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troy has agreed to voluntarily cap my production at 120 Cppd which should be more or less fair. i'm all for keeping things close in our bracket though, just as long as the final push that gets us over the finish line-- that can't come from me.

So that means other team mates need to pick up the slack.  Dang, and here I thought we're going to actually make it.
 
On an other note, I finally got a response back from Asrock about my bouncing CPU speed problem.  They told me to use a higher wattage PSU.  Isn't a 450W PSU strong enough.  Thou they did not know that at the time of reponse.  So I may power down Quartz and check the voltages and maybe try a lesser wattage PSU to test out the problem.

Xavier Zepherious

450? no wonder

an OC'd i7 (with motherboardand other components -excluding gpu draw)can draw 400 watts

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-13.html



http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/11/14/intel-sandy-bridge-e-review/10

I find that graph to be untruthful.  With a meter plugged in from the wall outlet, the 2600k has maxed out at 75W.  I've powered a PenD 3.6GHz with a 300W PSU drawing 150W on just the CPU.  I can't exactly say for the i7 930 as I got too much in the case that draws power, but it will draw upwards of 700W on a 850W PSU.  So if a 450W PSU can't handle a 95W TDP CPU, somebody's testing methods is messed up or my PSU is screwey.  So if a 300W fixes the problem, I got a bad PSU.

Xavier Zepherious

you didn't bother looking at the other links
if you overclock - it draws extra power from the PSU (over your 95watt)



try reading this
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/power-consumption-overclocking.html

I should have probably mentioned this too.  The 2600k is not overclocked.  It can't even handle 3.5GHz on the turbo boost.  3.4GHz is the only speed which it will run at a contast.
 
I'm trying the tester 300W PSU next.  I know this PSU will handle 150W on the CPU power connector.

I get the same result on the 2600k no matter which PSU I use (300W, 450W, & 850W).  All the PSU voltages are within range of their respected connector voltages.  The only thing that I can't test is the CPU and mobo across different boards.  Since Quartz is a simple rig, its down to the CPU or mobo.  And since the CPU is willing to be overclocked without BSOD, I believe its got to be the motherboard thats causing the CPU speed to bounce when over 3.4GHz.

LearjetMinako

I get the same result on the 2600k no matter which PSU I use (300W, 450W, & 850W).  All the PSU voltages are within range of their respected connector voltages.  The only thing that I can't test is the CPU and mobo across different boards.  Since Quartz is a simple rig, its down to the CPU or mobo.  And since the CPU is willing to be overclocked without BSOD, I believe its got to be the motherboard thats causing the CPU speed to bounce when over 3.4GHz.

Id contact support
maybe they can help you...
 
what MB is it again - maybe I can track something down
 

halfdead is not folding... I'll shoot a PM
 
 

Kinda reminds me of when I was a kid back in the 70's.  I had a Gremlin, a 6 cylinder (don't laugh too loud).  I put 50 series tires on the back.  Loved to giv'er and push everone, even Camero's LOL.  I know I couldn't win, just loved the race and never gave up.  Sometime tenacity gave me the win (at least in my mind).    I say giv'er diplomacy, otherwise my 6 cylinder will come looking for you.  LOL

Wrong thread.

I'm way over my estimate, even though my 4 cores and 2 gpu's only output the equivalency of a 560ti...  i need an upgrade *kicks college tuition*

also, IF i were gonna keep folding... somebody is gonna need to teach me how to add the -bigbeta or whatever it is that punchy is doing so that i can get out of SMP in tracker. i must have 400,000 point drops. 0.o

willyray

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@ willyray,

atm, i'm not at home, so my ability to do that is pretty limited. i'll be talking things over with XZ and troy when i have the opportunity. i'll find out what they want to do.  as far as i'm concerned, the points are legal, but there are moral considerations at play.

tbh the plan was to not interfere at all with second and third round of the competition. if we lose because of that, yes it would suck, but on the other hand other teams (the ones unfortunately populated with poor sportsmen) have been super active and super great competitors. our folders have been quiet, some of us stopped folding, others must have pulled back...i tried to make it absolutely clear that everyone needed to be going all out for the last 48hrs and the proof is in the puddin. we didn't make the 4th bracket. given that, i can hardly look at the prophets and say "well my output beats all y'all's, we win"

all that said, any and all input is welcome(even from outside the dojo), its going to come down to "what is fair" given the parameters of the tournament? and what course of action would lead to the biggest total production in our bracket?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation ... it's my impression that your 'err system' is still folding and you have chosen not to -one unit due to loosing in process WUs.  Further, Troy has capped your production that is counted toward our team points to 120 PPD.  Why do you need to change anything other than reaching an understanding of what cap, if any, will be used to make things "fair" for everyone else?

