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Thursday, August 18, 2016 4:30 AM (permalink)
i think it would be a good idea for you to share some details about this case that you think EVGA should change/fix/redo/etc, i have 2 that are driving me a little crazy, AND things that you think make this case amazing. i know i'll be adding to this list as i build my new machine.
 
  1. NO PWM fan controler
  2. Designing a Left/Front/Right case
  3. Designed for Liquid Cooling
  4. Bottom intake fan completely obstructed
 
#1: nearly everyone in the high end market, the target audience, is looking at these things and with the recent release of the Corsair ML series fans, which ideally requires 12V PWM, it's a minor oversight. something that would be nice but isn't that detrimental, but #4 is.
 
#2: i have to give whomever came up with this layout for the case credit, i LOVE it. this is perfect for L-Shaped desks and with everyone wanting to showoff their build via a side panel, being able to hide all the cable clutter is a very nice touch. this was one of the two main factors for me buying the case.
 
#3: i personally have not gotten to be able to install my my liquid cooling components but i can say right off the bat that this case can handle nearly anything you want to put into it. i'll be expanding on this one in the future once EK releases the water blocks i need.
 
#4: this just REALLY REALLY sucks, well it doesn't suck as it can not suck any air into the case when it's blocked. now i can understand the ascetic reason why as the logo is on the bottom, it's nice looking. but it should have been up top or atleast half the height it currently is. if the logo was up top all 3 fans would be fully exposed because the fans are already lowered to allow for the radiator on top. but instead they push the fans down about 60mm and then close off about 140mm of the bottom for the logo. they didnt even allow for any possible side and/or bottom venting because all the air has to come in through the air filter. as if keeping positive case pressure would be hard enough when using two 420mm radiators it will be literally impossible now without making both of the left 2 fans intakes. i know that i personally will either modify the right cover or simply leave if off.
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:18 AM (permalink)
    Interesting feedback, maybe some picture - soon

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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM (permalink)
    sure, i'll do pics once i can borrow a decent camera and take this thing apart again.


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:42 PM (permalink)
    I'd say the following could be improved,

    1. PWM fan controller - all premium fans are PWM these days and their own motherboards support all PWM fans.
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 3:29 AM (permalink)
    I hate waste; so having to choose between wasting expensive Noctua fans or wasting the fan controller in this case hurts.  Once I'm done building my system in this case my next project is going to be building a variable V to PWM converter.
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:45 AM (permalink)
    i for one will also be interested in said converter/controler. 


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:07 AM (permalink)
    Chris
    Since you have the case and have time to pooking around I have following questions.
    Is the temp probe replacable?
    Is there any marking on the probe like resistance?
    I was thinking of replace that with a water temp probe instead.
    My case has'nt turned up yet =(.



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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:08 AM (permalink)
    I think I understand why they didn't cut floor... There are a lot of space for fans and cooling.
    Some people maybe like to install fan on bottom of case but I'm not fan of that, only if no other place.
    And here there are more than enough in DG-87. 
     

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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 2:34 PM (permalink)
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    Chris
    Since you have the case and have time to pooking around I have following questions.
    Is the temp probe replacable?
    Is there any marking on the probe like resistance?
    I was thinking of replace that with a water temp probe instead.
    My case has'nt turned up yet =(.




    The temp probe can be unplugged from the controller board.
     
    No markings, but the multi-meter is reporting 10KOhm
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 3:55 PM (permalink)
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    The temp probe can be unplugged from the controller board.
     
    No markings, but the multi-meter is reporting 10KOhm




    Thanks B1gf00t
    Then it could be replaced with most any water temp probe.
    I need to see the water temp instead and will not use the built in fan controller.
    post edited by LazySoft - Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:15 PM



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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:10 PM (permalink)
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    B1gf00tThe temp probe can be unplugged from the controller board.
     
    No markings, but the multi-meter is reporting 10KOhm
    Thanks Chris
    Then it could be replaced with most any water temp probe.
    I need to see the water temp instead and will not use the built in fan controller.

     
    Waaaa, that was something i never would have thought of! this is going to added to my build list for my cooling loop. thanks B1gf00t ;)


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Monday, August 22, 2016 0:06 PM (permalink)
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    B1gf00t
     
    The temp probe can be unplugged from the controller board.
     
    No markings, but the multi-meter is reporting 10KOhm




    Thanks B1gf00t
    Then it could be replaced with most any water temp probe.
    I need to see the water temp instead and will not use the built in fan controller.


    This is a very interesting idea. How much of a delta is there between cpu/gpu and water temp? Is it significant enough to monitor when there is a LED readout of cpu temp on the motherboard?

    My original plan was to have the probe on the exhaust of the radiator to see how much energy was being taken out of the loop.
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Monday, August 22, 2016 1:31 AM (permalink)
    Some points of mine are,
    1) A PSU should move into position freely and be rested on some kind of dampening foam.  Not scratch up your psu trying to shoehorn it into position !
    2) Premium looking case, should be premium parts... low quality parts with fit and finish of much cheaper quality cases.
    3) A Glued in plexi window ? its ok, but when you remove the door, you can clearly see the minimal use of adhesive and splotches of it around areas.
    4) Personal opinion, could have made a pass through whole underneath the mobo area for front panel leads, without it the wires running up from the psu slide out cover are tacky.
    Could have just made a hole removable cover.
    5) Overall i find the case quieter than i thought it would be, with ambient internal temps right around 25c.. not bad.  Thats with 100% right fans  35% front and left, for positive case pressure.
     
