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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/08 22:12:07 (permalink)
they charge a restocking fee on upgrading to ram that works..wth!

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/08 22:26:13 (permalink)
Yeah and you would think that a tech should know if a set of ram won't work with a specific motherboard? When I went in today I was basically ready to just buy a new set whether I could return mine or not. Glad it worked though, if your having problems definitely give corsair a try.
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/09 01:40:59 (permalink)
Hi guys and thanks a LOT to GhostImage for starting this Thread...as many people are facing this issue - RAM getting lost for some reason, and I presume mainly upon COLD booting. even I had the same issue but I wasn't able to try your method ghost...coz I just sent my kits under RMA (Corsair Dominator 3x2GB TR3X6G1600C7D). But I did try several times overclocking, underclocking, loosening the timings, 2:6 ratio didn't work at all for my kits, default clocking and voltage settings (QPI, IOH, VTT, VDIMM, et al) and what not - but the issue always popped back upon cold booting. So I put my Kingston KVR1333D3N9K3/6G kits in my computer (at this point, keep in mind that I haven't requested for any RMA's) and did the same cycle-test stated above. And everytime I cold booted which is approximately after 8-9 hours, and never had any problem. I tested this for 2-3 days. and still have no problems!!! So I am not sure what to say...except if any of you have a spare kits to test that would be the best option. also i will definitely TRY your settings Ghost but after I get my replacement kits...and will keep you guys posted!!

I think this thread was MUCH needed after so many similar issues popping consistently in this forum!!

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/09 05:35:11 (permalink)
I'm still having the same issue with missing ram.  I have 8GB of 12GB showing of the mushkin model below.  I have upped voltages, changed timings, and it's still upset.  The voltages are within the spec of 3.75 VTT(+125) and 1.65 (1.71 actual DIMM volts).  Using the lastest 760's J bios.  I've used bios scorched earth vanilla defaults with just the ram timings set.  No joy and I've noticed it doesn't even boot now with 12GB(With the new bios).  It'll boot with 6 in the red sockets.  So that's fun.

I'm glad you got your ram to detect Beeker.  I'm next going to reseat the cpu.  I've already reseated the memory 10 times, so odds are I've tagged the cpu during those gyrations.

It seems that the ram bank closest to the cpu isn't being detected consistently.  If a cpu reseat doesn't  remedy the situation I'm going to start going socket by socket to see if it picks up.  And if that doesn't work, I'll rma the motherboard.  I've already rma'd the ram.

Such a nice expensive setup and then you see this massive pile a dogsh|t you get to step in at every bios revision.  No XMP profiles with this motherboard last I checked.  OK, enough self-pity.  I'm gonna get some coffee and ignore this for awhile.  

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/10 16:05:18 (permalink)
xspectrev2

I had posted on the same topic a few days back, and finally found out what the problem was. The x58 sli le (my motherboard) doesnt support certain types of ram, and the patriot viper @1333Mhz happened to be one of those. So no matter what settings I changed, it would still only have 3.99gb usable out of 6gb. Went back to tiger, swapped them out for a corsair platinum and they booted first attempt with all memory usable :). Btw Tiger does offer a 14day return policy on everything, they might charge a restocking fee though, mine was like 4$.


johnksss

they charge a restocking fee on upgrading to ram that works..wth!


Thats sad. But when ever you buying online you have to read retailers return policy. Most of the companies charge restocking fee, and you have to pay for shipping, even if the product is defective. :( Look around. I usually try to get things from Amazon. Prices are a bit higher than on newegg for example but you cant beat their return policy. Submit a claim, get RMA, print the label, an you good to go. I never lost a dollar. I pay one price and get what i want. Somtimes I just return Defective product for 100% refund and  at the same time order same product. That way I don't loose time. (Get new product next day). So read the return policy. Sometimes good policy worth 10$ difference in price.

mudvari

Hi guys and thanks a LOT to GhostImage for starting this Thread...as many people are facing this issue - RAM getting lost for some reason, and I presume mainly upon COLD booting. even I had the same issue but I wasn't able to try your method ghost...coz I just sent my kits under RMA (Corsair Dominator 3x2GB TR3X6G1600C7D). But I did try several times overclocking, underclocking, loosening the timings, 2:6 ratio didn't work at all for my kits, default clocking and voltage settings (QPI, IOH, VTT, VDIMM, et al) and what not - but the issue always popped back upon cold booting. So I put my Kingston KVR1333D3N9K3/6G kits in my computer (at this point, keep in mind that I haven't requested for any RMA's) and did the same cycle-test stated above. And everytime I cold booted which is approximately after 8-9 hours, and never had any problem. I tested this for 2-3 days. and still have no problems!!! So I am not sure what to say...except if any of you have a spare kits to test that would be the best option. also i will definitely TRY your settings Ghost but after I get my replacement kits...and will keep you guys posted!!

