NazcaC2
Again, we document it all.
 
I'm done here in this thread.  :)

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20
You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.

Except they can NOT hide it from EVGA.  You forget who pays for the server and who has access to everything on the server.  EVGA can see everything the admins do.  And if they are doing something wrong and people brought it to EVGA's attention, EVGA CAN see what happened and take action.  You forget that there are people higher up the food chain than the admins.  I'm pretty sure that EVGA doesn't leave everything with the server up to the admins and wipe their hands clean of it; I would think that EVGA manages their admins and don't let them have free roaming.  We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation (Admins can't crouch in game anymore).  END OF STORY

We have seen?

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20
You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.

Except they can NOT hide it from EVGA.  You forget who pays for the server and who has access to everything on the server.  EVGA can see everything the admins do.  And if they are doing something wrong and people brought it to EVGA's attention, EVGA CAN see what happened and take action.  You forget that there are people higher up the food chain than the admins.  I'm pretty sure that EVGA doesn't leave everything with the server up to the admins and wipe their hands clean of it; I would think that EVGA manages their admins and don't let them have free roaming.  We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation (Admins can't crouch in game anymore).  END OF STORY

We have seen?

Yes we have seen EVGA take action against admins http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-admin-tbaggin-other-players-m2450269.aspx Unless you somehow already forgot about this thread. 

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Don't add material that doesn't involve the situation.

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20
You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.

Except they can NOT hide it from EVGA.  You forget who pays for the server and who has access to everything on the server.  EVGA can see everything the admins do.  And if they are doing something wrong and people brought it to EVGA's attention, EVGA CAN see what happened and take action.  You forget that there are people higher up the food chain than the admins.  I'm pretty sure that EVGA doesn't leave everything with the server up to the admins and wipe their hands clean of it; I would think that EVGA manages their admins and don't let them have free roaming.  We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation (Admins can't crouch in game anymore).  END OF STORY

We have seen?

Yes we have seen EVGA take action against admins http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-admin-tbaggin-other-players-m2450269.aspx Unless you somehow already forgot about this thread. 

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Don't add material that doesn't involve the situation.

Actually it was what you were talking about.  Did you already forget your last post where you asked me "We have seen?" in response to me saying "We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation".  I simply responded back to your post with more information since you somehow forgot about that thread.

UHhhh. I was talking about Corruption... reread my posts
 
wow....

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20
You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.

Except they can NOT hide it from EVGA.  You forget who pays for the server and who has access to everything on the server.  EVGA can see everything the admins do.  And if they are doing something wrong and people brought it to EVGA's attention, EVGA CAN see what happened and take action.  You forget that there are people higher up the food chain than the admins.  I'm pretty sure that EVGA doesn't leave everything with the server up to the admins and wipe their hands clean of it; I would think that EVGA manages their admins and don't let them have free roaming.  We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation (Admins can't crouch in game anymore).  END OF STORY

We have seen?

Yes we have seen EVGA take action against admins http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-admin-tbaggin-other-players-m2450269.aspx Unless you somehow already forgot about this thread. 

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Don't add material that doesn't involve the situation.

Actually it was what you were talking about.  Did you already forget your last post where you asked me "We have seen?" in response to me saying "We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation".  I simply responded back to your post with more information since you somehow forgot about that thread.

UHhhh. I was talking about Corruption... reread my posts
 
wow....

UHhhh.  You are quoted as saying "We have seen?" after my response of "We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation".  You need to reread your own posts
 
wow....

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20

Towlie420

stalinx20
You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.

Except they can NOT hide it from EVGA.  You forget who pays for the server and who has access to everything on the server.  EVGA can see everything the admins do.  And if they are doing something wrong and people brought it to EVGA's attention, EVGA CAN see what happened and take action.  You forget that there are people higher up the food chain than the admins.  I'm pretty sure that EVGA doesn't leave everything with the server up to the admins and wipe their hands clean of it; I would think that EVGA manages their admins and don't let them have free roaming.  We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation (Admins can't crouch in game anymore).  END OF STORY

We have seen?

Yes we have seen EVGA take action against admins http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-admin-tbaggin-other-players-m2450269.aspx Unless you somehow already forgot about this thread. 

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Don't add material that doesn't involve the situation.

Actually it was what you were talking about.  Did you already forget your last post where you asked me "We have seen?" in response to me saying "We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation".  I simply responded back to your post with more information since you somehow forgot about that thread.

UHhhh. I was talking about Corruption... reread my posts
 
wow....

UHhhh.  You are quoted as saying "We have seen?" after my response of "We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation".  You need to reread your own posts
 
wow....

somebody is getting defensive over an admin being corrupt.... Hmmm. you wouldn't happen to be an admin yourself would you? Curious who you might be.

I have been showing the flaws in your logic that you can't prove an admin is corrupt, WHICH YOU CAN.  You for some odd reason think that there is no possible way to when it has already been shown in this thread that you can.  And it has been proven in another thread that EVGA will take action against their admins if they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
 
You have been expressing your opinion and I have been expressing mine.  Why do you get to only express what you feel, but I can't?  If I say something, it's suspicious but it's fine for you to.
 
