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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 10:00:55 (permalink)
So I read that the lower asic quality cards are better for water cooling? Is this true?
 
Also the only water block available is the Bitspower 980 KPE Block? Will the EK block work?
 
Thanks
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 10:49:14 (permalink)
Hi ! I think its not a good idea to post there. But because I dont have enough post for trade section so I posts here.
I see some one is selling a pair of 980 ti kingpin 72% for 1600$ . Its is 100$ saving per a card . Is this a good deal? Because I see 980ti lightning are in stock today at newegg just 800$ . But I am still a fan of evga anyway . I really want a pair of 980ti kingpin but my budget just 1500$ maximum  

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 10:55:15 (permalink)
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So I read that the lower asic quality cards are better for water cooling? Is this true?
 
Also the only water block available is the Bitspower 980 KPE Block? Will the EK block work?
 
Thanks


No.. The EK 980 K|ngp|n block is NOT compatible with the 980ti K|ngp|n.  If Bitspower is listing it as compatible, I would be weary of being the one that finds out they are wrong.
 
Also, the Memory for the 980 block only cover half of the memory modules.. Why buy something that is only half good. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 10:55:40 (permalink)
I can't believe what I am reading on here if you go over to this post on page 2 [980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much] Vince Kingpin posted and gave us the link where he wanted us to load the Bios from. He had the same problems running tests on air he fixed it and said we could getting anywhere from 1550 to 1570 on this set up.
Do I need to remind some that he designed and built this card based on EVGA's foundation? This is his baby I think he has a handle on it
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 10:58:39 (permalink)
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i recently sent a support ticket in asking for the easy load bios (.exe) files.
i was told they are not available yet 
that was as of 9/8/15 




Go over to page 2 of 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much look though it you will find a link to get the Bios. Vince Kingpin posted himself.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:04:13 (permalink)
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I asked this question a few times earlier in this thread and I am also waiting to hear back from EVGA (called them 8/31/15) in regard's to what would cause this.

Anyone know what the red light on the right side of the card in between the kingpin logo on the back plate and the voltage switches indicates ? It only comes on at random times (some times after a driver crash) and needs a complete shut down to get it to turn off.
Both of my cards have had this light come on, regardless of which PCE slot they are in.

I never noticed the light before on my 980 kpe, but with the Ti's it has happened since day one. Earlier today when the red light came on with the top card it also changed all of the led's to the default white, then started to blink off and on.

I have tried four different driver's, PX installed and uninstalled with no change. I am not sure if this is an issue or not, just want to know what this light is for. Also does not seem to be linked with the LED flicker that happens every so often, my none Ti kpe did this as well.
 
When running in SLI the light will come on when the top card hit's 80C no matter what, which is hard to make happen lol. But when running each card single they will both do it regardless of temps, max is about 67C.
 
EDIT: 980TiKP_XOC.rom bios did not fix the led flickering or the mystery red light.  Also the driver will crash once the red light comes on and I exit the software.
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The red light your talking about is an indicator that is related to PCB temperature monitoring. Just ignore it. Its essentially monitoring pcb temps and when the heater is enabled, there are handshakes between the two. The LED reset that happens on your card is related to this and can happen if the card exceeds 70C.

The LED reset that happens randomly on some cards like u are describing is a minor FW issue with some of the first cards that were released. Tin will post a ez DIY fix for this at KPC sometime next week FYI    

On a side note, the PCB heater function ABSOLUTELY CANNOT power on without removing the cooler and making the proper hard mods to the 980ti kp pcb. We did this for a specific reason, as to make it impossible for the heater to turn on unintentionally.


I forgot about that sentence. Vince said there will be a fix this week sometime for the LED flickering.
 
Also I did try reflashing the factory bios and the 980TiKP_XOC.rom and it did not fix the issue with the LED's for me.




It wasn't meant to fix that it was meant to fix the problem with not being able to clock over 1520 and the display problems people are having.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:10:17 (permalink)
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So I read that the lower asic quality cards are better for water cooling? Is this true?
 
Also the only water block available is the Bitspower 980 KPE Block? Will the EK block work?
 
Thanks




I think it was the lower ASIC ones for air and the higher ASIC ones for water cooling. That was the reason I bought 2 of the 75% cards.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:21:02 (permalink)
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So I read that the lower asic quality cards are better for water cooling? Is this true?
 
Also the only water block available is the Bitspower 980 KPE Block? Will the EK block work?
 
Thanks




I think it was the lower ASIC ones for air and the higher ASIC ones for water cooling. That was the reason I bought 2 of the 75% cards.




