*Club i7 Stability Continuation*

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 08:54:19 (permalink)
Woot!

just put my water cooling loop together and look what happens!

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 09:26:44 (permalink)
dave851 Woot!

just put my water cooling loop together and look what happens!

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 09:43:07 (permalink)
That's my next step. I would like to know how much of a bmp in v-core will i need? i know you can't say for sure but a rough number would be nice. I did have a few leaks but that was me not tighening down the fittings all the way, good thing i leak tested with pc off. as i am new to water cooling is 55C good load temp?
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 09:44:48 (permalink)
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Did ya notice how my 4.420 ghz non Hyper Transport run smoked both of your guys 4.7 something ghz Hyper Transport runs?   bogus.

 
You mean this kind of smoke?
 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 09:57:19 (permalink)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:00:21 (permalink)
Yeppers I seen that as well as you missed my point.  I can kinda see the logic behind that as that test was almost a .1 ghz higher than your 4.74 ghz test but I really can't see the logic behind the 4.42ghz beating out the 4.74ghz test as that is .32 ghz lower.  That was my point as I was comparing my non hyper to your hyper, not my non hyper to your non hyper.  It was purely a observation not a my test is better than your test.  Either way it is loop legged and that is what had me perplexed.  I wonder if it has to do with higher BCLK?  Kinda like the 775 whereas higher FSB with lower mult trumped lower FSB with higher mult in just about every bench.  I didn't think it was like that though with the i7's.  Maybe if you could find a setting where you could run your mult high with lower BCLK and then at the same speed run it with a lower mult but higher BCLK just to see which one finishes faster or if they finish the same?  If you have time.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:14:53 (permalink)
dave851 That's my next step. I would like to know how much of a bmp in v-core will i need? i know you can't say for sure but a rough number would be nice. I did have a few leaks but that was me not tighening down the fittings all the way, good thing i leak tested with pc off. as i am new to water cooling is 55C good load temp?
Gads...your Vcore and Vtt ought to be already high enough for it. 55C is humorous to us Air guys. It's like nothing. Can't really tell how well your cooling rig is operating until you get some Watts pumping through the cpu.

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:18:50 (permalink)
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 That was my point as I was comparing my non hyper to your hyper, not my non hyper to your non hyper.  It was purely a observation not a my test is better than your test.    

 
No worries... I was just having a little fun. 
 
DrNip 

 I wonder if it has to do with higher BCLK? 

 
I still have problems at high clocks with my w3570 which has an unlocked multi whether running a low or high bclk.


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:21:57 (permalink)
No probs.  I will drop my clocks and do a run with 21 mult at 200 BCLK and one with a 20 mult at 210 BCLK and see which one runs faster.  My guess is the higher BCLK one.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:26:10 (permalink)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:29:14 (permalink)
I wish my lil o 920 was unlocked as I too run into high BCLK probs.  No way I would get it stable at 230 BCLK to match your best.  
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:29:40 (permalink)
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OK, I scraped the Hyper Transport as I was getting too many inconsistencies as well as it was just too squirmy with LinX.  I am also starting to think Hyper Transport is a gimmick and you won't see much real world difference with it enabled.  Without it my temps were waaaay cooler, less volts required as well as I was consistent time after time.  Here is my latest run.

Core i7 920 BATCH# 3845B027   
CPU clocked at: 4420.0 MHz     
Voltage: 1.270 idle/1.282 load  
Idle temp: 37,38,36,35   
Load temp: 71,71,67,64 <- Priceless 
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Hyper Transport Off





i see you 160 / 65.1

and lower / raise you a... 153 / 67.8

  [img=http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2682/testinglinx.th.jpg]




didn't have time to let that one play out...just threw it out there on the fly...:)

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I wish my lil o 920 was unlocked as I too run into high BCLK probs.  No way I would get it stable at 230 BCLK to match your best.  

hell, i can't get stable 4 linx past 224, but can boot into windows at 231...damn shame...i really need to seriously work at this.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:35:26 (permalink)
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...although, for the purposes of stability testing, it serves a couple purposes. First, it does help by generating a lot of additional heat which is one difficult hurdle for a stable system to contend with. And, I believe at light speed it does scramble many significant 'states' of the processor that it has to process thereby placing additional performance requirements on the processor, and that is another extreme test for stability. 
 

