Many of us have said the same thing and we support you! Now where did I place my good manners keyboard... It is laying around here somewhere...

I do feel the need to add. I did ask in post # one, and I quote...

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The rules...  

• Always keep in mind the idea of the CC is to grow our team and other teams as we raise awareness to what Folding is. It is not about winning! However that can be "Part" of why we do it, it is not the only "Reason" to do it.
• Post ONLY if you can start and follow through with an "Agree to Disagree" / "Constructive" comment, topic, discussion or response.
• Any bickering or bantering, or even deliberate acts of pushing the "Spirit" of these rules will result in those posts being deleted.
• We are looking for all to feel safe and free to offer their own thoughts/feelings on this topic. 
• If you have a complaint/or have an issue with a part of the contest, great! We ask that you at least offer a solution to your complaint/issue in the same post you make to offer the complaint. Or two! 
• Any EVGA member is welcomed to comment, regardless of their level of production, new, old, past, never have folded. It simply does not matter. Some of the best conversations, ideas come from those that once folded or never have.
• All rules are subject to change as time allows, because Stone Cold Said So... 

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And many of us have followed it. The problem is when an outside person is Pompous in communicating with us, it erodes the value of conversation and ruins the thread. To the point that I meant what I said. I am damn proud of every person that has ever helped, and refuse to participate in any way with the 2014 CC if Adak1 has any participation beyond his PPD with the CC.
 
To be clear. I as an individual want to help as I have proven over the years. However, I also must feel we are all trying to help every participant "Enjoy" and feel "A part of" events/contest/races the best we can. We may not ever be able to do that 100%, however I do feel it is our responsibility to try. Being Pompous is not only counterproductive in relationships, it has now hurt the CC. I have received a LOT more support over my decision than I could have guessed. I mention this as a way to demonstrate... That I am not the only one who is taking this approach, I am just the only one to have said it thus far.
 

In the very first CC's, the two competing sub-teams (the Spyder Monkeys of MaxPC,  and the Folding Monkeys of OCF), were very close in size and folding strength.
 
Your idea is good though, for a new race format. Extending it, I'm thinking of a raw points only race where:
 
*each team is given a group goal of ppd, for the race. The groups of teams would have roughly
equal folding ppd.
 
Say the goal for the groups was set at 100M ppd. and your team made 20M ppd. Then you could team up with any team (or teams plural), having less than 80M ppd, in total.
 
*Like now, no signups would be needed, and no name change either.
 
*Numbers of folders would be limited to the number of active folders for each group (team1+team2, etc.), before the race.
 
That should address the handicap signups, name change, and recruiting concerns.
 
This would be a fun race - roughly handicapped by using group max ppd number, but mostly, it should be fun. Lots of rather more friendly interaction among the teams.
 
 

put his foot in his mouth again it seems
 
Women Compete too
 
as for the combine team event....it was the guys proposing it over here
 
so lose the sexist remarks Adak
folding is not male oriented nor are contests of any nature(next thing you'll suggest is male bikini contest or a Male beauty pagent)
 
seems to me MPC disproved your Idea that folding can't be an event nor a foldathon - folding for a fallen comrade for a year and having other teams join in - it's busted
 
and in effect donated for a server at stanford to boot
 
1. Having teams pair up and race as one group, against other groups, should go a long way to fix the team-centric problems the CC has now. 
 
no way, unless they join as a full team and their stats use as a basis for a new handicap (then a combined new stats can be calculated)
 
No way you are to recruit by offering tit-for-tat (paying for ringers)
 
fold for us and we fold for you - this is off the table
then every team will do this
 
you fold for us 1 week we fold for you 2 ...imagine if EVGA had done that with [H]
 
it does nothing to increase membership and all it does is reward non-competing teams that wish to co-opt teams competing in the CC  to gain extra production boosts for both sides 
 
 
2. Competition is good, and brings out the very best in us. We don't need to shun it, or fear it, or despise it. People (who aren't dyed in the wool liberals), like competitions. We just need to keep it civil and avoid the problem areas: 
 
competition is good if the system is fair and teams decide to play with a certain ruleset to play fair

 
making deals all year to gain folders for 1 week with deals to fold for them in return - goes against any sense of fair play
 
 
  
General problems: 
  
*requiring signups or name changes 

NONE THIS YEAR
  
*having a handicap system. I tend to agree that no matter how good the system may be, it will be disparaged by some. 
  
Specially if only 1 or 2  teams had input and the format was hastly chosen and agreed on
 
if you want a fair system then everyone gets to help in designing it and voting on it and leaving no one left out
 

*having teams race alone, against other single teams. Inevitably causes team-centric pissing contests leading to quarrels -- leading to still more quarrels. This fixes that problem. 
 
Teams can race head to head or in straight competition all the time... DC contests come to mind
EVGA doesn't get in pissing contest there - and we don't complain we aren't at the top - even in a straight PPD race

  
*recruiting arguments. Recruits would be limited to those who joined before the groups were established perhaps? 
 
