Who would of thought, armed citizen stopping an active shooter.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

nateman_doo
what stops a guy with a gun?  ANOTHER guy with a gun.  That is why police carry guns.  Nuff said. 

+1

transdogmifier

nateman_doo
what stops a guy with a gun?  ANOTHER guy with a gun.  That is why police carry guns.  Nuff said. 

This....but libs don't use their brains.
 

Liberals have brains?
 
Could have fooled me.
 
I wonder if this story will make MSNBC?

transdogmifier

nateman_doo
what stops a guy with a gun?  ANOTHER guy with a gun.  That is why police carry guns.  Nuff said. 

This....but libs don't use their brains.
 

Whats up with all the liberal comments? Are you a republican commie? I am a liberal with lots of guns that also carries. People like you make me sick. Should keep snide remarks to yourself.
 

*facepalm* Internet has opinions I guess. Frankly I'd be embarrassed to be called either liberal or conservative at this point in the game. Both sides are divisive and angry at the world. Then again, I also think that is the point, because both sides want to disenfranchise the other and don't really care if the world burns in the process. Consider me disenfranchised long ago from either label. Actions speak louder than labels. I considered concealed carry awhile back, but it just seems to be too much of a PITA to deal with. Besides, I spend most of my free time volunteering with my local Civil Air Patrol squadron and we can't carry in any form while in uniform.

Chaos_21
It's always a good thing when lives are saved and injuries are prevented.

I am just sad this will not get the coverage of Orlando/Newtown/VT/etc... because it didnt become one of those.  One concealed carry would have made Orlando just a blip on the 3rd page of the paper, instead of national news.
 
However this is a difference case.  Orlando was going in with the intent to cause mass casualties and was planned.  This was just plain hot-headed violence in a club.  

Since the other thread was locked and I didn't get to respond to this:

Fattysgonewild
Simple. I don't know all the hoopla what they want to do etc. I hate guns myself. At the same time. Cant take them away and they are here to stay. I get the whole hobby thing etc. Great. BUT. Civilians should not have access to military grade weapons such as assault rifles. It still don't matter. They can ban all they want. The bad guys will and continue to get them either way. Let the people that have them now keep them I say. Or make the law so hard and miserable. It would completely discourage people from even wanting or trying to get one. Oh hell. America is to messed up now to even be fixed.

Tell me why you think civilians should not have access to military grade weapons such as assault rifles?  Are we talking about the same AR-15?  That is the same as a 22 long rifle.  Pull the trigger, it shoots.  

 
The above weapon, is the same as the below weapon.  You can do JUST as much damage.  They shoot the same bullet, at the same speed - as fast as you pull the trigger.  Nothing "assault" about it.  It just looks "scary" like the actual M16-M4 Assault rifle which has a burst mode.
 
But you are correct, ban anything and criminals will not hand them over.  So please lets leave politics out of it, but stick with our personal opinions.  

Brad_Hawthorne

bill1024
They want to make a law that anyone on a no-fly list, or on a terrorist watch list can not buy guns.
Thinking about it, that sounds logical.
But thinking about it longer something else comes to mind. If they are too dangerous to fly, aren't they too dangerous to drive?
If they are so dangerous, why don't get them all together and send them to Gitmo down in Cuba.
Send them to Iraq and let ISIL have them.
Why if they are so dangerous, do we let them run loose around the country free to plan an attack.

You can be put on the no-fly list for ANY reason, including someone just doesn't like your politics and wants to spite you. And once you're on it, no way really to get you off of it. That list has been abused more in the last 8 years than in it's whole existence. There are people on that list that have no legal reason to be on it at all. They might share a name with someone else or they might of pissed off a politician somehow. The level of checks and balances and peer-review on that no-fly list needs fixed before they pass that legislation.

+1.... I was going to say something very similar Brad. The way things are going anymore, they want to put people on terrorist lists for having paper money, social media posts or because someone has a grudge and wants to make your life hell. Both lists are a joke and they are run by some very nefarious depts., so at this stage of the game no, these lists should not be used to stop anyone from anything until they get there act together and can properly use it.

We dont need gun control, we need breed control,
 
If you cant be a proper parent, keep your junk in your pants for crying out loud.

BlueHeisenberg

nateman_doo
what stops a guy with a gun? 

A lot of things can stop a guy with a gun actually.  RPG, flail, crossbow, spear, C4, mace, grenade, battle axe, armored car, sword, taser, tank, baseball bat.... really anything that can cause harm.  Guns aren't the only thing.