I think this thread was MUCH needed after so many similar issues popping consistently in this forum!!


Im glad that you found that thread useful. It is very true a lot of people have an Issue with Ram working at full capacity. And there are a lot of things that might go wrong. Just like shamino said we are overclocking. (anything above 1333 or 1066 is overclocking) and should be treated as such. Ive read somewhere that a lot of people having troubles with Triple  channel Ram. Keep in mind that MCH was introduced. There is a lot more going on on board. And Its rather raw technology. A lot to consider. Overclocking requires much more twiking. So dont get discouraged. Sometimes Ram is at fault. It takes a little while to go through all weak points.
However problem seems  quite common for X58 chipset. and Triple Ram in general, So we'll keep collecting data.
Definitely let us know how is you new ram gona behave. Thank you in advance.

EnochRoot

I'm still having the same issue with missing ram.  I have 8GB of 12GB showing of the mushkin model below.  I have upped voltages, changed timings, and it's still upset.  The voltages are within the spec of 3.75 VTT(+125) and 1.65 (1.71 actual DIMM volts).  Using the lastest 760's J bios.  I've used bios scorched earth vanilla defaults with just the ram timings set.  No joy and I've noticed it doesn't even boot now with 12GB(With the new bios).  It'll boot with 6 in the red sockets.  So that's fun.

I'm glad you got your ram to detect Beeker.  I'm next going to reseat the cpu.  I've already reseated the memory 10 times, so odds are I've tagged the cpu during those gyrations.

It seems that the ram bank closest to the cpu isn't being detected consistently.  If a cpu reseat doesn't  remedy the situation I'm going to start going socket by socket to see if it picks up.  And if that doesn't work, I'll rma the motherboard.  I've already rma'd the ram.

Such a nice expensive setup and then you see this massive pile a dogsh|t you get to step in at every bios revision.  No XMP profiles with this motherboard last I checked.  OK, enough self-pity.  I'm gonna get some coffee and ignore this for awhile.  


Hey man. I know how it feels. Can tell you right away. Dont let youself get upset because of bunch (expensive I know) equipment. Or you  gona have a Heart Attack early. :) One way or the other it will all come together.
You should check you Ram one stick at a time in the First red slot (closest to CPU) At stock settings (all auto) just set you ram timings and voltage to specs.
here is latest Memtest86+
http://www.memtest.org/download/4.00/memtest86+-4.00.iso.gz

If it all passes put all your 12gb in and boot. In windows Run Prime 95

http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=205

If pass get in bios set you QPI to 160 and chose 2:10 ratio, Chose lowest CPU speed alowed Turn turbo off (It takes VTT +150 for my ram to run at 1600mhz) Losen timing I was talking about in the beginning of the thread. 12gb of ram might need more  QPI PLL voltage then 6gb. all the way to 1.4v Again Mine works at 1.325v anything lower results at missing Ram. But it took 1.375 for Breakerbox to get his at 1600mhz, It has a lot to do with what QPI you are running 160 might work with (auto) but 200 will need 1.35 etc. I see that you are running your D0 at 4ghz (200 qpi?) 2:8 divider for RAM?
Id still would like to see your Bios Template, the one you having problems with. Keep us posted and dont loose you OC spirit. :)
Cheers 
post edited by GhostImage - 2010/03/01 13:57:29

 
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/13 03:51:33 (permalink)
I think this is as much of an X58 issue as it is a MB/Ram issue. I just pulled my new gigabyte x58a UD7 because i couldnt get the 12gb to concistently show up. every once in a while it would work, and it would normally work the best after a CPU reseat. It would go back to only showing 10gb in a day or two. Re-installed my classified and it worked great for a few hours, many differnt settings, then poof, 10gb just like the UD7. I'm using a TRUE 1366 with the stock mounting brackets. What cooler is everyone else using? It also happend to me with an ASUS. I was using 9gb and sometimes only 6gb would show. That was different memory and different cpu cooler. This is such a strange bug. So many different things that work for select people, but nothing concrete. There is no "Do This and it will for sure work" solution. X58 has been out long enough that you'd think the cause would be known by now. Here are a few links about the same exact issues with different boards. Some different solutions that may help some, hasnt really helped me. Maybe differnt RAM is next for me..... I dunno. It's driving me crazy though. I have about $1500 tied up in 2 motherboards and 12gb of ram. Frustrating!!!!
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/x58a-ud7-12gb-ram-problem-36516/

http://i4memory.com/f54/asus-x58-6-12gb-memory-overclocking-detecting-less-memory-than-installed-19200/
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/16 19:42:08 (permalink)
NUGZO

