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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 10:44:31 (permalink)
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WHen the victim who was kicked on "accident" tries to come back in, I pray his spot is still available...

Has anyone been kicked on "accident" like you keep saying?  Or are you just talking hypothetically?


you can't prove it. lol. you need to reread what i'm typing sir.
If I am speaking hypothetically, let's pray that nobody does this, because it can definitely happen easily without anybody really noticing.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 10:49:25 (permalink)
If this is something that happens like once a month, then you are technically right, I'm not sure where you are trying to go with this though.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 10:57:57 (permalink)
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If this is something that happens like once a month, then you are technically right, I'm not sure where you are trying to go with this though.


Nowhere actually. Just I see where an admin has "opportunity" to try and make his team win, that is all.
 However, I can see it happening more than once a month.
 
Are admins allowed to participate in gaming events? If so, then I rest my case.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 11:07:06 (permalink)
They are not, the outcome of a game doesnt impact your chance to win either since its purely based around your playtime.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 11:13:11 (permalink)
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WHen the victim who was kicked on "accident" tries to come back in, I pray his spot is still available...

Has anyone been kicked on "accident" like you keep saying?  Or are you just talking hypothetically?

you can't prove it. lol. you need to reread what i'm typing sir.
If I am speaking hypothetically, let's pray that nobody does this, because it can definitely happen easily without anybody really noticing.

And you need to reread what I'm typing sir.  I simply asked if this is just all hypothetical or of you have actually seen someone get kicked on "accident" like you keep on saying.
 
And it would only go unnoticed if theses "victims" say absolutely nothing about it.  If this was happening and someone made a post about it, it would not go unnoticed.
 
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Nowhere actually. Just I see where an admin has "opportunity" to try and make his team win, that is all.
 However, I can see it happening more than once a month.

Well technically the admin has the opportunity to do LOTS of bad things.  That doesn't mean that they do.  They have the opportunity to kick, ban, kill a soldier; but that doesn't automatically make them corrupt.  Just like every single player has the opportunity to buy and use hacks.  Does that mean they do?  No.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 11:22:43 (permalink)
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And you need to reread what I'm typing sir.  I simply asked if this is just all hypothetical or of you have actually seen someone get kicked on "accident" like you keep on saying.
 
And it would only go unnoticed if theses "victims" say absolutely nothing about it.  If this was happening and someone made a post about it, it would not go unnoticed.

All speculation. No proof it exists, and no proof it does not exist. You also cannot prove it. Not quite sure why you're not understand that part...
 
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Well technically the admin has the opportunity to do LOTS of bad things.  That doesn't mean that they do.  They have the opportunity to kick, ban, kill a soldier; but that doesn't automatically make them corrupt.  Just like every single player has the opportunity to buy and use hacks.  Does that mean they do?  No.


Then I guess all admins are "loyal" and follow all rules. We hope so right? That's what you're saying correct? I agree, I hope so as well.
 
Off the record, Towlie, I will applaud you for doing a magnificent job at defending, because it seems every time someone brings up or mentions about an admin, you're the first on the front lines to defend them. You also defended that no admin would do such a thing regarding the mistake to "accidentally" kick a user that's making their team win, and making the admin's team lose. Curiosity has sparked my interests. I don't mean anything by this. It just looks really weird that you're always "there".
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:11:59 (permalink)
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All speculation. No proof it exists.  Not quite sure why you're not understand that part...

Thank you, that's all I was asking, not quite sure why you weren't understanding that part...
 
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Then I guess all admins are "loyal" and follow all rules. We hope so right? That's what you're saying correct? I agree, I hope so as well.
 
Off the record, Towlie, I will applaud you for doing a magnificent job at defending, because it seems every time someone brings up or mentions about an admin, you're the first on the front lines to defend them. You also defended that no admin would do such a thing regarding the mistake to "accidentally" kick a user that's making their team win, and making the admin's team lose. Curiosity has sparked my interests. I don't mean anything by this. It just looks really weird that you're always "there".

