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2014/09/01 07:28:44 (permalink)
Early Poll to see what people are thinking between the 2, both loaded with top CPU.
 
The Contenders:
Classified X99 w/ i7 -5960x      vs.     Classified Z97 w/ i7-4790K
The Application:
Gaming Performance (FPS)
 
 
The Anticipated Winner?

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 07:44:10 (permalink)
    for pure gaming the z97 would be better, from what we have seen most 5960x chips top out at around 4.5 ghz, while the 4790k starts at 4.4ghz with headroom on most chips to 4.6 to 4.8.
     
    "but you cant just look at core speed derp derp derp, the 5960x has MOAR COARZ!!!1"  yeah thats fine and all, too bad 99% of games still only use one core when playing because most devs are lazy and cant program their way out of a unlocked bathroom stall.
     
    The only reason to go 5960x over 4790k is if you have 3 or more gpus for more pci-e lanes.

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 08:16:27 (permalink)
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    The only reason to go 5960x over 4790k is if you have 3 or more gpus for more pci-e lanes.




    Yep, Since I mainly indulge in Overclocking/Benchmarking with 4-Way SLI, That is Exactly Why I went with the 5960X. 

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 10:06:56 (permalink)
    For pure gaming. 4790k. Faster single thread performance.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 12:15:07 (permalink)
    The ultimate test would be to pair a 3- or 4-way SLI/CFX setup with either Z97 and X99, both with PLX chipsets to force all graphics cards to run x16.  Both processors need the same CPU and RAM frequencies, same game at the same resolution/detail settings to see if there is a difference.  Two DDR4 DIMMS would be needed to force dual-channel so X99 doesn't have an unfair advantage, we're testing the CPU and nothing else.  Haswell and Haswell-E are the same architecture, a different socket won't change the IPC (instructions per clock)-- but there will still be a discrepancy in results due to L3 cache memory.
     
    Ever since Nehalem, Intel created a level 3 cache memory that is shared for all CPU cores, so if only one is being used, it has access to all the memory.  This is how a high-end CPU wins over a Celeron in single-threaded apps, i.e. the SuperPI benchmark, with having more cache per core when less cores are active.  The cache runs as fast as the CPU, so higher bandwidth and lower latency than system RAM.
     
    The Haswell quad-cores in LGA1150 have 8MB w/HT and 6MB w/o HT, so performance between is negligible, all things set equal-- but the 8-core has access to 20MB, and the upcoming $4k 18-core Haswell-EP Xeon has access to 45MB of L3 cache memory.  For programs that have a lot of tasks and processes, it is better to have more cache memory even if you're not using all the cores.  What kind of a boost are we talking about?  All things equal, per conditions of the above 'ultimate test', 20MB against 8MB is around a 10% difference (sixth root of 2.5).  It isn't meant to be very high, games don't have many internal tasks and processes.
     
    SzegedThe only reason to go 5960x over 4790k is if you have 3 or more gpus for more pci-e lanes.
    That is not entirely accurate, and has mainly to do with the rest of your reply.  Look at it logically:  If game developers are lazy enough to not code for more cores, then why would they only code for more core when more GPUs are present?  Within a few years, a future single-GPU card will perform like our multi-GPU setups of today, will the game discriminate and only engage a few CPU cores with the faster single-GPU card?  No, because as you said, game devs are lazy, they haven't created a loophole that bypasses their own laziness.
     
     
    Besides, game developers are not really lazy.  The idea of any business is to net the most sales; in the case of games, most people don't get the best hardware for a PC game.  Games are optimized for the hardware that most people own, which are single-GPU cards and either quad-cores or dual-cores with HT.  If games are coded for more cores and more GPUs, while to an enthusiast it would be incentive to buy more hardware, most people don't want to upgrade just for game = no return on investment since enthusiasts are a minority and don't represent all PC gamers.  Most gamers don't overclock, so they aren't getting K processors either.
     

