***Posting as a member of the Folding Community, not as a Moderator***
 
OK. No trash talking, crying, sobbing or downright calling out here. Just simple thoughts.
 
May I suggest the following. A 15 day contest that looks something like this...
 
Three levels/brackets (All three in the same contest, each level has a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place podium)(Avg ppd based of of previous rolling year at time of event)

1. Platinum (Teams that produce 10,000,000 PPD +)
2. Gold (5,000,000 - 9,999,999 ppd)
3. Silver (4,999,999 and less ppd)

 
Grand Champion
One Grand Champion. The team that collected the most points overall (Not PPD but contest points) would be crowned the Grand Champion.
 
So we have the three levels to encourage growth and PPD in each level. Then a Grand Champion that can come from any of the three levels.
 
Suggested points (Out-loud thoughts).
 

1. Two points for every confirmed "Current" folder for each said team, that switches from their own production to the contest for the same team.
2. One point for every confirmed "Current" folder from any team that is not in the contest, that switches from their own production to the contest for a team in the contest. (No points for producers on teams that are in the contest that has a producer leave to produce for another team in the contest. Example. Team Alpha has a folder go produce for Team Eco... No points for that particular folder)
3. Three points for every folder that has not folded in six months or more (Verified by the EOC) that came in to help during the contest for the same team they folded for before.
4. One point for every folder that has not folded in six months or more (Verified by the EOC) that came in to help during the contest for the any team in the contest.
5. One point for every million produced. In addition I like what CC is doing right now. Showing 1.52 1.51 1.50 1.49  and so on. Keeps it interesting
6. Two points for every % that each team increases the teams overall production daily avg by, averaged out at the end of the contest. Example: "Folder team alpha" normally does 3 million PPD. During the contest the contestants produce 1,000,000 ppd, that go into the teams ppd totals (Like CC does). They as a team now averaged 3,300,000 PPD. They increased the team PPD by 10%. This is 20 points. This can be from new or past folders adding PPD or added equipment. Does not matter. It all is about gaining more PPD.

 
In case it is not clear or evident. The idea here is...

1. To gain new folders!
2. Create a leveler playing field in one contest instead of alienating any team.
3. To bring folders of the past back into the fold.

 
Showing up to a rigged race makes a few happy, and many upset. We saw this the last few years and hated seeing [H] go away. It is good however to see both sides of the fence for sure.
 
To have a contest of any value from here seems clear. It needs to have levels. Like Wrestling, or Track and so on. Heavy weights vs. lightweights may sound fun, but it is not. But I will pay to watch two equally skilled heavyweights or lightweights go at it!!
 
My hopes with this thread is to get the idea juices flowing. Nothing less. Contests need to be to help the entire Folding community as a whole. The only way to do that is to create levels and points in these contests. The idea of the points is simple. Every team has different weaknesses and strengths. One team may be strong in a few and week in another few. Yet another team will be strong and weak in the opposite set. So by having no less than five ways to gain points allows for a very interesting contest to say the least.
 
Will it be tough to manage. Maybe. But if we are asking for folks to participate and get involved, do you not think that their efforts are worth it?
 
I hope this is received with the good and positive intent as I intend it to be. The only way we learn is to try, recognize the needs, and change. Try again, rinse and repeat.
 
Feedback? Ideas?

Crud I forgot to add...
 
One Grand Champion. The team that collected the most points overall (Not PPD but contest points) would be crowned the Grand Champion.
 
So we have the three levels to encourage growth and PPD in each level. Then a Grand Champion that can come from any of the three levels.

I see you have put some thought into this :)
 
So my 2cents.
A handicap system is a must else the largest participating  team should win - simple stuff
Now for a simple resolution:
The total scores for each team are devided by the number of team members folding on the CC. This means that its only the members putting the effort into CC that are measured, ans the playing field is stright and true
 
Then keeping it simple the team with the highest score wins :)
 
100,000,000 total points over 10 days devide by the number of team members folding on CC 2011, 100 members = 1,000,000 points.
 
Its quite simple to work out and every member is measured as being worth the same for the team.
 
The rules this year would be fair if every member on every team particated, but as they don't....................................................
 

It seemed that way to me :)
 
I was looking for a method that did not give any advantages at all and gave each team the opportunity to come out on top, and was very simple to implement and could be understood by all

Looking for more input than this

So, what will we call this contest?

sounds good to me.

I call this the new rules for CC!

I can't think about new rules yet, but can we please have it during a cooler time of year (for most of us, anyway) from now on?

"Who gives a Crap about Personal Points"
 
Should be a contest between all comers. Let it rock for 3 months and see which team(s) have the desire to stick with a contest then.
 
Sean

***Cut and paste from another thread I posted in...***
 
Changing the rules  during the event is (IMHO) of no value and will hurt the CC and Folding as a whole in the long run. I am saddened to read they did.
 
There are to many variables and internal abilities for every team to have this few of abilities to get points. It needs to be split into Heavy/Middle/Light weight levels.
 
