BioHazardSperm

Falcon_CMH

How old is the ATX spec. That is no excuse. EVGA sells the MB and GPUs. And employed Shamino who experienced the problem a long time ago. What is obvious is EVGA is legally responsible even to the most simple minds.

just wondering where is this information (link please)about Shamino saying this at the launch of these motherboards? Or did he say it after the 400/500 series cards were released?

 
Other users have posted the link showing where Shamino talked about it on another message board. I think the date of the post showed June of 2009.

IMO EVGA may have known about this potential issue, but was not an issue until now. sure shamino mentioned it and that it could happen, but it never did. Only after the 400/500 series launch was this an issue. maybe with the 200 series at extreme clocks and power consumption that is where he found it to be a potential issue. now 400/500 series with higher clocks and higher power consumption and now the issue happens more frequent because we dont need LN2 ect to see the risk, just air and water to find it now. So back then no it was not really an issue IMO, now it is. Well OK so EVGA is responsible, so they took action and fixed the potential issue with the powerboost. Done deal, they had a problem occur not many could predict and they made a solution. Sure many would like the molex to be on the board as it is now on newer boards, but back then it was not needed nor found a reason to be added to the motherboards. so for the older motherboards without it there is this powerboost to fix it.
 
IMO evga took action and fixed newer motherboards with the molex as many others did and produced a powerboost to fix older motherboards.I understand that wont sit well with everyone and for some it will. ASUS replaced the older boards without a molex with a new one with a molex, thats really cool. well EVGA did not, but they still made a fix regardless. weather you call it a cheap fix, hack ect it still does the same thing and works as such. EVGA has dealt with it there own way as other did there way. you can knock them for it or praise them your call, but they did nothing wrong imo, they still fixed the issue regardless if you like how they did it or not.
 
I stick by EVGA and like there products, sure there have been times were i had issue, but they were always resolved. CS imo is great and I honestly can't say anything bad about them. I received the powerboost in the first shipment, tested it and found it to work quiet well. Some say you need more than one or it will not work right, but i really dont see the difference from the powerboost vs onboard molex. electricity follows the least amount of travel to get to the source. so if the powerboost is installed at the top of the gpu slots lets say, it travels down to the rest, maybe losing power. The molex is no different, it will still trickle down into the slots as the powerboost would. IMO the only thing that would make sense to me would be if the traces for the molex on the motherboard that are capable, had the same length traces to each slot then i could believe you would not lose any power as you would if it ran down through the slots as normal or with the powerboost. just my thoughts
 
To sum it up here, i believe EVGA took action made a fix for older motherboards, produced newer motherboards to combat this threat. no matter how you look at it, they did something about it weather were satisfied or not is another story and i would assume people who are not will most likely go elsewhere those who are fine with it will stay EVGA IMO. either way I wish no one to have to go through an issue like this or have this 24-pin melt happen to them and i am glad to see every manufacturer and company to address this is some form or fashion.

Squall_Rinoa86

So where can we buy this little thing? How much or how can i get one?

Right here. Already sold out - more coming in January.

Awsome, will definetly get one as my system is suffering from instabilities due to lack of power!

eppopipe

Just thought some of you would like to know. Being that I built my buddies computer, today we tried to RMA the board due to the "issue" at hand here. (Its a ASUS board!)
No go, no chance. Ive been on the phone with asus for a couple hours now with no sight of them replacing this board. Ive been told to call back for a RMA once and if anything does happen.
So there, in my own personal experience, I will not recommend ASUS, and commend EVGA for their efforts.

 
interesting

eppopipe

Just thought some of you would like to know. Being that I built my buddies computer, today we tried to RMA the board due to the "issue" at hand here. (Its a ASUS board!)
No go, no chance. Ive been on the phone with asus for a couple hours now with no sight of them replacing this board. Ive been told to call back for a RMA once and if anything does happen.
So there, in my own personal experience, I will not recommend ASUS, and commend EVGA for their efforts.

 
This is why I will never buy another Asus product.  I once sent in an m2n32 sli deluxe, they had it for almost two months.  I finally got it back, and happily hooked it up, and it was still dead.   No note, nothing.  Was under warranty and should have been covered.  So I called them to ask what was up, and after 45 minutes on the phone the guy I was speaking with asked me to hold and then hung up on me a few minutes later.  I tried to file another RMA and wasn't even denied, they just didn't respond at all.
 
