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I'm not sure if this is a dumb question or not because I've been asking it for a week now and searching with either no one answering or people down voting my question. There seems to be DDR4 ram with ECC support. But I haven't yet seen a single z170 or h170 or q170 (Sorry there aren't many q170 boards now and that might end up being the answer) that has support for ECC. Is this a feature of the Chipset at all? Or is it a motherboard feature that needs to be simply built in by the manufacturer like EVGA? With hacks out there like RowHammer is DDR4 immune to this? Or is there some new underlying mechanism that works exactly the same as ECC did so it's no longer needed to do the same thing on a Z170 motherboard with DDR4?
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/06 14:58:49
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Hello JackTyre and welcome to our forums. Basically speaking, ECC memory as you're probably aware is meant more for server grade systems where it is imperative to have data integrity. Keep in mind that ECC is mostly incorporated into the CPU's memory controller and included primarily in Xeon processors. You may want to consider the X99 platform since it does have support for a various intel Xeon CPUs.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/17 19:43:12
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Hello JackTyre and welcome to our forums. Basically speaking, ECC memory as you're probably aware is meant more for server grade systems where it is imperative to have data integrity. Keep in mind that ECC is mostly incorporated into the CPU's memory controller and included primarily in Xeon processors. You may want to consider the X99 platform since it does have support for a various intel Xeon CPUs.
Try looking at the new skylake processors that support ECC memory: crap - links disabled. Even the Pentium processors support ECC! Most of the desktop processors support ECC memory (Pentium-i3 v6) This one looks particularly nice because of it's low price, hyper-threading, and low thermal/power: Intel® Core™ i3-6100T Processor As noted on that processor's page: ecc memory requires chipset support, yet when you look at Intel's chipset page for the Z107 it says NOTHING beyond the fact that it support dual-channel memory (..which most are): Others like Gigabyte and MSI are saying: supports Unbuffered ECC memory, but only as NON-ECC memory. Why? It seems to me that 1151 motherboards should most certainly support ECC memory, even if only Unbuffered/Un-registered. I've been searching this issue like a "dog" and have come up with squat. (..of course the CPU's aren't even out for sale quite yet:9/17/2015) ..and yes, Xenon's will "do it" but at a high price. Because the new Skylake desktop processors support it - so should the new motherboards. Home consumers will most certainly have an interest - particularly for cheap servers/routers, stuff that needs to be "on" 24/7, but don't need to be professional-grade Xenon. Another use is with large software RAM drives for "chunky" applications like Photoshop or CAD's. The only low-power affordable designs I've seen that support ECC are the older Atoms, and they don't have several of the better security features that the new Skylakes have, and especially Intel's VT-d for hardware binding to lan ports (..which is pretty much a must-have for security).
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/17 21:26:49
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it's still early in this product life cycle.
they've released two processors that are aimed at overclockers/enthusiast/gamers. you're not going to bother with ECC in those setups.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/18 09:32:11
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The 1151 motherboards are "out" now. (..this despite there only being 2 consumer CPU's currently being sold.)
At this point I seriously doubt that real ECC support will be available for ANY 1151 cpu (..beyond OEM's like NAS-makers Synology). I'm pretty sure Intel has an agreement with motherboard manufacturers to NOT support ECC. IF this is the case, then Motherboard manufacturers should just stop marketing that their boards "support ECC unbuffered memory" (..even if they provide a caveat that they aren't ECC), at best its just going to confuse consumers.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/18 10:53:44
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Nope! No ECC for anyone evar!
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/19 16:51:46
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ECC is not supported with the Skylake processors
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/21 20:42:36
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You need to look at Intel's website a bit more carefully. copy and paste to a new browser tab: ark.intel.com/products/codename/37572/Skylake start with the Pentium 4400T, and then move-on down the list: most of them support ECC (..until you get to the i5).
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/22 03:46:57
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There are only 2 processors for the Z170 platform, most of those older processors will not fit More will come out when they platform matures over the next year or so
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/22 11:40:39
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All those with pricing on that page I referenced should be "out" within about 4 weeks. (..the Asian market already has many of them, whereas the North American market got the "K" grade earlier - those 2 processors I mentioned previously.)
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/22 12:09:39
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so you'd be down with wasting money on ECC memory for a bargain bin i3 processor with two cores? cause that's the only thing that says ECC yes on that list except for the xeons which take a different socket looks like. none of the i5's or i7's says ECC yes.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/22 13:50:09
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Keep in mind there will be a B170 and H170 for the lower cost SKUs of the Skylake platform. This is why my page on Skylake only lists 2 CPU choices.
I will be updating the page with new processors as they become available for the Z170, I do not have a page for the B170 or H170 which are not widely sold in major markets
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/22 21:09:29
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so you'd be down with wasting money on ECC memory for a bargain bin i3 processor with two cores? cause that's the only thing that says ECC yes on that list except for the xeons which take a different socket looks like. none of the i5's or i7's says ECC yes.
4 virtual cores. $120. 35 watts WITH the 60% area of the graphics - which wouldn't be used. I'm guessing 3 virtual machines running "light-duty" wouldn't even hit 15 watts (average). -and it has vt-d. (..the 22nm Avaton Atoms don't.) This and the low power is more critical to me than the ECC, but I'd very much like to have the ECC memory as well - and I'd be willing to pay almost double in un-buffered ECC RAM vs. standard RAM (..that's of course IF it was being run as ECC memory). -with 3 VM's running all the time, I don't think that would be a "waste" of money at all to ensure stability of the VM's running on it, particularly if one or more is operating in a RAM drive.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/22 21:16:08
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Keep in mind there will be a B150 and H170 for the lower cost SKUs of the Skylake platform. This is why my page on Skylake only lists 2 CPU choices.