After some research I found the 74% card ( 3rd tier card ) is recommended for water. Now if I can find a good water block I'm in for one.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:27:40 (permalink)
air or water, it dont matter ,,,,,,ITS STILL AMBIENT!
 
go for the 80+  like the man says!
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:27:54 (permalink)
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So I read that the lower asic quality cards are better for water cooling? Is this true?
 
Also the only water block available is the Bitspower 980 KPE Block? Will the EK block work?
 
Thanks


No.. The EK 980 K|ngp|n block is NOT compatible with the 980ti K|ngp|n.  If Bitspower is listing it as compatible, I would be weary of being the one that finds out they are wrong.
 
Also, the Memory for the 980 block only cover half of the memory modules.. Why buy something that is only half good. 




I read on Kingpincooling.com that the  Bitspower 980 kpe block is almost compatible in that some memory do not make contact to the block due to difference in design but the reviewer said it wasn't a big deal and still was able to install it..
 
FWIW EVGA: No Paypal checkout! WTH?? Guess no 980 Ti KPE for me. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:31:54 (permalink)
but there ,all good!
get whatever you can afford
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:33:09 (permalink)
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So I read that the lower asic quality cards are better for water cooling? Is this true?
 
Also the only water block available is the Bitspower 980 KPE Block? Will the EK block work?
 
Thanks


No.. The EK 980 K|ngp|n block is NOT compatible with the 980ti K|ngp|n.  If Bitspower is listing it as compatible, I would be weary of being the one that finds out they are wrong.
 
Also, the Memory for the 980 block only cover half of the memory modules.. Why buy something that is only half good. 




I read on Kingpincooling.com that the  Bitspower 980 kpe block is almost compatible in that some memory do not make contact to the block due to difference in design but the reviewer said it wasn't a big deal and still was able to install it..
 
FWIW EVGA: No Paypal checkout! WTH?? Guess no 980 Ti KPE for me. 
 
 




 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:41:12 (permalink)
Yeah but Newegg has only the 72 % Asic card. I'm sure it doesn't make a difference anyhow for just 2%. Wonder if theres a step up program for the Asic levels?
 
Just read the Asic levels on my old 780 SSC cards. One is at 81.4 % and the other at 68%. Talk about a wide gap! 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:47:46 (permalink)
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I read on Kingpincooling.com that the  Bitspower 980 kpe block is almost compatible in that some memory do not make contact to the block due to difference in design but the reviewer said it wasn't a big deal and still was able to install it..
 
FWIW EVGA: No Paypal checkout! WTH?? Guess no 980 Ti KPE for me. 




I see the article you are speaking of.  if you want to use the Bitspower, go for it.  The EK block is in production right now.  You haven't ordered your card yet, so there shouldn't be a rush on it.
 
 
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Yeah but Newegg has only the 72 % Asic card. I'm sure it doesn't make a difference anyhow for just 2%. Wonder if theres a step up program for the Asic levels?
 
Just read the Asic levels on my old 780 SSC cards. One is at 81.4 % and the other at 68%. Talk about a wide gap! 


 
980ti reference is the ONLY step-up card.  If your card is bad, read the RMA agreement... you can't even pull the "my card doesn't work" game and try to "upgrade" asics..: 
 
"In the case where a card from the same ASIC level cannot be located to fulfill your RMA, your card will be replaced with the next available card in ASIC Tier below the one purchased originally, and you will be automatically credited the difference in price between the tiers in the form of EVGA Bucks."
 
If you are going to buy one, I would suggest reading the full rma policy.  It is very short.
 
http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/980-Ti-KINGPIN/
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 11:50:44 (permalink)
i think,,, <-just me
asic only gives you a better chance of getting a better card,
 with what little testing i have done so far,
you need to be able to control the voltage and vdroop,
lower voltage with little or no droop = higher clocks
my 75.2 does its best at 1.20v gpu and 1.6875* on memory <-edit
asic will change the voltages but 
they will all get about the same scores, at ambient, it wont matter much
 
you can use the s/w tool but its much better to control it with an evbot
as soon as i got the voltage to stay where i wanted it, i got above 1565 pretty easy
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 18:30:08 (permalink)
Flashing the VGA bios is a very simple procedure that I would assume anyone buying a hardcore enthusiast card like KPE ought to be able to do without issues. If you don't know how, learn to. Its very easy and is required to get the most out of this card or any other KPE cards. The card has three bios positions for a reason :)
Performance improvements, improved functionality, and driver/bug fixes are a key point of firmware upgrades such as a bios flash, that is for your benefit.
Again the LED flickering happens when the temperature exceeds 70C. It is extremely minor and has no effect on other functionality of the card. It's only on some of the first cards that were made anyways. Tin will post a DIY fix that corrects it, think later today at kingpincooling.com forums.