I think this is as much of an X58 issue as it is a MB/Ram issue. I just pulled my new gigabyte x58a UD7 because i couldnt get the 12gb to concistently show up. every once in a while it would work, and it would normally work the best after a CPU reseat. It would go back to only showing 10gb in a day or two. Re-installed my classified and it worked great for a few hours, many differnt settings, then poof, 10gb just like the UD7. I'm using a TRUE 1366 with the stock mounting brackets. What cooler is everyone else using? It also happend to me with an ASUS. I was using 9gb and sometimes only 6gb would show. That was different memory and different cpu cooler. This is such a strange bug. So many different things that work for select people, but nothing concrete. There is no "Do This and it will for sure work" solution. X58 has been out long enough that you'd think the cause would be known by now. Here are a few links about the same exact issues with different boards. Some different solutions that may help some, hasnt really helped me. Maybe differnt RAM is next for me..... I dunno. It's driving me crazy though. I have about $1500 tied up in 2 motherboards and 12gb of ram. Frustrating!!!!
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/x58a-ud7-12gb-ram-problem-36516/

http://i4memory.com/f54/asus-x58-6-12gb-memory-overclocking-detecting-less-memory-than-installed-19200/


Thank you for you input. I found your links helpful indeed. Some more things for me to try out. More testing.
    I might be wrong but It seams to me that ive seen more people having 12gb in their systems, where were only 6,. or maybe its just me. If any of you guys encounter similar problems please chip in, I would definitely appreciate it. So would many others.

 
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/16 19:53:16 (permalink)
GhostImage Thank you for you input. I found your links helpful indeed. Some more things for me to try out. More testing.
   I might be wrong but It seams to me that ive seen more people having 12gb in their systems, where were only 6,. or maybe its just me. If any of you guys encounter similar problems please chip in, I would definitely appreciate it. So would many others.
For me, so far, I can lose 3 of 12gb when I do a cold power on after being off all night. Not often, but enough that I try to remember to look before I start to do anything.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/16 20:11:55 (permalink)
 
For those with the disappearing ram, are u using aftermarket cooling? I am using a TRUE. Re-seating the CPU works for me everytime. Then i'm good for 24hours(OC) to 48hours(stock) then i lose 2gb...like clockwork.. no amount of voltages will bring it back.
Just got of off the phone with EVGA tech support. I dont know why i didnt think of trying this, but they suggested putting the stock cooler on to see if it still happens. They said the aftermarket fan, being too tight, causes the plastic that the cpu sits on in the socket to bow. They said when i re-seat the cpu, that gives the plastic time to cool and straighten out some. The reason it works for a day is because it takes time for the plastic to heat and bow enough to create the problem again. Makes sense. So i guess if this fixes it, then its an issue i should take up with thermalright? I see a new revision in the future....Hopefully. 

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/16 23:12:03 (permalink)
Hmm.. so these big heavy heatsinks that you need to overclock are what's causing the cpu to slide out of alignment.  Interesting.  I have the OEM heatsink myself.  I'll .. wait, the backplate.. well, I'll figure it out.  I'll see if the OEM cooler keeps the cpu aligned.  If so, I guess doing a lightly gently tightened aftermarket heatsink should come up roses.

We can't be the only people having this issue.  And why the hell is there heat warping plastic around the hottest part of the motherboard.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/16 23:23:19 (permalink)
I'm not sure how much help this will be but i just want to let you know my experience with this problem.

I have a EVGA x58 3x SLI 132-BL-E758-A1, Core i7 920 with 6 gigs of tri channel corsair XMS3 memory. All Stock settings and Voltages besides the memory which is at Rated Spec (8-8-8-24) 1.650v

The bios and windows showed that i only had 4 gigs out of the 6. In the bios it only displayed 4, and in windows it said i had 6 gigs with 3.99 available. Going into the resource monitor showed that the other 2 gigs were listed as Hardware Reserve.

I tested each ram stick 1 by 1 in each DIMM slot. 2 of the 3 worked in every slot and 1 stick wouldn't let my computer post no matter what slot it was in. So i had a bad ram stick.

I know this is pretty basic stuff but maybe it'll helps someone out there.
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/17 05:30:35 (permalink)
Thought I'd chime in to the missing RAM issue.