Yes, we hope that admins are loyal and follow the rules.  I am a firm believer in the Presumption of Innocence.  That is you are innocent until proven guilty, as in the burden of proof is on the one who proclaims wrong doing, not on the one who is being accused.  Would you want to live in a country that believed you were a criminal just because your neighbor was angry at you and told a lie?  So I'm not really defending anyone, I'm simply trying to look at all of the evidence (still haven't seen any) before I cast a guilty verdict on someone.  And I never said that no admin would ever do such a thing (I think you need to reread my posts).  I said that I haven't seen anything of the sorts these past two events and was asking if this was a real problem that you have seen since you keep bringing it up (not sure why you aren't understanding that point).  And I've been posting because I have been seeing the opposite while playing in the game servers.  I've been having fun, following the rules and actually playing (who would have thought to actually play the game?).  I enjoy when the admins do kick the immature people in chat, it makes the server a better place to play in.  I am simply voicing my opinion of what I've seen in the server like others have been doing, I have the right to do that.  Not sure why that looks so weird.  These people are always "here" complaining about rules instead of playing the game and following the rules, that looks more weird to me.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:17:27 (permalink)
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All speculation. No proof it exists.  Not quite sure why you're not understand that part...

Thank you, that's all I was asking, not quite sure why you weren't understanding that part...
 
stalinx20
Then I guess all admins are "loyal" and follow all rules. We hope so right? That's what you're saying correct? I agree, I hope so as well.
 
Off the record, Towlie, I will applaud you for doing a magnificent job at defending, because it seems every time someone brings up or mentions about an admin, you're the first on the front lines to defend them. You also defended that no admin would do such a thing regarding the mistake to "accidentally" kick a user that's making their team win, and making the admin's team lose. Curiosity has sparked my interests. I don't mean anything by this. It just looks really weird that you're always "there".

Yes, we hope that admins are loyal and follow the rules.  I am a firm believer in the Presumption of Innocence.  That is you are innocent until proven guilty, as in the burden of proof is on the one who proclaims wrong doing, not on the one who is being accused.  Would you want to live in a country that believed you were a criminal just because your neighbor was angry at you and told a lie?  So I'm not really defending anyone, I'm simply trying to look at all of the evidence (still haven't seen any) before I cast a guilty verdict on someone.  And I never said that no admin would ever do such a thing (I think you need to reread my posts).  I said that I haven't seen anything of the sorts these past two events and was asking if this was a real problem that you have seen since you keep bringing it up (not sure why you aren't understanding that point).  And I've been posting because I have been seeing the opposite while playing in the game servers.  I've been having fun, following the rules and actually playing (who would have thought to actually play the game?).  I enjoy when the admins do kick the immature people in chat, it makes the server a better place to play in.  I am simply voicing my opinion of what I've seen in the server like others have been doing, I have the right to do that.  Not sure why that looks so weird.  These people are always "here" complaining about rules instead of playing the game and following the rules, that looks more weird to me.


I hear you when it comes to people complaining and not keeping quiet while gaming... Going back to the instance I'm talking about, there is no evidence, because it cannot be found. This is the point I'm making. We might as well just drop the subject because there is no way any points can be proven, no data/information can be shown to prove it, and vise versa, no evidence to show it doesn't happen either. No way anyone can find anything on it, not even an EVGA rep. No information can link an admin showing any signs that he can kick a user freely to make an admin's team win. You'd be surprised how far someone would go, even with it so miniscule. Granted, it's just a game.
 
Of course, what I am speaking of is something that could happen, and it couldn't be caught.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:23:13 (permalink)
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Going back to the instance I'm talking about, there is no evidence, because it cannot be found. This is the point I'm making. We might as well just drop the subject because there is no way any points can be proven, no data/information can be shown to prove it, and vise versa, no evidence to show it doesn't happen either. No way anyone can find anything on it, not even an EVGA rep. No information can link an admin showing any signs that he can kick a user freely to make an admin's team win. You'd be surprised how far someone would go, even with it so miniscule. Granted, it's just a game.