 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 18:39:52 (permalink)
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Flashing the VGA bios is a very simple procedure that I would assume anyone buying a hardcore enthusiast card like KPE ought to be able to do without issues. If you don't know how, learn to. Its very easy and is required to get the most out of this card or any other KPE cards. The card has three bios positions for a reason :)
Performance improvements, improved functionality, and driver/bug fixes are a key point of firmware upgrades such as a bios flash, that is for your benefit.
Again the LED flickering happens when the temperature exceeds 70C. It is extremely minor and has no effect on other functionality of the card. It's only on some of the first cards that were made anyways. Tin will post a DIY fix that corrects it, think later today at kingpincooling.com forums.


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Flashing the VGA bios is a very simple procedure that I would assume anyone buying a hardcore enthusiast card like KPE ought to be able to do without issues. If you don't know how, learn to. Its very easy and is required to get the most out of this card or any other KPE cards. The card has three bios positions for a reason :)
Performance improvements, improved functionality, and driver/bug fixes are a key point of firmware upgrades such as a bios flash, that is for your benefit.
Again the LED flickering happens when the temperature exceeds 70C. It is extremely minor and has no effect on other functionality of the card. It's only on some of the first cards that were made anyways. Tin will post a DIY fix that corrects it, think later today at kingpincooling.com forums.





 
Thanks for taking the time out to help.
 I'm sure your very bizzy.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 19:03:11 (permalink)
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I'm surprised and never considered do that with any of the three kp cards. Always want to give you guys the BEST card possible period. Promoting/overclocking something different than what you can buy is not what I want to do here with this card, in fact the opposite. Gotta wait for official spec before its fact, just hearsay until then. We'll see..




 
That's why even if i never buy a KPE card, I will always buy EVGA.  What you use, we can buy.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 19:06:58 (permalink)
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Flashing the VGA bios is a very simple procedure that I would assume anyone buying a hardcore enthusiast card like KPE ought to be able to do without issues. If you don't know how, learn to. Its very easy and is required to get the most out of this card or any other KPE cards. The card has three bios positions for a reason :)
Performance improvements, improved functionality, and driver/bug fixes are a key point of firmware upgrades such as a bios flash, that is for your benefit.
Again the LED flickering happens when the temperature exceeds 70C. It is extremely minor and has no effect on other functionality of the card. It's only on some of the first cards that were made anyways. Tin will post a DIY fix that corrects it, think later today at kingpincooling.com forums.




Agreed.  I'm a n00b at high-performance PCs, and I managed to reflash a BIOS onto the LN2 mode on my 780 Ti Classy.  One question I have about the KPEs is: if I'm interested in reliability and a 1500 OC, (not going for WRs here, but maybe a nice OC and very stable power), what should I do?  74% ASIC, Classy, or FTW?
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 19:46:20 (permalink)
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Agreed.  I'm a n00b at high-performance PCs, and I managed to reflash a BIOS onto the LN2 mode on my 780 Ti Classy.  One question I have about the KPEs is: if I'm interested in reliability and a 1500 OC, (not going for WRs here, but maybe a nice OC and very stable power), what should I do?  74% ASIC, Classy, or FTW?
 
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On air, the classy and the ftw should perform nearly the same. We will honestly Ave to wait for knowledgeable people to grab the ftw and post their normal overclocks so we can see what they get. Currently it is still very new.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/13 19:57:54 (permalink)
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i recently sent a support ticket in asking for the easy load bios (.exe) files.
i was told they are not available yet 
that was as of 9/8/15 




Go over to page 2 of 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much look though it you will find a link to get the Bios. Vince Kingpin posted himself.


sorry, missed your post, 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/14 18:16:59 (permalink)
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i recently sent a support ticket in asking for the easy load bios (.exe) files.
i was told they are not available yet 
that was as of 9/8/15 




Go over to page 2 of 980 Ti Kingpin SLI won't overclock much look though it you will find a link to get the Bios. Vince Kingpin posted himself.


sorry, missed your post, 
 
yeah i got that, the one i was referring to was for someone else was asking for it                      




Did it help at all?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/14 23:54:58 (permalink)
Is there any news about that fix for the LED flashing that happens randomly? It was supposed to be published in the KPC forums yesterday. Can't find it though.
 