The reason is quite simple. It is absolutely counterproductive to handicap as all that happens is once again two teams go FTW and the rest mingle looking for a spirit to run their systems HARD.
 
As many have said (Including myself) this is not about winning, it is about getting more into the fold for all of man kind.
 
The way to do that in the spirit of a competition, is to have "Like capable" teams go at it.
 
Just stop for one minute and think on this before "Knee jerk" replying... Imagine how awesome it would be to see the lower producing teams go at it, creating a buzz so loud that other teams fight to get in for next years CC. How cool would it be to see 20-30 teams going at it, with 7+ per level?
 
And then one Grand Champion that collected the most points (Not production numbers but actual points like CC is now)
 
I am here because of one member and am darn proud to be a part of this team EVGA and the folding community as a whole.
 
So let's do what other teams have had to do when we crushed them. Take our time to learn, grow, and improve ourselves. Offer ideas, and stay connected with the other teams as we most certainly can see the Captains made a valid attempt to make one level playing field for any team to win it.
 
They too will look at this and change the rules for next year. They too do not like seeing one sided wins. Otherwise why would they have put forth so much effort to make it the way it is today.
 
Let's give them a break, know we are the team owners of the most PPD united team in the world, and be humbled by the desire of other teams to look up to us and want to take us out. That is how legends are made. By staying on top, or replacing them...
 
Two things to remember...

1. Humanity needs more of us.
2. The goal of any competition is not to announce what everyone already knows, but it is to gain more folders to accomplish #1.

 
Thank you for all that you do. Please continue to do so, and God Bless...
 
AB

A lot of interesting and good ideas floating through this thread.  At the moment I am focusing primarily on the current Chimp Challenge as well as some RL issues that I am busy with.  I will be sure to give my input (for whatever its worth) sometime after the CC is over (I believe a lot of others may be in the same boat).
 

I think the concept sounds simply amazing, alas I am no expert on th matter since I have not been in more than one CC. The bigger problem is implementation and wide acceptance. if something (rules in this case) have been the same way for along time then it is normally hard to get people to want to modify the accepted the new norm. but Conceptually I believe the structure is sound. It will take alot of irnioning out the minor details but the structure is in place.
 
nice work on thinking this up. I kinda wondered myself why things were not structured in this way already. I hope to see this evolve into either another contest altogether or make the current CC better.

texinga

This isn't a contest structure thought, but one that we need to make sure is in place so that we have the proper design input.  We need to make sure that our Team is involved in the contest development discussions when they first begin happening.  From what I can tell (and read in places), the CC 2011 design discussions may have started early in 2010.  It appears to me that we got involved in things in December 2010 and I've heard that the CC 2011 design had already been completed.  All our great contest structure ideas are for naught if we don't get notified (and involved) in the CC 2012 development as it is happening.  There should be a set date that development discussions for CC 2012 begins and all Teams should be aware of that date.  If those development discussions requires a Team Captain, then we will know to back up from the development start date date and get a Team Captain in time.

Good points and just want to iron out some thoughts on your understanding..
 
Even us talking right now about CC could be seen by an outsider as we started working on the new rules "Last year" (Thinking we are reading this in 2012).
 
This did not happen as your describing. Conversation just like this certainly did however! But the Rules themselves did not get Started until this year as a serious discussion. I will not put words in our Captains mouth and will let him do that if he so chooses. So I will stop there as he is the one with that knowledge.
 
As an outsider looking in... It is clear that all of the team captains, and potentially those that will be next year, should start this discussion as one team all at the same time. Whenever they think it should start. I would hope if this is the case, that they should ALL be involved in the rules and the vote. This may allow for different experiences to discuss and potential pitfalls. So if there are 10 Captains now, I would think then it would be 10- 20 (Some may stay others may change). Then no team at all can cry as they did a majority vote and we all know how it is going so that we as community members can offer our $.02. Assuming of course they come to us with thoughts and ideas, and not just talk amongst themselves (BTW... I do think they did this and do it regularly).
 
This thread here is intended to be a think tank. Not solve past issues or perceived realities. Not to become the new rules for CC. It is intended to help our community offer thoughts and ideas for any contest. If our CC Captain decides to include any of these ideas from our community towards the discussion amongst the CC team. Cool! Maybe it will spark even better ideas and ways to give 9+ teams a chance @ the CC title next year
 
 

Afterburner, I suggested tiers / divisions last year, because of the different team sizes and how the 2010 CC played out. I think something like you wrote at the begging of this thread is a good start for the captain's discussion.
 
I could also see some two vs one challenge matches. Or setting a special achievement goal in another metric prior to the contest. I think someone said %new folders for a point and another point for every X Million points. I'm sure you could even look at a seeding system and have a series of playoffs to get the ultimate champion. That probably requires too much organization, but if we're going to brainstorm I'll put it out there, in order to have something a bit different on the table.