Never again.   I learned my lesson.  We will see how my Gigabyte RMA goes, but I am really wishing I had bought the EVGA equivalent online instead of my impulse buy at MicroCenter, or had known of this problem and foregone the 3rd 480 and gotten a 762+ classified with the native power mod.
 
That's what I get for trying to save a couple bucks or waiting for availability.

Kanti

I'm a little late to the party and have been skimming through this thread.  What exactly is the "problem" this "booster" fixes?  PCI slots is hot real estate in my case and having to sacrifice one is painful.

 
you can sacrifice a pci-e x1 slot not the x16/x8

You know I am sitting here just wondering what the actual ATX spec says. I think this whole issue ignoring manufacturer idependent designs is this.
 
ATX was introduced in what 1993 or before. Does the spec state just how much power is supposed to be available through the 24pin connector for slots in addition to board functions I mean really, back then was anyone that was working on these specs thinking Hmmm we better make this compliant incase some point in the future, a manufacturer makes a bord with 7 pci-e x16 slots that can draw 75w each. I kinda doubt it.
 
Specs need to be redrawn every so often because individual specs that are created separatly converge, and cause issues tying those seperate specs together, and trying to make everything work.
 
IE Jdec standard is 75w available power from a pci-e x16 2.0 slot.
BUT there is no standard as to how many slots can be on a board without having to have a dedicated line power like the power boost.
 
When the ATX spec and the Jdec Spec were tied together with boards that have 2,3,4,7 pci-e slots the hole that was left was the power distribution to the slots. (this is somewhat of an oversight on the part of board manufacturers.
 
Nvidia made the cards draw < or = to 75w out of the slot.(Supposedly) @Stock Settings
 
Evga made a board built to ATX specs and put 7 pci-e slots on it that meet jdec specs individually But the ability to power more than one or two slots (at the same time) appears to be an afterthought. IE the power mod, or the molex connector on newer boards.
 
Perhaps it is time for atx power specs to be redrawn to have a 28 pin, or a molex, or a new type of plug that gives dedicated power to the PCI-e bus with a max of 75w each, with a max of 4 slots. This covers both issues, board manufacturers can make boards compliant by this, psu manufacturers can make psu's compliant to this, and then the whole extra molex plug and melting 24 pin mess is gone for future boards. call it atx 2.0 lol.
 
The whole issue boils down to several things. Some what out of date specs due to technological advances, standards being created separetly, small oversights that lead to big problems by manugacturers, and finally users that run items outside of stock specifications. Tie them all together, and you are bound to find a weak link...in this case power distrobution to the pci-e bus.
 
Come to think of it, has anyone with a burnt plug been running everything at advertised stock settings.

So what exactly is the deal, video cards frying mobos at random or people OCing so much that he VGA card eats too much power and blows a slot?  is this booster needed if you aren't bumping electrons past stock video settings or what? could it be possible to make some crap like this with a back jack similar to Christmas lights so you don't lose a slot?  If so PM me and lets get rich selling Power Boost DX.
 

BioHazardSperm

Falcon_CMH

How old is the ATX spec. That is no excuse. EVGA sells the MB and GPUs. And employed Shamino who experienced the problem a long time ago. What is obvious is EVGA is legally responsible even to the most simple minds.

just wondering where is this information (link please)about Shamino saying this at the launch of these motherboards? Or did he say it after the 400/500 series cards were released?

Why would it matter whether Shamino revealed this Before, During or After the launch? EVGA is/was aware of the issue at whatever time Shamino posted. EVGA chose to continue to BOTH design the flaw into other MOBO's as well as continue to sell the current MODELS. Continued to Market as "Classified" as well.

Naieve

eppopipe

Just thought some of you would like to know. Being that I built my buddies computer, today we tried to RMA the board due to the "issue" at hand here. (Its a ASUS board!)
No go, no chance. Ive been on the phone with asus for a couple hours now with no sight of them replacing this board. Ive been told to call back for a RMA once and if anything does happen.
So there, in my own personal experience, I will not recommend ASUS, and commend EVGA for their efforts.