    My take on it.. Should have been a little better build quality, A+ for thinking outside of the box.
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 1:37 AM (permalink)
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    B1gf00t
     
    The temp probe can be unplugged from the controller board.
     
    No markings, but the multi-meter is reporting 10KOhm




    Thanks B1gf00t
    Then it could be replaced with most any water temp probe.
    I need to see the water temp instead and will not use the built in fan controller.




    Something else to keep in mind.  All the thermometer probes I've been looking at do not have the same plug EVGA is using.  EVGA is using a 3 pin connector with the thermometer wires running out of pin 1 and 3 with nothing out of pin 2.
     
    As I like to try to avoid voiding EVGA's warranties, I wouldn't cut and splice a different thermometer to their connector.  That being said, I'm pretty sure this is the correct connector: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/molex-llc/0022013037/WM2001-ND/26433
     
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 1:45 AM (permalink)
    a 3pin fan connector? i haven't removed the front panel and looked at all the details behind it but thanks for the heads up.


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 3:53 AM (permalink)
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    a 3pin fan connector? i haven't removed the front panel and looked at all the details behind it but thanks for the heads up.




    Not necessarily a fan connector; Molex connectors are prevalent in almost all computer connectors.
     
    I will verify that the .1" Molex connector is the correct spacing when EK (eventually ) releases the block for the 1080 FTW and I'm installing a new temp probe myself.
    post edited by B1gf00t - Friday, August 26, 2016 4:06 AM
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 4:01 AM (permalink)
    Not many reviewers have given any idea of whats behind the front panel, so I'll show it here:
     

     

     
     
    post edited by B1gf00t - Friday, August 26, 2016 3:40 PM
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 12:54 AM (permalink)
    is it just me or are those images not want to load for B1gf00t? also you and i are in the same boat waiting for the FTW water blocks so i'll also let you know that i did get confirmation that they are delayed 3 weeks.
     
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    Hi

    I'm really sorry, but sadly FTW water blocks are indeed delayed and now the approximate ETA for it is in 3 weeks.

    We sincerely apologize for the delay and thank you for understanding.

    Best regards, Igor

    post edited by Chris21010 - Friday, August 26, 2016 1:02 PM


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 2:15 PM (permalink)
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    is it just me or are those images not want to load for B1gf00t? also you and i are in the same boat waiting for the FTW water blocks so i'll also let you know that i did get confirmation that they are delayed 3 weeks.
     
    EKWB Support (Igor) (EKWB Support)
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    Hi

    I'm really sorry, but sadly FTW water blocks are indeed delayed and now the approximate ETA for it is in 3 weeks.

    We sincerely apologize for the delay and thank you for understanding.

    Best regards, Igor





    Odd, the pictures have been loading for me.  Can you still open the image in a new tab to see it?
     
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 2:36 PM (permalink)
    nope, even at another PC they will only show a grey circle with a white dash through it. i assume it is either loading via your cookies or you are the only one allowed access to the images.


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 3:41 PM (permalink)
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    nope, even at another PC they will only show a grey circle with a white dash through it. i assume it is either loading via your cookies or you are the only one allowed access to the images.




    I changed where they were hosted.  Can you see the two pictures now?
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, August 26, 2016 3:44 PM (permalink)
    I can see them now


     
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Thursday, September 01, 2016 11:21 PM (permalink)
    Since you own this case, i just went and bought evga class z170, which i want to buy 2 1080 FTW Hybrid, my question is where you can install the external fans coupled to the cards? Any Thoughts?
     
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, September 02, 2016 1:09 PM (permalink)
    the top GPU could mount on top and/or maybe on the left swinging door, have to check length as i do not own a hybrid card. i do know they will not reach to the right side so that bottom GPU will kinda be out of luck for a mounting location. i would love to know if its possible to rig up a mounting bracket that attaches to the reservoir mount to hold the hybrid cards.


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, September 02, 2016 5:29 PM (permalink)
    It's obvious EVGA made great product, DG-87 case.
    Now is only question who have money to full case with CORSAIR 140mm Magnet Levitation Fans and inside will be cold as on Antarctic.
    They spin on 2000RPM.

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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, September 02, 2016 8:42 PM (permalink)
    They also loud at max lol I have 3 pushing for my radiator


     
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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Friday, September 02, 2016 10:16 PM (permalink)
    i have all 8 of my ML140's at 100% right now as i haven't put the PWM controllers in yet. yea they are loud but i just play my music/games louder :P


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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:25 PM (permalink)
    Chris, if you're using a full water loop covering cpus and gpus, why do you still need so many case fans? If the only things still putting heat into the air inside the case the mobo chipset, RAM, and SSD/optical drive, shouldn't a couple fans be more than capable of handling it?

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    Re: DG-87 It's All About The Details Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:28 PM (permalink)
    all the case fans are on the radiators 
     
    also since i'll be getting the rest of my parts tomorrow i'll be tearing down my build and redoing the whole thing. this go round i'll take pictures and make comments on all the details about this case that i like and do not like.


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