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 13:00:50 (permalink)
    For pure gaming I think same you will get for now more fps from 4970K.
    But for 2-3 way SLI I'm not sure, you saw results of i7-5960X in tests... Devil, real Devil. 
    Long term advantage of X99 is huge. I would feel bad to pay DDR3 RAM now at this moment.
    We talk about very little difference, that's not 55fps in Crysis 3 and 60fps.
    We talk about some very small numbers example 115 vs 113fps, 150 vs 149fps.
    Everything else is on side of X99, 6 cores, better OC 100%, DDR4 speed on market will grow as Mushroom after rain, and price will drop and drop first for 2133MHz, than for 2400MHz, than for 2666MHz,...very fast and owners could sit, look, save money for other stuff and wait 2-3 years when Intel optmize and bring mainstream on same level you need to touch nothing except choose M.2 device.
    We should see results of i7-5820K on 4.2-4.5GHz faced with i7-4970K with Turbo Enabled, DDR3 2666MHz vs DDR4 2666MHz...
    Card should be Titan Black and SLI. There are other advantages as facts that you pay only more for DDR4 if you choose Top Z97 platform and other things example better heat transfer on Extreme Processors for waterblock in similar stuff who sit almost for nothing on 4770K.
    Resulsts are 10% difference from AIO system in higher OC because bad heat transfer.
    That;s Intel and we need to escape from mainstream, He we always made two chipsets for tick and two chipsets for tock.
    Or more, last time he give Z68 Gen 3 and 100MHz better CPU 2700K, now he with intention leave space for 500MHz faster CPU on same architecture, same generation, revision, but new chipset and everything new and he will continue to do such things... 
    I only ask how 4770K struggle on 4.3GHz and 4790K have Turbo on 4.5GHz, because Intel don't care for mainstream and for OC on that was as Extreme. Three words for everybody who is close to build something with i7-5820K and have 10% chance for Xtreme.
    Abandon Mainstream Ship! And 2-3 chipsets for every architecture, 3 for 20 months, that's record for now I think.
    For 20 months mainstream will still not be on X level, Intel will offer 2-3 more chipsets before can use DDR4. 
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 14:48:30 (permalink)
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    For pure gaming. 4790k. Faster single thread performance.



    Not really.. only because of the higher clock speed. Have a 5820k here that's stable at 4.6Ghz on 1.21v and my firestrike is much higher than my 4770k was at 4.6ghz.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 15:50:59 (permalink)
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    For pure gaming. 4790k. Faster single thread performance.



    Have a 5820k here that's stable at 4.6Ghz on 1.21v and my firestrike is much higher than my 4770k was at 4.6ghz.



    Is it stable in Prime95 on 4.5GHz ?
    To be honest I would OC on 4.0GHz.
    Someone say that's different architecture and speed is not directly comparable.
    What happen in single core, did you check CINEBENCH R15 difference?
     

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 15:58:08 (permalink)
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    For pure gaming. 4790k. Faster single thread performance.



    Not really.. only because of the higher clock speed. Have a 5820k here that's stable at 4.6Ghz on 1.21v and my firestrike is much higher than my 4770k was at 4.6ghz.




     
    That's because 3dmark is optimized to use all cores unlike games. A 4790k at 4.6ghz vs a 4.6ghz 5960x will perform the same in games.
     
    3dmark is not indicative of actual gaming.

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/01 22:13:16 (permalink)
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    For pure gaming. 4790k. Faster single thread performance.



    Not really.. only because of the higher clock speed. Have a 5820k here that's stable at 4.6Ghz on 1.21v and my firestrike is much higher than my 4770k was at 4.6ghz.




     
    That's because 3dmark is optimized to use all cores unlike games. A 4790k at 4.6ghz vs a 4.6ghz 5960x will perform the same in games.
     
    3dmark is not indicative of actual gaming.


    Also the question was asked "between a 4790k and a 5960x". Anandtec did a good review on all 3 x99 CPUs. The 4790k won all the single thread applications, or most of them I don't remember. I do agree a 5820k and a 4790k will be within a margin of error at the same clock speeds. When it come to the physics test in 3d mark in fire strike my OCed i7 920 at 3.8ghz is 9445. Now this is with HT on. When HT is off I get around 7000.

    Hey water if u could I would love to see some of your benchmarks. We need an. X99 benchmark thread going. :)
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/02 07:58:32 (permalink)
    4790k.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/02 12:13:03 (permalink)
    Its shown that the z87/z97 chipsets with a 4779k/4790k will perform on par or a bit better than the x99/ 6 and 8 core processors in single and 2 way sli configs.
     
    x99 overall is a lot more money with literally 0 gains for gaming over z87 or z97 setups.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/02 22:59:36 (permalink)
    Hmm
     
    post edited by Nouskers - 2014/09/21 04:26:48
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/03 00:01:28 (permalink)
    What happen here ?
     
     

     
    I really want to go with a X99 Classified in my new system, but EVGA must do something with the X99 Classified BIOS or i will go with ASUS hardware
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/03 01:01:25 (permalink)
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    What happen here ?
     
     

     
    I really want to go with a X99 Classified in my new system, but EVGA must do something with the X99 Classified BIOS or i will go with ASUS hardware


    what's wrong with the bios. people havr been getting good overclocks with the classified and reviews have said they are pretty good and easy to use?
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/03 01:01:31 (permalink)
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    What happen here ?
     
     

     
    I really want to go with a X99 Classified in my new system, but EVGA must do something with the X99 Classified BIOS or i will go with ASUS hardware


    what's wrong with the bios. people havr been getting good overclocks with the classified and reviews have said they are pretty good and easy to use?
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/03 03:38:04 (permalink)
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    I'm seeing major FPS improvements in TR3, Far Cry 4, BF4, Sleeping dogs, Titanfall, Hardline - after switching from a 4770k @ 4.6Ghz to a 5820k @ 4.5ghz and I haven't even tweaked it yet or gone higher. Prime stable for over 24hours. 1.23 voltage and all cores are under 63*C.
     