Later in this thread you asked for help in further tweaking your 'err system' for -bigadv.  There are any number of EVGA folders that have lended a helping hand in the past and I'm sure would in the future to keep you and others in the fold so to speak.  You might want to wait until after the Madness ends to post your specific questions ...  and, I, for one, would be very interested in more details on your 'err system' at that point.

way to make a tough choice sound easy :P
 
first, i would say that I have capped my ppd at 120 and that troy would probably have rather i just shut up and kept folding. that's based on everything I've seen and heard from him. if i leave the cap in place and at this level we will lose the following 2 playoffs and return to 4th from whence we came, no harm, no foul, but i got my 2 cents in and next year i'm sure it will be better addressed.
 
of course, if i do that, the prophets can ease off the gas and we can all but give up... contrary to the ignorant opinions of some, my goal in pushing for a super close 3 way tie for fourth was to encourage more points from all three teams. that's still what i want. it would seem that the most effective way to do that would be to set my ppd to an attainable level and leave it up to the prophets to come and get us, but then there is the whole "what if we win" conundrum.
 
so that's where we are. how important is 750M points, can we save this competition or should we just let it fizzle and chalk it up to PG and their baffling point system and stupid long singleproc wus. I still find myself leaning towards the former, because handicapping 1 team in 1 race is stupid, but its not exactly a simple situation. 
 
as for the big adv thing, i checked the box, but tracker was telling me that i would get 75kppd per client when compared with 90k ppd at SMP (and not to mention 1hr WUs vs 7 or 8 hours) so i have to imagine that punchy is doing something different with his mega Us.
 
since we still presumably want 800M points, and i apparently have fences to mend here, it seems like a good idea for me to be working on the nukes like the other heavy hitters. 0.02

diplomacy

willyray

diplomacy

@ willyray,

atm, i'm not at home, so my ability to do that is pretty limited. i'll be talking things over with XZ and troy when i have the opportunity. i'll find out what they want to do.  as far as i'm concerned, the points are legal, but there are moral considerations at play.

tbh the plan was to not interfere at all with second and third round of the competition. if we lose because of that, yes it would suck, but on the other hand other teams (the ones unfortunately populated with poor sportsmen) have been super active and super great competitors. our folders have been quiet, some of us stopped folding, others must have pulled back...i tried to make it absolutely clear that everyone needed to be going all out for the last 48hrs and the proof is in the puddin. we didn't make the 4th bracket. given that, i can hardly look at the prophets and say "well my output beats all y'all's, we win"

all that said, any and all input is welcome(even from outside the dojo), its going to come down to "what is fair" given the parameters of the tournament? and what course of action would lead to the biggest total production in our bracket?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation ... it's my impression that your 'err system' is still folding and you have chosen not to -one unit due to loosing in process WUs.  Further, Troy has capped your production that is counted toward our team points to 120 PPD.  Why do you need to change anything other than reaching an understanding of what cap, if any, will be used to make things "fair" for everyone else?

Later in this thread you asked for help in further tweaking your 'err system' for -bigadv.  There are any number of EVGA folders that have lended a helping hand in the past and I'm sure would in the future to keep you and others in the fold so to speak.  You might want to wait until after the Madness ends to post your specific questions ...  and, I, for one, would be very interested in more details on your 'err system' at that point.

way to make a tough choice sound easy :P

first, i would say that I have capped my ppd at 120 and that troy would probably have rather i just shut up and kept folding. that's based on everything I've seen and heard from him. if i leave the cap in place and at this level we will lose the following 2 playoffs and return to 4th from whence we came, no harm, no foul, but i got my 2 cents in and next year i'm sure it will be better addressed.

of course, if i do that, the prophets can ease off the gas and we can all but give up... contrary to the ignorant opinions of some, my goal in pushing for a super close 3 way tie for fourth was to encourage more points from all three teams. that's still what i want. it would seem that the most effective way to do that would be to set my ppd to an attainable level and leave it up to the prophets to come and get us, but then there is the whole "what if we win" conundrum.

so that's where we are. how important is 750M points, can we save this competition or should we just let it fizzle and chalk it up to PG and their baffling point system and stupid long singleproc wus. I still find myself leaning towards the former, because handicapping 1 team in 1 race is stupid, but its not exactly a simple situation. 

as for the big adv thing, i checked the box, but tracker was telling me that i would get 75kppd per client when compared with 90k ppd at SMP (and not to mention 1hr WUs vs 7 or 8 hours) so i have to imagine that punchy is doing something different with his mega Us.

since we still presumably want 800M points, and i apparently have fences to mend here, it seems like a good idea for me to be working on the nukes like the other heavy hitters. 0.02

It's your decision to make, but, my earlier suggestion at least opens the spigot to the point where we might be competitive on a PPD basis.  However, if you capped at 300%, at present it would not make up but around one third of our current deficit versus the Prophets ... we'd still be getting blown out of the water when our team is producing just a bit above our projected PPD and the Prophets are producing at greater than 30% above their projected PPD.
 
I agree with many of your stances on this challenge and the PPD estimates versus production ... and these issues appear to always be present no matter what race, challenge, etc ... is under way.  The event organizers know this and I trust they try to figure out the best set of rules to balance fun with competition.  Whatever you decide, let's just have at it for the rest of the Madness event ...

you've got 5 of 8 teams agreeing to go forward
waiting on
Fast&Furious
FAHaholics
Pimps

OC is back on the 2600k and production should be a bit higher than PPD estimate ... but, the motherboard on this system has to be swapped out tomorrow.  It's the same motherboard and one has to be returned, so, swapping them is necessary.  Hopefully, down time will only be a couple hours and the OC will be consistent across the boards.

I think what we should do is finish this second round and declare a team winner somehow (perhaps total points during the week, or from the start).  Honestly any bragging rights for this competition have been tainted by all the shenanigans anyway.
 
From then until the end of the month have a Monster Death Match(TM) pitting the two brackets against each other, no holds barred, bring everything you own.  With everyone (including Diplomacy) bringing all they've got I think that could be a pretty interesting matchup.