And on the flip-side of that, nothing keeps someone from terrorizing you with about anything too. Most of the gun terror is media driven. If the media gave this much attention to people being attacked by 10 pound chihuahuas, in the next week you'd see ISIS and Al Quaeda attacking airports with terrorist chihuahuas at the TSA line. Terrorists are not imaginative and they feed off of the media. The greatest example is the beheadings and social media videos posted of it. That would of never gained traction if the media didn't eat that up as content for their 24 hour news cycle content. The media empowers terrorism and gives it a voice.
 
People have gone bats#!t crazy in relation to guns. Take for example all the nonsense over-reaction we have for security at airports now. What we fail to grasp is the intent of all terrorism is to take a concentrated location of people and terrorize them. You could just as soon do that at a Costco. Society misses the whole point. Terrorists are trying to attack our established way of life, while activists and government are attempting to react to that by also attacking our established way of life. Both are attacking society because they do not like some aspect of it. You have to address the ideology that causes these issues or else nothing will change (scratch that word from existence because change does not necessarily imply improvement) come to a productive resolution. 
 
The disingenuous thing about it all is that the government doesn't really care about gun control. They just want to be seen as doing something -- anything -- in an authoritarian manner to make people think they're addressing the controversy (that they and the media created in the first place). The hatred in people's hearts is the most dangerous terrorist weapon in existence. Making it inconvenient to acquire one of the tools they use to enact their hate on the world does not address the core cancer they are to society.

Shockjockey

transdogmifier

nateman_doo
what stops a guy with a gun?  ANOTHER guy with a gun.  That is why police carry guns.  Nuff said. 

This....but libs don't use their brains.
 

Whats up with all the liberal comments? Are you a republican commie? I am a liberal with lots of guns that also carries. People like you make me sick. Should keep snide remarks to yourself.
 

A Republican "Commie"? I think you have your terms mixed...
 
Edit: I do not like liberals ideology. They don't THINK before they DO.
 

nateman_doo
Since the other thread was locked and I didn't get to respond to this:

Fattysgonewild
Simple. I don't know all the hoopla what they want to do etc. I hate guns myself. At the same time. Cant take them away and they are here to stay. I get the whole hobby thing etc. Great. BUT. Civilians should not have access to military grade weapons such as assault rifles. It still don't matter. They can ban all they want. The bad guys will and continue to get them either way. Let the people that have them now keep them I say. Or make the law so hard and miserable. It would completely discourage people from even wanting or trying to get one. Oh hell. America is to messed up now to even be fixed.

Tell me why you think civilians should not have access to military grade weapons such as assault rifles?  Are we talking about the same AR-15?  That is the same as a 22 long rifle.  Pull the trigger, it shoots.  

 
The above weapon, is the same as the below weapon.  You can do JUST as much damage.  They shoot the same bullet, at the same speed - as fast as you pull the trigger.  Nothing "assault" about it.  It just looks "scary" like the actual M16-M4 Assault rifle which has a burst mode.
 
But you are correct, ban anything and criminals will not hand them over.  So please lets leave politics out of it, but stick with our personal opinions.  

+1
 
"assault rifle" -- at best a marketing term --- at its worst a scary name, for "bad" guns 
 
If the second amendment does not apply to currently available firearms; then why should the first amendment apply to radio, TV, or internet ?
 
Remember that the muzzle loaders at the time the amendments were written, was a state of the art military weapon.
 
Does anyone really think another law will really make them safer?  How many thousands of "gun control" laws are current on the books?

Brad_Hawthorne
I think the funny thing ultimately is the average citizen has ZERO idea what gun control laws already exist in their area. They're crying for something they don't know the specifics on and are simply not forming an informed opinion on the matter. Everyone running around like a chicken with their head cut off about guns I'd like to have them sit down and actually read what already exists and then -- after that -- tell me how what is being proposed right now will fix anything currently broken with the system. Unless they can do that and are willing to do that, their opinion is invalid because they've not formed the opinion from due diligence and are merely parroting something fed to them. The worst kind of activist is one that is ill informed and reactionary. They are being played for a fool by people pushing their buttons.

+1K
 
Very well said

Concealed carry didn't help this guy. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/

Brad_Hawthorne

Shockjockey
Concealed carry didn't help this guy. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/

Any time I've been pulled over I already have my license and insurance in my hand and both hands on the wheel. I donno why anyone else wouldn't do the same. Digging around for stuff in your pockets and around a car is just a dumb idea.

+1 agree, documents in hand, hands in full view,
 
First:
This appears to be a tragic set of events that unfolded.
 
Second:
When an officer has their weapon drawn, you should listen carefully to their commands (they are Not Requests)
 
Third:
If in doubt, do not move your hands, keep them in plain view, if officer commands you to move do it in slow motion.