I will be updating the page with new processors as they become available for the Z170, I do not have a page for the B150 or H170 which are not widely sold in major markets
There are already motherboards with the B150 and H170 chipsets. No "joy" there either (..at least from looking at their manuals and websites). MSI's were the most promising, but again - no "joy" when talking to Co. rep.s at MSI. ..sure, there will still be more motherboards with 1151 to come - but at this point I seriously doubt any will truly work with ECC as ECC.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 03:08:49
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I think Intel is wanting to upsell ECC to the server market and the i7 and i5 4etc the lower levels of the markets
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 05:33:22
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4 virtual cores. $120. 35 watts WITH the 60% area of the graphics - which wouldn't be used. I'm guessing 3 virtual machines running "light-duty" wouldn't even hit 15 watts (average).
-and it has vt-d. (..the 22nm Avaton Atoms don't.) This and the low power is more critical to me than the ECC, but I'd very much like to have the ECC memory as well - and I'd be willing to pay almost double in un-buffered ECC RAM vs. standard RAM (..that's of course IF it was being run as ECC memory).
-with 3 VM's running all the time, I don't think that would be a "waste" of money at all to ensure stability of the VM's running on it, particularly if one or more is operating in a RAM drive. I'd just wait for that E3-1505L v5 then.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 05:36:23
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Using the AMD AM3+ platform all support Hyper-V if you need to run virtual machines for whatever purpose
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 10:27:10
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I'd just wait for that E3-1505L v5 then.
..it's a new Xeon. It will be more than twice the price, as will the required motherboard. Really what I was hoping for was a refresh to the 14nm process of the Atom with vt-d and a few other security features. (..supermicro has Atom cpu+m-board solutions starting at about $250, but again - no vt-d.) The other solution is an old AMD AM3+ base, with something as low as 65 watts for an Opteron, but its 65 watts isn't thermal efficient - it requires better cooling.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 10:31:22
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I think Intel is wanting to upsell ECC to the server market and the i7 and i5 4etc the lower levels of the markets
Quite possibly. My guess is that the ECC is only there for OEM's (with the right to use a cheap chipset and actually integrate it properly into the bios) - the cheaper NAS business (..or pro routers).
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 12:11:41
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I use AMD because it does not piss me off when the machine needs too do more than gaming. AM2 and above all support second level addressing which is needed for Hyper-V etc.
Intel wants people to pay more for servers than I believe is necessary
Motherboards are more of a problem than AMD processors. Seems that Asus boards have a rather poor outcome in my shop. RMA is a joke, so I take my $ elsewhere.
EVGA gave me a new BIOS for my old GTX 660 Ti so I could use Windows 10 fast boot with UEFI and boot a bigger disk
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 12:40:27
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..If it weren't for the power/thermal of the 8 core opteron, I'd choose that for this task (..even though the cores have a much lower freq. - which doesn't bother me.) Everything else about it is good-to-excellent. Lower price (about $270 for cpu and m-board), IOMMU, a lot more real cores, ECC support (depending on m-board), etc.. Even DDR3 unbuffered ECC is only about a $60 total increase (4x8 gig) over DDR 4 standard memory. The intel skylake solution I'm looking at will be less, but not a lot less - and no ECC. Oddly, the hottest thing in the case will almost certainly be a 10gb nic.
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 13:29:52
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The boards on my roundup are all gigabit, need PCIe x8 for 10 gigabit
Skylake does not have nearly enough lanes
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards.
2015/09/23 20:02:13
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Yeah, it will only support one 10gb card (..and crap on any chance of a decent video card, though not needed). After that almost every board at a decent price is 1 at x4, 2 at x1, and maybe a pci or 2. (..and one on-board gig nic.) When you get into the SLI boards you usually get 2 at x8 and 1 at x4. At about $140 the GA-Z170XP-SLI has that (along with a Thunderbolt expansion, that probably "digs" into pcie lanes). I'm still not quite sure just how vt-d allocates the lanes in respect to a multi-port nic. More reading for me.. "yeah!".
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Re: ECC support on Z170 motherboards; kind of found one
2015/11/20 10:45:35
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JackTyre
I'm not sure if this is a dumb question or not because I've been asking it for a week now and searching with either no one answering or people down voting my question. There seems to be DDR4 ram with ECC support. But I haven't yet seen a single z170 or h170 or q170 (Sorry there aren't many q170 boards now and that might end up being the answer) that has support for ECC. Is this a feature of the Chipset at all? Or is it a motherboard feature that needs to be simply built in by the manufacturer like EVGA? With hacks out there like RowHammer is DDR4 immune to this? Or is there some new underlying mechanism that works exactly the same as ECC did so it's no longer needed to do the same thing on a Z170 motherboard with DDR4?
Today I found the Gigabyte GA Z170M-D3H. They list ECC support and even have a memory list with dd4 2133mhz Ecc modules listed! But unfortunately, they say the ECC will be running as non-ECC. But it does make me wonder if they could/will be able to enable ECC through a bios update. I also wonder whether it is Intel who says they are not allowed to enable it?? Has anyone got any updates on this or found definite support that is also activated for ECC? As the Skylake 6100 would be perfect to paid up with a Samsung EVO SSD, as you can enable Rapid, but with ECC, would not be so troubled by errors in ram!!
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