Well I have certainly offered more ideas than just the single goal.

And not one team or person can even suggest that we have not put forth trememdious amounts of thought and energy in trying to stay in this.

Personally if some big changes are not made. I feel that we have no choice but to support those who will not participte as much as those who will.

It hard to push your best if you have no chance of winning because the rules are stacked against you!
 
There competitions and all for the greater good and I suspect I would participate regardless, but maybe not push to the max (as I'm doing now for the MM but I know I'll be in the bottom team)
 
If it was a level playing field, I think we would have a better chance of pulling more members in to participate.
 
After reading XZ's posts on overclockers and here its very easy to see the effort he has put in (and thanks for that, it has looked a thankless task tbo)
 
Having no preference for the setup only that's its "fair" not only in how its ran, but in giving everyone a chance to enter.
 
Most of the posts I've read have been from the heart and that will only make it harder for a decision to be made I suspect
 
If I was forced to add my 2 cents on this
 
If its not going to be fair - Drop out
 
I would like to keep the names
 
If we drop out, then whats next? The competitions do (hopefully) generate interest and promote the team and the cause, and I hope thats what we all want.
 
The worst think I can see is that despite all the willingness and efforts (not just XZ, but Afterburner and others), is that inter team competition just dies away
 
 
 
 
After reading my post :) it sounds like a cross between a hopeless plea and a rant, it was no intended that way, but I'm not going to edit it

Is there any update on the status?

Afterburner

I have a proposal if we as a community decide to not participate in CC 2013...

Let's set a contest up as [H] being the target. Not allowing them to have 1st place for the entire year. Then it is not members vs. members... But two entire communities roaring towards two goals...

• EVGA trying to dethrone [H] for the second time with [H] trying to keep us from achieving that goal.
• WU's being processed like never before, getting us closer to cures...

 
This would have to be run at the same time as CC 2013. Because a few folks like helping other teams in the CC... And we would want all hands on deck so to speak =]

 
I would hate for XZ's effort to go to done the pan, but if we drop out of CC I'm up for this

Ain't looking good from what XZ put out... not many heads talking.

Viva la revolution!  Or is it the Revelon?  Depends on who ya ask I suppose.  I'm up using just my 4P, I want to return my main rig to crunching while I shop another 4P...

Is it still based on Chimp Names?

How are the team stats to be collected?  I'd be new at this and I'm trying to satisfy both crunching and folding.

if you look at the chart it's based on past performance
 
VGT excluded - we drew up numbers that was reasonable number for them - since they are a new team
 
 
Stats for the new Vietnam Global team, 2011 "race" were calculated by taking the average improvement of all the CC teams from 2011 to 2012 May points, and using that ratio, reduce Vietnam's May 2012 points, to create a "pseudo" 2011 race total, for them. That gave them the data for the rest of the calculations to be done in the same way, as all the other teams, except for one thing. 


When a team is racing in the CC, they will always fold more than their normal rate. I estimated that amount to be 25% more. So the Vietnam Global team basis was increased by that amount. There is no folding or race data to guide the choice of that 25%. Next year, there will be.



http://www.overclockers.c...16456&postcount=23
 
considering on our poor performance last few years it gives us an advantage this year
 
 
 

I don't understand your question, troy - "where" the numbers came from is listed right there in the spreadsheet.
 
It seems to me that the teams with a huge advantage are the ones with huge drops in 2012, presumably because their members went to another team for the CC.  That drops their total significantly and makes it much easier for them to beat their old averages.

troy8d

That's not what I was referring to, that simply explains how a handicap works (which is unnecessary since it is quite obvious).  The real issue is how is the handicap determined - where do those numbers come from and why were they chosen?

A quick back of the envelope calculation says that they give us an advantage (like you said).  I would prefer numbers that don't give anyone an apparent advantage.

 
It won't do that if we fold our best every year
the fact we had two bad years and everyone else had help ...like [H]  members it's gonna bite them
we won't get that next year if we show up this year
 
furthermore it doesn't stop teams from putting out bad numbers during one years chimp to win the next years
 
I had asked to take the best production numbers from each team for each year - or just best PPD last year
but until I can convince them it's the best course all we got is this
 
I still think best PPD is unforgiving - and most fair
that requires everyone to do their best
 
 

HWC always gets some from NCIX (not the whole team)
however I suggested we could combine them - easy to do now
 
and [H] members go where they feel (not us)
and there are other teams(not in contest) that have members that move about as well - for the CC
 
I noted that on the capts thread
Grandpa with 3.5M PPD going to OCAU would double output of OCAU
it's the reason for making jumping ship harder this year
no using chimp name (excluded in points)
 
you'll have to prime your own key and fold under your own name
 
 
 

 

Also, I'm not suggesting there is an easy answer as so many factors come into play in the CC that, when combined with the inherent erratic nature of folding, make a perfect design impossible.  I'm just trying to understand his thought process behind these numbers.

I just wanted to offer this thought... I hope every last one of [H] members help as many teams as they like. It builds comradery and makes the contests fun.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
OK... I admit it... I just want to take the crown back that much faster!!! Can you blame me???  

This sounds far more promising that the past years have. Perfect? not even close. Improved? I believe so yes, enough so that I will say this. If they allow full team production (Not using Ape names) and a formula that captures as close to "Competitive" for all teams participating. I am all in. I will turn it all on for ten days.
 
And you can quote me on that.
 
Now... If this is the case, when will we know? We need as much notice possible in order to get the message out. Including EVGA for any kind of banner/announcement...
 
Heck, if the dates are solid, we should announce this now!!!