This is why I will never buy another Asus product.  I once sent in an m2n32 sli deluxe, they had it for almost two months.  I finally got it back, and happily hooked it up, and it was still dead.   No note, nothing.  Was under warranty and should have been covered.  So I called them to ask what was up, and after 45 minutes on the phone the guy I was speaking with asked me to hold and then hung up on me a few minutes later.  I tried to file another RMA and wasn't even denied, they just didn't respond at all.

Never again.   I learned my lesson.  We will see how my Gigabyte RMA goes, but I am really wishing I had bought the EVGA equivalent online instead of my impulse buy at MicroCenter, or had known of this problem and foregone the 3rd 480 and gotten a 762+ classified with the native power mod.

That's what I get for trying to save a couple bucks or waiting for availability.

I don't know why this ASUS/Gigabyte board thing bothers you?? REALLY, you probably saved enough NOT buying the EVGA equivalent to get 3 of these Power thingies from EVGA. lololololololol. For those (MOST) that will never need it.... they simply saved money
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Sean
 

PuffY

only plate evga stepped up too is the dinner plate! YuM

+ a million. LOLOLOLOL
I bet ASUS and others are 'kicking' themselves at not being able to get in on this "WASTED" money Marketing gimmick for most Board owners.

Everyone get back on topic. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

shdbcamping

Let me try this another way:

1) It is not the voltage draw that will melt the PSU to MOBO 24 pin plug. Are we all agreed on that?
2) Current WILL melt the 24 pin plug. Are we still agreeing?
3) The PSU attempts to provide a described voltage to a given electrical circuit. Are we still together on this one?
4) Given Ohm's Law (V=I*R). Hope we're all OK with that.
5) As the Number of applied cards increases the R of the PCIe Bus circuit changes. Still there?
6) As Power draw increases in a circuit, the resistance drops. Up heat down resistance. Unfortunately an electrical fact. Power is a different class, if you do not understand it, get some electrical courses under your belt.
7) The PSU's job is to keep voltage constant. Still agreeing?
8) Current on the circuit therefore must be adjusted to maintain the desired Voltage as it is the variable to getting the desired Volts. Still there?
9) Going back to Ohm's law, Current will go up as the PCIe bus demand (R) is increased. Still with me?
10) You make the plug Amp problem go away by providing 'another' input circuit for the Voltage therefore lowering the current draw at the 24 pin plug. Problems yet?
11) If the PSU cannot maintain a voltage, the Amps are decreased as well for a given resistance (Power draw). this will be the point where simple GPU/system instabilitywill occur. So you see... the voltage on the PCIe bus is a function of the PSU. If one cannot keep the voltage, one should get another PSU with more amps on the 12V rail that will be feeding the BUS OR a different MOBO that does not have anything other than the PCIe bus on the circuit.
12) If the PSU is strong enough and fast enough to keep adjusting amps on a given Rail, the Voltage measured will remain constant. for the circuit. This is the problem with the 24 pin plug burning. The AMPS passing through the 24 pin plug outgrew the circuit ability to handle the heat, which is a byproduct of electrical work. This is why they added another 12V input to the circuit. It will do absolutely nothing for the system other than decrease the current through the 24 pin Pllug and thus avoid the melting problem.

In closing, EVGA should be able to look at each of the "affected" MOBO's and determine at what Wattage the PCIe bus should be supplemented. I understand that the GPU owner overclocking will affect these wattages. Burn up a "classy" and then drop the measured (to induce failure) wattage recommendation 25% or some other EVGA choice and then post it. That way the consumer won't be wasting their money on a lot of paranoia.

IMO, that's what a "Classy" vendor would do for it's customers.

As always YMMV.
Sean

 
so are you saying its the psu's issues causing these problems or did i miss something?

Kanti

I'm a little late to the party and have been skimming through this thread.  What exactly is the "problem" this "booster" fixes?  PCI slots is hot real estate in my case and having to sacrifice one is painful.

This is an issue that affects ONLY the E758,E759 and E760 boards AFAIK with the possible inclusion of the E761. The E761 is because I seem to recall an offering without Supplemental power for the PCIe bus. CMIIW and then shoot me.
 
It is as well a very isolated problem with graphics cards, but if you are loading the Bus down with anything this could apply. See my explanation just up a bit.
 
Sean