My issue is slightly different. Upon the first cold boot from a nights off, Windows and BIOS and everywhere else imaginable, shows a full SIX GB installed and usable RAM, however the rig will be unstable and BSOD or programs will crash.
If I reboot at this stage, then Windows will report 6 GB Installed (3.99 GB usable). And it'll still remain unstable.
If I do a full shutdown, and power up again, there is no issues what so ever for the next 16h or so under gaming, movie watching, firefox net surfing, all 6GB RAM available and stable ect.

The problem resumes the next day after a nights power off.

I found this interesting Anandtech article

The Great Heist

One of the most irritating problems we ran across during testing was playing “Where’s Waldo” with our memory configurations. Our standard P55 test bed is equipped with 8GB of memory. We started noticing weird memory benchmark results in Everest that just did not make sense as Read/Write rates were up 30% lower than our 4GB setup on the same board or other 8GB configurations. These along with applications like Photoshop CS4 x64 and AutoCad 2010 x64 refusing to recognize up to 4GB of memory had us searching for answers.

A look at the BIOS indicated 8GB was indeed available and applications from Everest to CPU-Z along with the suppliers own tuning tools indicated no problems. So we turned to Performance Monitor in Windows 7 to solve our dilemma. Sure, enough, in every case we would only see 4080MB~4096MB listed as available memory. We dug deeper in Resource Monitor and found that the BIOS hard reserved around 4.1GB of memory and it was not available to the OS. We also ran across the same problem on a few boards with 4GB of memory installed.

There are several reasons for this occurring. The primary reason is that the motherboard supplier did not program the BIOS correctly to automatically remap memory above the 4GB mark. In the AMI BIOS’ utilized by ASUS and ASRock, among others, there is a Memory Remapping option in the BIOS setup screen that needs to be enabled on early BIOS releases. Later BIOS releases automatically enable this feature if more than 4GB of memory is detected at POST. So the recommended solution is to update your BIOS to the latest release if this is a problem in your system.

That said, even after a round of BIOS updates from all the suppliers, we still had this problem occurring, just not as often. It also turns out that high Bclks with 8GB of memory installed will also trigger the problem. Even with memory remapping properly enabled, there is a chance this problem will still occur. Depending on the BIOS, it will simply ignore the additional two channels and continue to POST or it will not POST at all.

This problem depends on a Holy Trinity combination Memory, Motherboard, and Processor quality. If the board does not recognize the memory SPD correctly or if the SPD is wrong, it can happen, but primarily it seems to be processor or motherboard related. On the processor side, it seems especially prevalent with the i5/750 as the IMC tends to have trouble handling high memory clocks above 2100 with 8GB installed, it is not impossible, but our first retail samples are not fairing very well.

Why the i5/750? Mainly because of binning as our 860 would clock up to 2150 before problems arose and the 870 would hit 2200. Of course, this is a rare situation as anyone buying this platform would probably not spend $400 on high-end memory and overclock it at these levels. But, with us trying to find the practical limits on each board, it did cause a headache or two.

The primary problem is with the motherboard design. The majority of the P55 motherboards are built on either a 4-layer or 6-layer design. The 6-layer design has (obviously) to additional layers that can be utilized for electrical routing. On a 4-layer design, Channel A memory signal and clock signal are placed on the top layer and Channel B is placed on the bottom layer. In a 6-layer design, half of Channel A is placed on the top layer and other half on the bottom layer. Half of channel B is placed on inner layer 1 and the other half on inner layer 2. This significantly reduces crosstalk between each data Group. As such, the memory capabilities of the 6-layer board will greatly improve 8GB memory clocking above 2000MHz.

Once again, make sure you are on the latest BIOS and considering the early nature of this platform, stay current with a stable release for the next couple of months as any remaining bugs are squashed.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/18 00:55:07 (permalink)
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For those with the disappearing ram, are u using aftermarket cooling? I am using a TRUE. Re-seating the CPU works for me everytime. Then i'm good for 24hours(OC) to 48hours(stock) then i lose 2gb...like clockwork.. no amount of voltages will bring it back.
Just got of off the phone with EVGA tech support. I dont know why i didnt think of trying this, but they suggested putting the stock cooler on to see if it still happens. They said the aftermarket fan, being too tight, causes the plastic that the cpu sits on in the socket to bow. They said when i re-seat the cpu, that gives the plastic time to cool and straighten out some. The reason it works for a day is because it takes time for the plastic to heat and bow enough to create the problem again. Makes sense. So i guess if this fixes it, then its an issue i should take up with thermalright? I see a new revision in the future....Hopefully. 