You are the one who seems really defensive over the admins and for some odd reason think that they are all corrupt when there is zero evidence.... Hmmmm.  You wouldn't happen to be one of the other people who are mad at the admins would you?  Curious who you might be.

Towlie420

stalinx20
I do not participate on the on the servers

That's all I needed to know, thank you.  I'm done here.

st0n3r
The biggest issue is the run around players are given when requesting proof of a violation or reason behind their kick or ban. I was an ACI admin for 3yrs from BFBC2 up through BF3. I ran Procon for 2 years as well. The chat logs are simply that, a text file anyone can edit to show whatever one wants it to show.
 
Admins volunteer for the job, so when they are in an admin role and are enforcing rules, they should be required to screenshot their warnings via procon and the actual scrolling chat in procon. Downloading a log off the server means nothing to the players who dont have access to download the logs themselves and seen that nothing has been altered.
 
The EGC Admins for the most part (not all of them, but a majority) have lost the trust of players. We players dont trust downloaded chat logs no matter how much EVGA or EGC admins say they are unaltered. If you want to end the bickering, trust issues, require that screenshots of the actions / warnings / kicks / bans be taken from within procons windows, not text logs. It also should not fall on the players to PROVE their innocence. We should not be required to hinder our gaming to have video proof of anything. EVGA / EGC should provide video / screen shots proving the violations.

st0n3r

EVGATech_ChrisB
st0n3r,
 
I am not sure why you feel that you cannot trust the information that the server is logging as clear evidence of the violation or why the violation is even in question.  I also am not sure how a screenshot will help as everyone knows these can be edited just as well as a text log can be, but the truth is that we do not edit this information and if there is a mistake then we would adjust the action and notify the user as well as work with the Admin.  
 
The simple fact is that trust must start from somewhere and if there are people trying to change this then I am sorry, but the facts are the facts and if you or anyone else breaks the rules then they will have possible consequences.  If you do not agree with the rule that caused the action then we can discuss this by emailing EGC@EVGA.com or posting to this forum, but the EGC Game Admins are not on trial here and will not be treated as such.
 
I recommend that the people joining the games with the intent to cause trouble and then post on the forums saying Admin abuse should consider stopping, as the simple truth is that the Game Admins are simply enforcing the rules and trying to make it a good gaming atmosphere for everyone else playing.
 
If anyone has a concern with a recent action then you are welcome to email egc@evga.com and we will review it.  This does not mean that we will override it and I assure you that we will not need any evidence of this from the user.  We only ask that if someone wants to try and claim Admin abuse then that person shows evidence of this so that we can investigate.
 
 

 
I agree with you, chat logs are most likely not altered because the Admins know the true logs are still there. However, with the lack of trust between players and admins some may still feel that way.
 
Yes, screenshots can be altered, however its a bit more difficult to alter those than it is to add / subtract some lines of text. Again, I have never seen it done and doubt it has, but the lack of trust in the community makes it a potential issue.
 
I am just trying to find solutions for everyone. Personally I feel there are too many rules on the server to begin with. A slip of a curse word i dont mind, ragging on someone you are owning i dont mind. When players get singled out repeatedly, or kicked from the server for a single non-threatening, non-racial comment its nitpicking. I understand EVGA wanting it to be a "family atmosphere" for some odd reason and trying to keep it clean. Its their server, their rules. However too many rules and too many people who enforce them differently. Some admins never say a word when a person just pops out with the holy f-word followed by nice / amazing shot etc. Then you have others who immediately go to yelling server wide in chat with threats to kick if language keeps up, as if its a non-stop ongoing thing. The rules on camping / baserape / uncap also. If certain admins are on, they sit right there 1/2 step out of restricted zones and go to town, or pop in and out just enough to say "Im not in X spot".
 
I want the server to flourish as it use to be. Id love to WANT to hop on outside of gaming events to play with folks from the community here. Id also love to see some ping restrictions put in place because a 500 ping player against me who has about a 14 ping is handicapped beyond play-ability and fairness. I know the rules are there so its open for everyone to play, but with other servers available closer to them they should really play there.  Its little things that add up which makes it an undesirable place to relax and have fun.

EVGATech_MDecker
 
There is no lack of trust. This is an imaginary statement that is only backed by a select few people. The majority of the EVGA gaming server players understand and follow the rules, they also take their kicks and bans on the chin if they break those rules.

BizSAR
Some of the same rules apply to many other servers, and not just BF4. Try a clan server with active admins and see how far you get spouting racial slurs and expletives...camping spawn, etc.

EVGATech_EddieH
st0n3r,
 
We do appreciate the feedback and suggestions.  As we have mentioned before, feedback from our community is always welcome, and I would definitely suggest sending that over to us via the EGC@EVGA.com email, so that we can further review it.  Although, I cannot promise that all suggestions will or can be implemented, all feedback is reviewed by the inhouse EGC team to the fullest extent.  I hope that anyone else with feedback or suggestions, does take advantage of emailing us at EGC@EVGA.com 
 
_Eddie

BizSAR
Some of the same rules apply to many other servers, and not just BF4. Try a clan server with active admins and see how far you get spouting racial slurs and expletives...camping spawn, etc.