this be General Hardware or EVGA Mods Rigs instead of General Discussion?

UnReal-4-Life
I Used Stinger Z77 and EVGA GTX 560 2GB DDR5 works Great with steamOS (I Had a 760 but with the Steam OS it didnt make a any Diff.)

kram36
Glad you know everything, but the OP said this.
 

UnReal-4-Life
I Used Stinger Z77 and EVGA GTX 560 2GB DDR5 works Great with steamOS (I Had a 760 but with the Steam OS it didnt make a any Diff.)

ty_ger07

kram36
Glad you know everything, but the OP said this.
 

UnReal-4-Life
I Used Stinger Z77 and EVGA GTX 560 2GB DDR5 works Great with steamOS (I Had a 760 but with the Steam OS it didnt make a any Diff.)

The video card drivers are straight from NVIDIA, are 3D hardware accelerated, and make use of your graphics hardware.  The OP was very vague with that statement and it could mean anything.  But it certainly does NOT mean that SteamOS is unable to utilize graphics hardware.
 
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/82252/en-us
 
Mr, I have used SteamOS and Linux quite a lot.  I do know a lot more about it than you.
 
The only people using SteamOS who are not able to utilize their graphics hardware are those people running SteamOS inside a virtual machine.

ty_ger07
Dude, I am not going to argue with you. But like I said, the OP's description was EXTREMELY vague and in no way supports the claim that Linux cannot make use of graphics hardware. It could be that his resolution was too low during testing to make a difference, whatever CPU he was using during testing was too slow to see a difference, he was using a virtual machine when testing and that is why he didn't see a difference, the game he was playing during testing wasn't demanding enough to make a difference, .... The list of possibilities goes on and on.

You are making an extremely absurd and baseless argument without any proof at all to back it up.

ty_ger07
He didn't say whether or not he tested the two cards with the same machine. He might have made hardware purchasing and build decisions ahead of time in a virtual machine.

Regardless, I can confirm for you, since you have neve4 used SteamOS yourself, that your argument is baseless and untrue.

ty_ger07
Yes, I have tested SLI quite a lot in Linux. SLI is simply not supported in Linux in most situations. That is why the Windows SLI to Linux SLI difference is so huge. SLI was not the discussion of this topic though, was it? SLI aside, ....

I can't buy two video cards I don't own just to make an argument against you. But, that isn't necessary because there is no evidence that your argument is correct in the first place. No, SteamOS is not FPS capped.

ty_ger07
I work away from home and am not able to provide you any personal benchmark results any time in the near future. If I were home, I could have disabled SLI in Windows and provided you some Windows single-gpu versus Linux single-gpu versus SteamOS single-gpu results.

I hope that you will accept these results instead.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970/980: Windows vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance
http://www.phoronix.com/s...ll900_winlin&num=2

NVIDIA's Linux Driver Continues Running Strong Against The Windows Driver
http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=21310

Each operating system was up-to-date and tested with its default settings. The same Intel Core i7 4790K Haswell system was used for both the Linux and Windows testing. The Seiki 39-inch 3840 x 2160 display was used for testing to run many of the OpenGL benchmarks at 4K for fully stressing these latest NVIDIA graphics cards

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07
I work away from home and am not able to provide you any personal benchmark results any time in the near future. If I were home, I could have disabled SLI in Windows and provided you some Windows single-gpu versus Linux single-gpu versus SteamOS single-gpu results.

I hope that you will accept these results instead.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970/980: Windows vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance
http://www.phoronix.com/s...ll900_winlin&num=2

NVIDIA's Linux Driver Continues Running Strong Against The Windows Driver
http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=21310

Huge problem with that comparison. He ran the Windows driver in OpenGL, not DirectX.
 

Each operating system was up-to-date and tested with its default settings. The same Intel Core i7 4790K Haswell system was used for both the Linux and Windows testing. The Seiki 39-inch 3840 x 2160 display was used for testing to run many of the OpenGL benchmarks at 4K for fully stressing these latest NVIDIA graphics cards

I don't have the facilities or time to continue this bizarre debate. As I said, I simply cannot provide personal benchmark results for you in a timely fashion. Feel free to look for yourself. I am sure that there is plenty of information out there for you indicating a very wide range of situations and computer setups.

Linux does not support DirectX. Only OpenGL hardware acelerated games are supported in Linux. That being the case, the games which are available for testing in Linux happen to be OpenGL games. In other words, that's why they are also OpenGL in Windows. There aren't a wide variety of games which support both OpenGL and DirectX and that is probably why some of them weren't tested in DirectX in Windows.

The OpenGL versus DirectX limitation was already discussed in my first reply. Remember that it was discussed as one of my "Why not [use] SteamOS?" reasons listed in my first reply.

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07

kram36

ty_ger07
I work away from home and am not able to provide you any personal benchmark results any time in the near future. If I were home, I could have disabled SLI in Windows and provided you some Windows single-gpu versus Linux single-gpu versus SteamOS single-gpu results.

I hope that you will accept these results instead.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970/980: Windows vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance
http://www.phoronix.com/s...ll900_winlin&num=2

NVIDIA's Linux Driver Continues Running Strong Against The Windows Driver
http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=21310

Huge problem with that comparison. He ran the Windows driver in OpenGL, not DirectX.

Each operating system was up-to-date and tested with its default settings. The same Intel Core i7 4790K Haswell system was used for both the Linux and Windows testing. The Seiki 39-inch 3840 x 2160 display was used for testing to run many of the OpenGL benchmarks at 4K for fully stressing these latest NVIDIA graphics cards

I don't have the facilities or time to continue this bizarre debate. As I said, I simply cannot provide personal benchmark results for you in a timely fashion. Feel free to look for yourself. I am sure that there is plenty of information out there for you indicating a very wide range of situations and computer setups.

Linux does not support DirectX. Only OpenGL hardware acelerated games are supported in Linux. That being the case, the games which are available for testing in Linux happen to be OpenGL games. In other words, that's why they are also OpenGL in Windows. There aren't a wide variety of games which support both OpenGL and DirectX and that is probably why some of them weren't tested in DirectX in Windows.

The OpenGL versus DirectX limitation was already discussed in my first reply. Remember that it was discussed as one of my "Why not [use] SteamOS?" reasons listed in my first reply.

I don't know why you consider this a "bizarre debate" considering the OP statement or you just think your right all the time. Of course I know Linux runs OpenGL, but to be fair to Windows you have to benchmark it in DirectX which Unigine will let you do, but he choose not to due that to support his objective. I've done the Unigine benchmarks on Linux and Windows DirectX the video card got the better score.

Feel free to share your OpenGL Unigine in Linux versus DirectX Unigine in Windows results. Also feel free to find more information online supporting your argument. As it is, I have only my personal experiences to back up my opinion.

I personally do not like DirectX for many reasons and therefore, although I would be interested in your DirectX results, it doesn't make much difference to me in regards to the future I hope to see in PC gaming. Your numbers would be interesting, but would not cause me to suddenly agree that DirectX in Windows is the better option (in my opinion).

For the games and benchmarks which do not support DirectX, the links I provided are perfectly valid. We can disagree on the rest. But I will never agree that Linux or SteamOS suddenly becomes useless if you have any NVIDIA card newer than a 500 series card; that statement is completely false. As you can see in the links I provided, the newer/faster hardware performs better in Linux than the older/slower hardware. There certainly is not a point where upgrading your hardware in Linux all the sudden becomes pointless.