Not enough - You already have members who have run this year  - so they would be included and you could use them again
 
if your talking about recruitment only from the time of known participation in the CC(when we know the list) - well all 10 team have been in it so  they be known and you already have an establish base of folders and teams that may come over - this doesn't work...
 
if you want to limit ringers then lets talk DQ'ing teams that recruit them (you'd go to last place)
or double/triple the points off (Penalty)
 
 
race should be limited to permanent members that engage yearly for your team (not for 1 week or 10 days at the CC)
and new permanent members that will stay for the long haul - fold consistantly (this doesn't mean every day - just fold as and when... all year little bit here or there on a consistant basis I can live with)

  
*Your argument against any race, is an emotional one of "NO!". OK, but folding is a male-oriented activity, and males aren't attracted by promotional events like you are proposing. 

WHAT BS - and a sexist saying  
 
 
Instead of turning off your folding program, why not try to work with us on this change? It certainly has a more fun and promotional side to it, than the CC races we've had. 

 
I am ...so is axipher
axipher and me are in agreement we need more than 1 race
(one to be straight PPD)
and it has to be planned out well in advance - no last minute deals or discussions
 
Axipher agrees that your formula skews unfairly specially to those who recruit from other teams
 
Id say your format is dead next year already
 

A step in the right direction, isn't it? 

 
A step in the right direction means everyone gets something they want and compromise on other
 
the format going to have to be a compromise
something for both camps big teams and small teams
 
 

Tex's idea isn't all that bad... 
 
all you had to do is agree with it rather than say what you did in the first place
 
the problem will still lie in that it does nothing to promote ones own team forward
all it does is get teams to join up(temp job)..ie add team stats - rather than more their own recruitment forward
 
find an dandy to do so for the promotion of teams - getting more teams interested - but does - nothing for your own team
 
a team  can sit stagnant - not recruit new members - maybe lose some and still win if it can get banded with another team or teams
 
and why would we limit it to just the top 10 or 20 - there are thousands of teams that can join up as one
 
it will just be a pile in program - lets get as many teams to join up with, rather than moving your own team forward
 
this would only work if the max combined (team total)<= top team (less than preferable)
variables like no previous competition would give us no baseline for max PPD or ability each team has to produce and we be in a guessing game again
if be the onus of the bottom teams to step up and defeat the top team (even if it had a slight PPD advantage)
because the joined maybe have more than the Joined stats indicates (because a team never competed before)

it be quite possible the joined team output from existing stats could be less than top team (because of low output) but in reality they can produce much higher like 2x or 3x more
 
remember we are adding teams 3 or 4 or 5 more if we can.... maybe more as well

 
 
I can see this is an all out war of team signups...
what each team can sign up and how many team forums you can log into, state the reasons, they fold for themselves - but combined with yours stats for a chance to win the trophy(no sweat of their backs - not lose any points) -if they chose to join
 
and we run into other headaches of stats -and combining them again
 
Id rather have every team for themselves and work on a system that caters to both big and small
2 or 3 races in one contest - more than 1 winner
 
or like we have said before have a foldathon of sorts
 
I do offer an alternative to tex's team up..ie TAG TEAM style
random time in/time out - equal time for each members time in the competition - just that all teams must have partners even EVGA (would get banded with a very small team) and random luck of when the wu's drop and when each team get anonymously tagged in
 
you never know whose points would count or when - luck of the draw
(this would average the teams total output)
 

Adak, you can put me right back where you had me in your "impressions list".  Please don't endorse any of my suggestions because I dont want any of the credibility issues that people have with you landing on my input.  Here's a "fact" for you from me.  I don't like you or the negative, condescending statements that you continually deposit here.  Wake up and smell the coffee, plenty of people have recognized that you can't offer ideas without also sprinkling-in an insult.  You may not see it, but I really think it's more that you won't admit what people around you already know.
 
Please go back to your own forum and cause problems over there.  We don't need you or your disruptive comments here.  We would like to work on these ideas in peace and productivity without enduring your "pot stirring". Take it somewhere else, so we can at least try to get something done here. 
 
You appear to want to be a part of things here, but cannot seem to control your insults and are largely disliked.  Think on that for a minute.  Most people here (that are talking to you) don't like hearing from you.  We have a well respected member that goes out of his way to bend to others that won't be in CC if you have any part of the design.  I did not participate this year because I could not stomach being in a contest that you claim to have designed.  Please leave and talk about CC somewhere else.  I hope that is clear enough.

Adak, 
 
Please just go on your way.
 
You have made it quite clear that you are neither interested in working with people nor are you trying to find solutions. You are more along the lines of an angry mean spirited forum troll. It stands to reason that an individual must clearly be in a delusional state of being when everyone around them clearly dislikes them and yet it's everyone elses fault.
 
Please be healthy and well and may whatever deity you worship bless you with good fortune. I see no point in continued conversation from this point.
 
Have a blessed day.