If it did happen, you could ask for the reason of the kick.  If the admin has no reason for the kick, then BAM, there is your evidence.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:28:23 (permalink)
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Going back to the instance I'm talking about, there is no evidence, because it cannot be found. This is the point I'm making. We might as well just drop the subject because there is no way any points can be proven, no data/information can be shown to prove it, and vise versa, no evidence to show it doesn't happen either. No way anyone can find anything on it, not even an EVGA rep. No information can link an admin showing any signs that he can kick a user freely to make an admin's team win. You'd be surprised how far someone would go, even with it so miniscule. Granted, it's just a game.

If it did happen, you could ask for the reason of the kick.  If the admin has no reason for the kick, then BAM, there is your evidence.


How is that evidence? Just a simple apology that it was a mistake, and it was the wrong person. THat doesn't prove anything.
 Don't be so naïve.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:31:22 (permalink)
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How is that evidence? Just a simple apology that it was a mistake, and it was the wrong person. THat doesn't prove anything.

Because you now have evidence that the admin kicked for no reason (which is what you were looking for).  It proves that the admin was in the wrong.  And then you can take it up with EVGA to get it sorted out and get it recorded so it doesn't happen again.
 
Edit: You asked for how to collect evidence.  I gave a way to do so.  Not trying to get into an argument so ending it here.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:32:50 (permalink)
Because... we log all of the reasons why people were kicked, muted, banned, etc..  You wanted proof - there is the evidence.  You said it couldn't be done.  It has nothing to do with being naive.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:36:09 (permalink)
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take it up with EVGA to get it sorted out and get it recorded so it doesn't happen again.

Look at the bold section that he said.  That right there would help prove if something truly was going down.  If these people were being kicked for no reason and were bringing it to EVGA's attention, they would be able to see how often this is happening.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:39:33 (permalink)
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Going back to the instance I'm talking about, there is no evidence, because it cannot be found. This is the point I'm making. We might as well just drop the subject because there is no way any points can be proven, no data/information can be shown to prove it, and vise versa, no evidence to show it doesn't happen either. No way anyone can find anything on it, not even an EVGA rep. No information can link an admin showing any signs that he can kick a user freely to make an admin's team win. You'd be surprised how far someone would go, even with it so miniscule. Granted, it's just a game.

If it did happen, you could ask for the reason of the kick.  If the admin has no reason for the kick, then BAM, there is your evidence.


Coming from someone who is already an admin sir. While I do appreciate your concern, and to assure everybody that it can "easily" be caught, I highly doubt you can prove such actions. The fact that an admin kicked a person shows no "bam" at all. That is not evidence. There are countless reasons that an admin can use to kick someone. And the one excuse he can use is that it was a mistake. Perhaps the admin does not do it on the same person but on a different person daily? Lol....

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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:45:35 (permalink)
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Coming from someone who is already an admin sir. While I do appreciate your concern, and to assure everybody that it can "easily" be caught, I highly doubt you can prove such actions. The fact that an admin kicked a person shows no "bam" at all. That is not evidence. There are countless reasons that an admin can use to kick someone. And the one excuse he can use is that it was a mistake. Perhaps the admin does not do it on the same person but on a different person daily? Lol....

The fact that the admin kicked a person for no reason IS EVIDENCE (don't know why you are saying it isn't).  And if the admin WAS doing it daily to a different person, there STILL would be evidence from everyone that he kicked for no reason.  And if they all reported it to EVGA and had it recorded, that is A LOT of evidence against the admin.  You keep saying that there is no possible way to catch corrupt admins, but there are.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:46:05 (permalink)
Typically, we write down what was said in our logs as well.  So, there's your extra proof, since you're asking for it.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 12:59:44 (permalink)
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Typically, we write down what was said in our logs as well.  So, there's your extra proof, since you're asking for it.


"We" "write" down what was said? That's interesting enough. Not because it gets any admin out of the water either.

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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:06:06 (permalink)
If you don't believe us, that's your choice.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:07:32 (permalink)
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Typically, we write down what was said in our logs as well.  So, there's your extra proof, since you're asking for it.