 
I think it might or might not be a good stability test... I like the heat it creates.... but the bugs or a bit too much... it makes it very difficult to say who really has the best highest stable run.  Where do you draw the line for time and GFlops???  It is just too variable. 
 
I don't think there is a problem with the "HT Off" runs... but I guess we will see when more runs come in from the members here. 
 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:40:24 (permalink)
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I wish my lil o 920 was unlocked as I too run into high BCLK probs.  No way I would get it stable at 230 BCLK to match your best.  


If getting to the higher bclk is the problem... "Johnksss" and "Shock-The-Monkey" have figured out the that problem.  I booted my i7 920 at over 5ghz last night thanks to them!  More IOH VCORE and PCIE... I will try and post the voltages I used later to get there or maybe they can jump in.

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:46:06 (permalink)
good question oc333...i forget...ill get back to that a little later

turn down your volume...i was playing mw2 and watching tv...lol
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 10:58:46 (permalink)
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 i see you 160 / 65.1

and lower / raise you a... 153 / 67.8
didn't have time to let that one play out...just threw it out there on the fly...:)




Well now this just beats all that i have seen.   Starting to think LinX is a gimmick now too!


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:01:16 (permalink)
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DrNip

I wish my lil o 920 was unlocked as I too run into high BCLK probs.  No way I would get it stable at 230 BCLK to match your best.  


If getting to the higher bclk is the problem... "Johnksss" and "Shock-The-Monkey" have figured out the that problem.  I booted my i7 920 at over 5ghz last night thanks to them!  More IOH VCORE and PCIE... I will try and post the voltages I used later to get there or maybe they can jump in.
 


Oh no, no, no.  I'm not having problems with getting high BCLK as you'll see here.


http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=606416   



I need to make a run at it again as I am a lil better now than I was then when I did this.  Here is my secret, the volts I used to get there:

   

 
Getting stable at high BCLK is what I was referring too.  Only one way to find out.  Need to get a little DICE in my life!
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:02:28 (permalink)
yeah, was not going to say anything about his validated high bclk...lol

i seen it the other day.

back when i got *slapped in the face* with using the correct os for the job..haha

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:06:43 (permalink)
Haha.  It wasn't like that man or at least I didn't mean it like that.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:10:04 (permalink)
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Haha.  It wasn't like that man or at least I didn't mean it like that.


lol

nah, im already knowing. you we're totally right....i was just sulking a bit because i totally forgot about it.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:11:21 (permalink)
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grd003 ...although, for the purposes of stability testing, it serves a couple purposes. First, it does help by generating a lot of additional heat which is one difficult hurdle for a stable system to contend with. And, I believe at light speed it does scramble many significant 'states' of the processor that it has to process thereby placing additional performance requirements on the processor, and that is another extreme test for stability. 
 I think it might or might not be a good stability test... I like the heat it creates.... but the bugs or a bit too much... it makes it very difficult to say who really has the best highest stable run.  Where do you draw the line for time and GFlops???  It is just too variable. 
 
I don't think there is a problem with the "HT Off" runs... but I guess we will see when more runs come in from the members here. 
 
*note... I only say this because I am in feirce competition with "awalleyeguy" for the cherished #1 position... LOL. 
Well, I have my 4.4GHz HT Off, On Air run already recorded on page one. But it was trivial and easy to do in that configuration, so I stopped testing for stability that way.  Keep in mind that the CPU has a serious amount of work to do keeping track of the HT hierarchy which adds nothing to the performance of the thing, but it does stress its logic. And, I do run 24/7 with HT off. The stupid stuff adds nothing, and as we see, it may very well reduce the work a chip can do.
 
You guys on super cooling do need a more reliable way to measure performance other than LinX; and that certainly includes recording and displaying memory speed. You should insist on that. I've seen people running at 2:6 11-11-11-33 (or slower) and that may not be fair unless it is stipulated what mem speed is acceptable. What you do is more complicated than simply verifying 4GHz stability which is the raison d'etre of this group.