Edit: Alright, now it's online: http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31032&postcount=176
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 01:12:14 (permalink)
A bit of a unrelated question but I one of my systems I am running a 5960x with three 980ti KPE. I want to use the custom bios and try to overclock it as much as possible with watercooling. I bought a 2000W PSU but the fan inside of that one is driving me crazy.

Could I get away with the AX1500i powering the kingpins, the CPU and my waterloop with everything overclocked as much as I can or do I need more? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 01:33:03 (permalink)
You have Super Flower 2KW?
If fan on him spin so fast probably situation will be similar or even worse with AX1500i.
 
People use usually 2 PSU for such configurations.
If you plan to use custom BIOS and more voltage 3x KP will need more power than four graphic cards in 4way SLI.
That would be hard task... to work everything together, on one PSU and to stay relatively silent.
For 2KW really need to be proper installation in house, no joking with that, scary for one plug...
 
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https://xdevs.com/guide/2080ti_kpe/#intro
https://www.evga.com/articles/01386/evga-sr-3-dark/
 
 
 

 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 01:42:50 (permalink)
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You have Super Flower 2KW?
If fan on him spin so fast probably situation will be similar or even worse with AX1500i.
 
People use usually 2 PSU for such configurations.
If you plan to use custom BIOS and more voltage 3x KP will need more power than four graphic cards in 4way SLI.
That would be hard task... to work everything together, on one PSU and to stay relatively silent.
For 2KW really need to be proper installation in house, no joking with that, scary for one plug...
 




Yeah got the Superflower 2k. The thing is that I don't mind the noise at all when it's needed. This one has the fan on at what I think is crazy speed even at idle pulling 100w from the wall. Putting my hand near the PSU fan it feels more like a high performance case fan than a PSU fan. It's so loud I can hear the fan from the next room. It's a no go indeed. 
When I game or benchmark I don't mind the noise but this is silly. 
 
The socket in the wall is good. Can pull 2k no problem but I'm not sure if I need more then 1500w. This rig will be for gaming. So the overclocks will be stable for gaming but it's still a lot of power. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 04:13:17 (permalink)
If you have a modded BIOS on the three KPE cards, even a Superflower 2K may not be enough.  The "Normal" LN2 BIOS on each KPE GPU allows for up to a 170% power target on its own.  Going beyond this, ie: using a BIOS from Kingpin's website, could allow even higher power targets.  If my memory serves me, a fully-unlocked KPE can handle somewhere around 1,200w of power when under LN2.  Even if you're only under water and you're only having each card pull 500w, that's still a potential total of 1,500w before taking into account other things such as an OC'D 5960x, RAM, SSD, and other components.   What you may want to do is get dual 1600 T2s and have them work together, or even dual 2000s so that you have even more headroom in the event you want to add a 4th KPE.
 
tl;dr: I agree with Vlada.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 05:09:08 (permalink)
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A bit of a unrelated question but I one of my systems I am running a 5960x with three 980ti KPE. I want to use the custom bios and try to overclock it as much as possible with watercooling. I bought a 2000W PSU but the fan inside of that one is driving me crazy.

Could I get away with the AX1500i powering the kingpins, the CPU and my waterloop with everything overclocked as much as I can or do I need more? 


This will not apply to you, but just so you have an idea what a 980ti K|ngp|n can pull for wattage.

Vince "K|ngp|n" was pulling 1500w with one card at 1.79v and 2.02ghz. Nothing else attached to the power supply, just the gpu. He had a 1600t2 running the motherboard :-)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 05:38:39 (permalink)
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A bit of a unrelated question but I one of my systems I am running a 5960x with three 980ti KPE. I want to use the custom bios and try to overclock it as much as possible with watercooling. I bought a 2000W PSU but the fan inside of that one is driving me crazy.

Could I get away with the AX1500i powering the kingpins, the CPU and my waterloop with everything overclocked as much as I can or do I need more? 


This will not apply to you, but just so you have an idea what a 980ti K|ngp|n can pull for wattage.

Vince "K|ngp|n" was pulling 1500w with one card at 1.79v and 2.02ghz. Nothing else attached to the power supply, just the gpu. He had a 1600t2 running the motherboard :-)



Yup.  You really don't want something that can potentially kill a 1600 T2 to be bios-modded and oc'd on a single PSU.  (Unless you're stupid like me and put it in a small case and never really OC it)

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N 2015/09/24 06:28:44 (permalink)
Okey thanks guys! So you think I could pull all that power with the watercooling alone? In that case I might go for dual PSU as long as the damn fans are silent when not under load. The 2k PSU is waaay to loud at idle. It's a pitty I bought 3 of them. If anyone in the EU wants one let me know :) 
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