I call BS on what the EVGA tech told me. I'm using the stock cooler and same thing happened. I'm at 12gb installed 9.99 usable. I have all voltages set at their recommended settings per phone call. freakin $5000 system thats a POS. I should have kept my s775 q9650 @4500mhz.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/18 11:55:19 (permalink)
It would be nice to have evga investigate this.  It's affecting multiple ram types with the same motherboard chipset.  I realize they didn't invent x58, but it seems like the socket isn't securely holding the cpu in place.  A little strip of metal to line it up snuggly would fix alot of issues I think.  It's within their realm of control to make it better than the OE spec's.

It's snowing this weekend.  I foresee a socket and cpu brainstorming session in my future.  If MacGuyver can go through a wormhole, I can get my damn cpu to hold still.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/19 18:27:45 (permalink)
I am having the same "Cold Boot" memory issue. I also have an issue once I am powered up with files becoming corrupt and having to reload them. I have tried several things with no real success. Here is my template. ( I last tried Breaker's setup since our hardware is very close to each others). One thing to note, I have been having this issue since day one of building this rig. I have replaced one set of RAM and the motherboard per OEM (Mushkin) recommendations with the same issue still existing. Thank you for your time.

System
Mother Board ( EVGA X58 Classified E-760 )
CPU ( Intel Core i7 920 )
CPU Cooler ( Zallman CNPS9900 ALED { I even backed off on the tightness to make sure I was not bending the socket} )
Memory ( Mushkin Redline 998691 DDR3 1600 @ 6/7/6/18,1T @ 1.65V )
PSU ( Corsair HX 1000w)
GPUs ( GTX275 and 8800GTS )
Operating System ( Windows 7 64 bit Home )     
Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio ( 21X )
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) (133)
MCH Strap ( auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 2800Mhz { 21X } )
CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps )
Spread Spectrum ( Disabled )
PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 )
Turbo Mode     enabled
Memory Feature       
Memory Speed ( Standard )
Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
Memory Frequency ( 1333Mhz / 2:10 )
Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way )
Memory Low Gap ( Auto )
tCL Setting ( 8 )
tRCD Setting ( 8 )
tRP Setting ( 8 )
tRAS Setting ( 19 )
tRFC Setting ( 74 )
Command Rate ( 2t )
Voltage Control
EVGA VDroop Control ( With VDroop )
CPU VCore ( 1.3 )
CPU VTT Voltage ( +175 )
CPU PLL VCore ( Auto )
**IOH PLL VCore ( Auto )
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV )
QPI PLL VCore ( 1.4 )
IOH VCore ( Auto )
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto )
CPU Impedance (Auto )
*QPI Signal Compensation ( Auto )
ICH VCore ( Auto )
CPU Feature
Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled )
CxE Function ( Disabled )
Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
Intel HT Technology ( Disabled )
Active Processor Cores ( All )
QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
QPI Frequency Selection ( 4800 GT/s )
OC Recorvery ( Enabled )
post edited by dragonreef - 2009/12/19 18:30:34
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/19 20:43:16 (permalink)
dragonreef I am having the same "Cold Boot" memory issue. I also have an issue once I am powered up with files becoming corrupt and having to reload them. I have tried several things with no real success. Here is my template. ( I last tried Breaker's setup since our hardware is very close to each others). One thing to note, I have been having this issue since day one of building this rig. I have replaced one set of RAM and the motherboard per OEM (Mushkin) recommendations with the same issue still existing. Thank you for your time.

System
Mother Board ( EVGA X58 Classified E-760 )
CPU ( Intel Core i7 920 )
CPU Cooler ( Zallman CNPS9900 ALED { I even backed off on the tightness to make sure I was not bending the socket} )
Memory ( Mushkin Redline 998691 DDR3 1600 @ 6/7/6/18,1T @ 1.65V )
PSU ( Corsair HX 1000w)
GPUs ( GTX275 and 8800GTS )
Operating System ( Windows 7 64 bit Home )     
Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio ( 21X )
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) (133)
MCH Strap ( auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 2800Mhz { 21X } )
CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps )
Spread Spectrum ( Disabled )
PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 )
Turbo Mode     enabled
Memory Feature       
Memory Speed ( Standard )
Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
Memory Frequency ( 1333Mhz / 2:10 )
Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way )
Memory Low Gap ( Auto )
tCL Setting ( 8 )
tRCD Setting ( 8 )
tRP Setting ( 8 )
tRAS Setting ( 19 )
tRFC Setting ( 74 )
Command Rate ( 2t )
Voltage Control
EVGA VDroop Control ( With VDroop )
CPU VCore ( 1.3 )
CPU VTT Voltage ( +175 )
CPU PLL VCore ( Auto )
**IOH PLL VCore ( Auto )
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV )
QPI PLL VCore ( 1.4 )
IOH VCore ( Auto )
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto )
CPU Impedance (Auto )
*QPI Signal Compensation ( Auto )
ICH VCore ( Auto )
CPU Feature
Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled )
CxE Function ( Disabled )
Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
Intel HT Technology ( Disabled )
Active Processor Cores ( All )
QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
QPI Frequency Selection ( 4800 GT/s )
OC Recorvery ( Enabled )
I still once in a while have the cold boot issue (dropping a stick of memory), and I have 6GB of the same memory you have. Additionally, I can have a problem with the Redlines if I try to run them too slow, and you are running them slow.
 