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:14:52 (permalink)
I made a comment a few pages back about including RAM speeds in the screenshot but nobody took onto it.  I am interested in seeing what people are using.

@johnksss - I always boot at 220 BCLK and use Eleet to get higher.  No need booting any higher than that really.  The 760 can hang if not beat the 759 in BCLK and vise versa.  Pretty much equal in my opinion.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:27:49 (permalink)
i always thought you had to boot high to get to them 5.1's and higher....damn

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 11:31:31 (permalink)
Oh no.  I set my volts and other various settings in BIOS to what I need to get me where I want to go, boot at 220 BCLK and then use Eleet to get me the rest of the way.  Plain and simple.  I do this with every bench.

Here are the rest of my settings used:





The above picture should have QPI Frequency Selection at 4.8 not auto.


As far as RAM settings just depends on the bench.  Usually fast and tight except for CPU-z I run it loose just to take it out of the equation.  Also on the PCIE frequency I only run it that high when going for CPU-z validation.  All other benches are around 5ghz and PCIE around 105-110.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 13:24:51 (permalink)
What you all seem to not understand about LinX is that because of its heavy usage of the CPU any background process, even the smallest one can have an impact on your Gflops and overall times.  Just try and run a piece of software at the same time as running LinX and you will see a noticeable dip in the Gflops and significantly larger time for that run...you may even get the system stuck for a while.  There's nothing wrong with LinX per-say.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 13:48:10 (permalink)
I think it is a problem with ht at higher BCLK not LinX.  Can you guys pin point at what BCLK this starts to happen.

 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 14:02:53 (permalink)

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 14:05:31 (permalink)
If there is no bug with LinX then why is it when you run LinX and you notice the timer freezes does LinX continue to run with full 100% load? I have observered this a number of times and when it does happen, the time duration for the frozen clock is not compensated for and LinX shows a shorter time yet the GFLOPS and CPU speed do not corilate. Also even tho it indicates 100% load, actually only threads 0,1,2,3 are fully loaded while 4,5,6,7 drop in load levels indicated by lower heat produced by cores 2 and 3. Task manager shows 100% on all threads but the level of stress within 100% is not as significant. Much like that or Prime95 is in Blend. Much lower heat produced but still indicates 100% on all threads.

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 14:15:16 (permalink)
I have ran LinX 100-200 times and never once had that happen?

 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/12/09 14:19:30 (permalink)
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OK, I scraped the Hyper Transport as I was getting too many inconsistencies as well as it was just too squirmy with LinX.  I am also starting to think Hyper Transport is a gimmick and you won't see much real world difference with it enabled.  Without it my temps were waaaay cooler, less volts required as well as I was consistent time after time.  Here is my latest run.

Core i7 920 BATCH# 3845B027   
CPU clocked at: 4420.0 MHz     
Voltage: 1.270 idle/1.282 load  
Idle temp: 37,38,36,35   
Load temp: 71,71,67,64 <- Priceless 
Air 
Hyper Transport Off





i see you 160 / 65.1

and lower / raise you a... 153 / 67.8


didn't have time to let that one play out...just threw it out there on the fly...:)

DrNip

I wish my lil o 920 was unlocked as I too run into high BCLK probs.  No way I would get it stable at 230 BCLK to match your best.  

hell, i can't get stable 4 linx past 224, but can boot into windows at 231...damn shame...i really need to seriously work at this.
 


I don't mean to quote pictures and usually don't but I am this time so excuse me.  Upon looking at this further I see you are running Windows 7 or maybe Vista but without all the visuals.  I will disable all my visuals and see if I get the same.

The inconsistencies I had weren't of it pausing or anything like that but different gflops and times.  Now mind you I would start a run and let it run a few times and then stop it.  Then restart it with a totally different gflop and run time.  Nothing changed, nothing running, just start, stop and then start, stop again.  Then I would start it again for it to be running the same as it was two runs before.  I'm talking a difference of 9 gflops and pretty big time difference.



post edited by DrNip - 2009/12/09 14:28:42
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