"We" "write" down what was said? That's interesting enough. Not because it gets any admin out of the water either.


Why don't the just screen shot the chatlogs and provide them as evidence if the kick/ban is questioned? I've never actually heard or seen them provide photographic proof, its always just copy and paste.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:12:24 (permalink)
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If you don't believe us, that's your choice.


Exactly, and you can make it seem as legit as possible too. Congrats with that, btw.

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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:13:34 (permalink)
Thank you.  And, it doesn't matter if you don't believe us, because we are the admins and we have the proof.  We're used to people in the wrong trying to point out that it's not their fault.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:14:15 (permalink)
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Exactly, and you can make it seem as legit as possible too. Congrats with that, btw.

I guess you just believe everybody is guilty until proven innocent which is a bad way to look at life.  (I also hope you never become a judge for that matter)
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:19:29 (permalink)
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Thank you.  And, it doesn't matter if you don't believe us, because we are the admins and we have the proof.


Wow. It doesn't matter what you believe because we are admins so we have "proof" that we won't show. I don't know if its intended but it sure comes off like admins are tinpot dictators.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:27:57 (permalink)
My point is:  even when we have proof, the public will never believe us because they'll continuously try and say it didn't happen.  That's why it's not up to you, we don't trust you, you're just another person trying to go around the rules.  We are trustworthy at the admin level (not up to you) and it's very common for a player who have had repeat issues here to dispute things (repeat offender).  We constantly see people try and get away with things that they've done by disputing their actions as they attempt to be good and try to make the admin's actions seem bad.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:28:27 (permalink)
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Thank you.  And, it doesn't matter if you don't believe us, because we are the admins and we have the proof.  We're used to people in the wrong trying to point out that it's not their fault.


Dude.
You can say that all flipping day. It doesn't change the fact that things can be thrown under the rug.
 
You're an admin... and?
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:29:19 (permalink)
Read my post above yours.  End of story.
 
Edit:  Yeah, we're not politicians.  Nice try, I saw your deleted part.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:30:43 (permalink)
I've been kicked once from an EGC server.  We were all in a teamspeak, and were screwing around in BF4.  We were all having a great time, laughing, and I was going super negative.  Sinned kicked me and laughed, I laughed, the toaster laughed.  Actually, I requested to be kicked, lol.  The only problem I had was with some guy base raping.  That was taken care of right away.  I want to say every time I have played with sinned and manbear, we had a great time.  I played with them quite often as well.  Arctic, I understand your concern, I really do.  I just think your time is more valuable.  I will say however, people are quick to critique Arctic.  They read and might hear what is being said, but they aren't listening.  Arctic and Msim usually bring up valid points, and make legitimate complaints.  In fact, Msim had a hand in making EGC great (when it was great).  Instead of critiquing them (towlie), you should listen and provide constructive feedback.  Good day to all of you fine gentlemen!  
 
EDIT: Lets not bring up the justice system, especially if you have no clue how it really works.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:31:04 (permalink)
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Read my post above yours.  End of story.
 
Edit:  Yeah, we're not politicians.  Nice try.


You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.
 
Edit: Yeah, Politicians hide things too. Nice try as well.
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:36:20 (permalink)
Again, we document it all.
 
I'm done here in this thread.  :)
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Re: Close the EGC section 2016/03/30 13:38:26 (permalink)
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You dodged everything I was talking about in your statement. The end of story is you and every other admin out there can hide it when they kick someone. END OF STORY.

Except they can NOT hide it from EVGA.  You forget who pays for the server and who has access to everything on the server.  EVGA can see everything the admins do.  And if they are doing something wrong and people brought it to EVGA's attention, EVGA CAN see what happened and take action.  You forget that there are people higher up the food chain than the admins.  I'm pretty sure that EVGA doesn't leave everything with the server up to the admins and wipe their hands clean of it; I would think that EVGA manages their admins and don't let them have free roaming.  We have seen EVGA take action on admins when someone brings up a situation (Admins can't crouch in game anymore).  END OF STORY
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