    Will shoot for 4.7Ghz later today. I don't know if all of those games utilize 6 cores or more, but theres really no doubt my FPS is 15+ % improved. BF4 being the greatest improvement, maxed settings on 1080p alone I'm over 320FPS now, where as I was around 240 before.
     


    Not sure how you are getting 320 or 240 on BF4 as the frame rate of the game itself is limited to 200 maximum and nothing more. I have run 2 and 3 way SLI 780ti on Ultra and high and it sets at 200 and goes no higher ever.

    If you are referring to the fps of other games, then it is just confusion, but that statement looks like you are saying a game that is max limited is getting almost 1.5 times it's max.

    If you are able to *break* past the game limited max, you should record and post to YouTube as I have yet to see that.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/03 05:30:37 (permalink)
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    I'm seeing major FPS improvements in TR3, Far Cry 4, BF4, Sleeping dogs, Titanfall, Hardline - after switching from a 4770k @ 4.6Ghz to a 5820k @ 4.5ghz and I haven't even tweaked it yet or gone higher. Prime stable for over 24hours. 1.23 voltage and all cores are under 63*C.
     
    Will shoot for 4.7Ghz later today. I don't know if all of those games utilize 6 cores or more, but theres really no doubt my FPS is 15+ % improved. BF4 being the greatest improvement, maxed settings on 1080p alone I'm over 320FPS now, where as I was around 240 before.
     


    Then there is user error somewhere in the pipeline.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/08 07:28:09 (permalink)
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    Its shown that the z87/z97 chipsets with a 4779k/4790k will perform on par or a bit better than the x99/ 6 and 8 core processors in single and 2 way sli configs.
     
    x99 overall is a lot more money with literally 0 gains for gaming over z87 or z97 setups.


    4790 is a great cpu no doubt about it, but if you do a bit of a twitch streaming or recording while you game, that's where 6 core shines and that's where 4790 starts to crapout...


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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/08 07:31:56 (permalink)
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    I'm seeing major FPS improvements in TR3, Far Cry 4, BF4, Sleeping dogs, Titanfall, Hardline - after switching from a 4770k @ 4.6Ghz to a 5820k @ 4.5ghz and I haven't even tweaked it yet or gone higher. Prime stable for over 24hours. 1.23 voltage and all cores are under 63*C.
     
    Will shoot for 4.7Ghz later today. I don't know if all of those games utilize 6 cores or more, but theres really no doubt my FPS is 15+ % improved. BF4 being the greatest improvement, maxed settings on 1080p alone I'm over 320FPS now, where as I was around 240 before.
     


    Not sure how you are getting 320 or 240 on BF4 as the frame rate of the game itself is limited to 200 maximum and nothing more. I have run 2 and 3 way SLI 780ti on Ultra and high and it sets at 200 and goes no higher ever.

    If you are referring to the fps of other games, then it is just confusion, but that statement looks like you are saying a game that is max limited is getting almost 1.5 times it's max.

    If you are able to *break* past the game limited max, you should record and post to YouTube as I have yet to see that.

    Add the command: Gametime.MaxVariableFPS 0 to Unlock the FPS cap that FB3 engine has. Try it in game or add to user.cfg. ;) 

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/08 09:48:37 (permalink)
    Clock for clock isn't Haswell-E 10% faster? 10% is not worth it for bang for the buck at this present moment but when it comes time to upgrade you may be in a better position with x99.  NO?

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/08 09:58:06 (permalink)
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    Add the command: Gametime.MaxVariableFPS 0 to Unlock the FPS cap that FB3 engine has. Try it in game or add to user.cfg. ;) 


    I may have to load this to try it out again, :-). Thanks for sharing that.
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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/08 21:22:49 (permalink)
    Portal 2 yeilds 481 FPS at 1600x2560.  Just in case anyone was wondering.

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    Re: Classified X99 vs. Classified Z97 (Gaming Performance FPS) 2014/09/10 14:34:28 (permalink)
     
    kesnik10% is not worth it for bang for the buck at this present moment...
    Everything is relative, you can either have use now or use later; most getting Haswell-E happen to have use now, thus worth their investment.  You can use it for later as long as you accept the minimal gains now, but that is a risk since you're waiting for mainstream to catch up, and that can take longer than X99 will last.   Anyone that bandwagoned onto Core 2 Quads back in 2006 certain got their investment, but even if they were overclocked to 4.5GHz, nowadays they are beaten by stock Core i3 dual-cores.  The stronger architecture makes up for having less cores.  This would be a reason to not give mainstream more cores, and isolate that feature to high-end.

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