Since you are running stock clock, your setup is a mystery to me. I can not quite figure out why you have anything at all set to anything other than 'default' in you BIOS, except memory, unless all that is an effort to support some unknown problem with your processor. I would clear CMOS and set your memory to 1.65V, 2:12 7-8-7-21 (then tighten that up if it runs okay). If something isn't flat out broken, it ought to run well this way. Otherwise, you haven't RMA'd you processor, yet.... 
 

post edited by grd003 - 2009/12/19 20:47:33

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 03:14:17 (permalink)
dragonreef

I am having the same "Cold Boot" memory issue. I also have an issue once I am powered up with files becoming corrupt and having to reload them. I have tried several things with no real success. Here is my template. ( I last tried Breaker's setup since our hardware is very close to each others). One thing to note, I have been having this issue since day one of building this rig. I have replaced one set of RAM and the motherboard per OEM (Mushkin) recommendations with the same issue still existing. Thank you for your time.



If you are having data corruption like that and you have already replaced the memory, theres a very very very good chance you have a bad hard drive. Have you tried installing windows to a different drive?

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 03:47:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
For those of you running 12GB of memory, here's what I would do;

tRFC - if shooting for memory speeds over 1600MHz with a 1N command rate, set tRFC to 100 minimum. For higher memory speeds you may have no option but to revert to a 2N Command Rate either. Depends on the IMC, but you need a longer refresh period for 12GB of memory vs. 8GB or 6 GB. 88 is too tight for high speeds with 1N Command Rate and 12 GB of memory. tWR probably needs to be out at 14+ for 12GB over 1600Mhz as well.

There are a number of things that cause memory not to map to the OS. Most have been pointed out in this thread. On the physical level you have socket issues, or memory slots with poor contact. Ensure the CPU pads are clean (Isopropyl alcohol is good for removing grease). Ensure the memory contacts are clean too. Also ensure CPU socket pins are not bent wrongly or damaged in some way. Lastly, memory modules that are showing signs of fatigue or breakdown may not map properly.

The second reason for non-mapping memory is due to instability during the board post process. The IMC sets up compensation values and sends a series of signals out to each DRAM IC, measures how long it takes for each signal to come back and then skews the associated transmitter and receiver send/receive logic to balance out timing mismatches. If for some reason there is any instability during this memory training period, the guilty channel will be dropped and not mapped to the OS (I think Sham told me this raises an S4 sleep flag and the IMC assumes the module is in sleep state).

Causes of this instability are either at the physical layer (explained above) and also incorrect/overly aggressive timings or too high a frequency bandwidth set by the end user for the IMC to cope with. On a side note, different memory IC's also represent varying levels of load to the IMC transmitter stages (call it an amplifier in layman terms). The amplifier has to drive voltage into the DRAM receiver logic gates. Some modules have more capacitive gates (think of these as low impedance or capacitive speakers like electrostatics). Lower impedance speakers need more drive current and stress the amplifier harder. You may think that the simple fix to this problem is to raise VTT (volume in the context of this analogy), that's not always true. The more capacitive or lower impedance a load, the sooner an amplifier will distort. The same thing happens with some memory IC's at higher levels of bandwidth, the IMC transmitter has to swing voltage faster into the receiver gates and begins to distort leading to incorrect logic interpretation. Raising voltage at this point may make matters worse, while lowering it reduces the required slew rate for the IMC transmitter to swing voltage fast enough for the operating frequency.  At the same time, there are instances where more voltage is the fix (assuming the IMC and DRAM can handle the operating frequency) .

If none of the above fixes the issues, then the only option is to run at a speed which the IMC and memory is comfortable with.

later
post edited by raja1 - 2009/12/20 03:50:07
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 05:28:33 (permalink)
Hi raja thanks for your advice and input. I've been running everything stock, including the cpu cooler for the past week. Same pattern for me. At initial install, everything works fine. 1 or 2 days later, i lose memory. I'm  running 9gb now instead of 12gb with the same problem. I just re-seated cpu and swapped the 6gb i took out last week, now im back to a full 9gb. I just set twr to 14 and trfc to 100 and we'll see what happens tomorrow or the next day. Remember i'm at stock settings except for trfc at 100, twr at 14, 2N command rate and dram voltage at 1.64. @ 1066. All 9gb is showing. I can almost gaurantee you that come tuesday i'll be at 9gb installed, 6.99gb usable. I really dont know what to do next, maybe RMA my 950 CPU? I havent tried the Gigabyte UD7 at stock, or with 9gb instead of 12 yet, but i was having the exact same problem/pattern with the Gigabyte and 12gb installed. Maybe i'll order a 920 and see if that helps.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 06:11:08 (permalink)
NUGZO Hi raja thanks for your advice and input. I've been running everything stock, including the cpu cooler for the past week. Same pattern for me. At initial install, everything works fine. 1 or 2 days later, i lose memory. I'm  running 9gb now instead of 12gb with the same problem. I just re-seated cpu and swapped the 6gb i took out last week, now im back to a full 9gb. I just set twr to 14 and trfc to 100 and we'll see what happens tomorrow or the next day. Remember i'm at stock settings except for trfc at 100, twr at 14, 2N command rate and dram voltage at 1.64. @ 1066. All 9gb is showing. I can almost gaurantee you that come tuesday i'll be at 9gb installed, 6.99gb usable. I really dont know what to do next, maybe RMA my 950 CPU? I havent tried the Gigabyte UD7 at stock, or with 9gb instead of 12 yet, but i was having the exact same problem/pattern with the Gigabyte and 12gb installed. Maybe i'll order a 920 and see if that helps.
[just a note, +1 for raja's efforts] Re-reading some of your posts, it looks like you have had the same processor on at least two different motherboards with the same unsatisfactory result. IDK, but it seems an RMA for a defective 950 would be cheaper than buying a second processor, because it can be reasonably concluded that the 950 is suspect.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 06:59:54 (permalink)
Yeah the more i think about it, the more i think it might be the cpu.....Then i think but why would everything work right after a re-seat? I just ordered a w3520 to be here tuesday. If thats not the problem, i have a UD7, a GTX 260, extra ram and a 1000w power supply just layin around, i can use that CPU to build a system to sell. I just remembered, i have a 920 c0 at the shop in a system i just picked up, i may go get that and try it. It sucks that my megahelms were shipped with defective mounting hardware, i'm stuck with a stock cooler untill they send me the right stuff.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 07:12:50 (permalink)
@grd003   I see in your sig you have 2 different 6gb kits, do you run both kits for 12gb?

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 08:03:19 (permalink)
NUGZO @grd003   I see in your sig you have 2 different 6gb kits, do you run both kits for 12gb?
I run both for 12GB. Slammed in the Geil after a month or so of running with just the Mushkin Redlines and it booted right up at 4.336GHz, 1652MHz memory, 7-7-7-24, 1.65V. No problems mixed like this, but I was careful to get the Geils because they had a 1.6V spec that I knew would do well at 1.65V. But, then, I love proving the so called "experts" flat ass wrong.
 
Note that I do have the infrequent cold boot problem, but I just reboot after a few moments when I think it's warmed up a bit. Not happening much lately but I suspect its not simply gone away for good -- although it's only a cold boot problem.
Also, I had a severe problem a few weeks ago running the Redlines by themselves at a slow clock rate. Very flaky during boot and crashing when up and running. They "seem" to prefer 1.6 to 1.625V also.
 
Also had the missing memory slot 1 problem with the Redlines by themselves a few weeks ago, too. So to fix it I roughly handled the processor and aggressively reseated the memory, but it wasn't reliable yet, so I did it again and for the past month it has been okay. Tough love. Okay. But I'm an engineer, so maybe I know how much I can get away with.
 
I use a Ramdisk so the memory gets a good, constant workout, and I also do a lot of video transcoding which has serious demands on the system too. Yesterday I did an uncompressed 8-bit YUV 1,333GB (ya, 1.3TB) movie down to a 43GB Bluray in two hours, so high performance is important. The only thing I do to my system is pump up the Bclk, Vcore, Vtt (well, I like CPU PWM at 1033, too).
post edited by grd003 - 2009/12/20 21:25:56

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 15:49:13 (permalink)
Just got back from the shop. robbed a 920 c0 out of a system i have for sale. Lets see if my ram still disappears. Just like always, 12gb is showing at initial install. Hopefully it'll still show 12gb tomorrow and tuesday. If it does, its CPU RMA time. What kind of overclocks should i expect with a c0?

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 16:47:42 (permalink)
To all posters above: thank you for all your input. Im glad to see so many options to try. 
   gdr003, thanks for the Info on the mixed kits I always thought Its a bad idea to mix different brands. Its not somthing I would do. But its realy good to Know.
   Raja1 I truly apriciate your time and Info. Thank you for cheeping in.
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Just got back from the shop. robbed a 920 c0 out of a system i have for sale. Lets see if my ram still disappears. Just like always, 12gb is showing at initial install. Hopefully it'll still show 12gb tomorrow and tuesday. If it does, its CPU RMA time. What kind of overclocks should i expect with a c0?  //

From what Ive heard the same as D0, but with higher voltage. Im realy curious to see what you are gona come up with. Good luck bud.
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 20:17:19 (permalink)
Well, it doesnt look like the CPU is the problem. 12gb every reboot for the first 4 hours, now 7.99 usable no matter what clocks/voltages i set. It is acting a little different, i'm losing more ram since installing this CPU. This is driving me crazy. 2 motherboards and 2 cpu's. Same problem. If it isnt the CPU or the motherboard, why does it do right after i re-seat the CPU? This is some crazy stuff goin on here.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/20 21:45:20 (permalink)
NUGZO Well, it doesnt look like the CPU is the problem. 12gb every reboot for the first 4 hours, now 7.99 usable no matter what clocks/voltages i set. It is acting a little different, i'm losing more ram since installing this CPU. This is driving me crazy. 2 motherboards and 2 cpu's. Same problem. If it isnt the CPU or the motherboard, why does it do right after i re-seat the CPU? This is some crazy stuff goin on here.
I have re-read your posts here and am not clear on your memory configuration. I think you've had a couple different types, but I can't be sure. IF you're using the g.skill perfect storm with their cooling fans, then take the fans off, reseat your memory, and then leave the fans off.
 
I'd run 6GB until I was absolutely positive that they run well. Whether they run perfectly or not, I would then put the other 6GB in and test them too. If they both run okay, maybe we scratch our heads some more.
 
There will be a rational solution for this problem, except we don't necessarily have the whole story. What's left? Video cards, power supply, other? When I have an intractable problem it becomes time to reduce the variables and simplify the scope of the problem set. Gut your system, use an old video card, start at the bottom and work your way back up. Take your system off its backup AC power source. Simplify. I've been troublshooting this stuff for fifty-two years and sometimes I admit it looks hopeless to me, but in the end it is always fixable.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/22 19:28:11 (permalink)
Hello
I had the same issue  with my OS finding 6 gb but only 3.99 usable.
Then i notice E-LEET was showing my ram running only on two chanels, i removed my ram and inspected it, and found a piece of hair
in the memory contacts lol.

That was my problem, so make sure the ram sockets and ram contacts are clean.
The other problem i have is that my ram wont run at 1333, it goes to 1060 on XMP profile or any other way i try to set it.
If i change it to 1333 manually it wont boot. I tried my dual channel 2000mhz viper and it works up to 19++mhz CPU@ 4.0GHZ

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1333 Viper 9-9-9-24-1T
post edited by mech581 - 2009/12/22 20:30:29
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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/22 21:16:42 (permalink)
I'm having a very similar issue with my 6 GB triple channel OCZ memory kit, except that it never shown the full 6 GB.

Only 4 GB is detected by the BIOS and Linux. I've tried re-seating the memory in their slots and changing the DIMM voltage from the Auto set at 1.5 V to 1.65 nominal. Still no luck. I'm using the stock Intel cooler so weight cannot be the issue but it makes sense that the CPU might be the culprit in some cases due to the i7's integrated memory controller.

I'll try each dim to see if it might be the memory but I doubt it.

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Re:Disappearing Ram 2009/12/22 21:52:42 (permalink)
If anyone gets this problem I have a solution that has worked for me and others in the past, use a lower dimm voltage. Like 1.6 or 1.625. You may need to relax the timings a bit but I think it is related to certain cpu's having a weaker vdimm memory controller and the fact most motherboards over volt at 1.65 above intels maximum recommended spec of 1.65, even if this is out of load conditions.

saccie ------------------ i7 920 D0@ 4.25GHz --- (2) 295 770/1660/1250 ----- P42,862
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1630765

saccie ------------------ i7 920 D0@ 4.4GHz --- (1) 295 800/1725/1250 ----- P29,285
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1640635  
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