yodap

Gryphon

The comment above that half of [H] joined them must be a joke, please just look at [H]'s numbers during the competition; there is barely a drop.

 
You are right and I am completely wrong and I apologize to the forum and to [H] and any other teams that took offense to my remark. I misunderstood what I was looking at. I'll stay out of it for a while.

 
We all make mistakes here and there; it's OK, no need to stay out of anything ;)

We need to hire shykal to be our cheerleaer captain - 
 
get some of our wives doing sis boom bah with calendar pics to boot
 
nothing too kinky or showy...but seeing some shakin in the right places might give the team a boost
 
seeing shykal and her cheerleader squad showin off some skimpy outfit might do the trick 
 

I've been through a few of these contest now, and this one I felt so much less enthusiasm for. It was almost as if we expected to lose before we even began. I don't know if anyone has kept track of how many people converted over to the Apes folding this year compared to last, but my guess is that it is less than before.
There are several reasons for participating. First is the feeling of spirited competition and comaraderie we get interacting with other teams for a common goal. I didn't feel that this year ike I have in the past.
Second is to act as leaders in the folding community, which we definitely are. Losing the number one team (at least for now) would have an adverse impact on the challenge.
Third is to bring in new people to fold. I don't know if that has been very successful. Not this year, nor in past years.
My suggestion would be to gauge the members closer to the time of the next CC to see if our folding pool was interested then. If they want to try and think it might be fun, then lets do it. But if not, maybe we should pass on it.

yodap 
 
You are right and I am completely wrong and I apologize to the forum and to [H] and any other teams that took offense to my remark. I misunderstood what I was looking at. I'll stay out of it for a while.

No reason to stay out of anything. We all make mistakes, manning up is 9000% better than most ever do. We appreciate it and welcome the correction and moving on 

TheWolf

I'd say drop everyone folding under the same name.
Let them fold under there name of choose, they will be more out to stay folding.
They will see there own points there own work units numbers growing. Catch the folding fever and stay folding.
As for scoring system:
Maybe it should be set to the amount of WU's folded rather than the PPD they bring as part of how the score it tallied.
After all its more about the actually finished work unit that is more important than the PPD we get for them or should be.
Move to cooler month.

Edit: as for the PPD that shouldn't been apart of it this year since we had -bigadv WU's on lesser cores last year.
Not everyone can afford to go to dual CPU setups to get those. So the production scores are going to be less this year.
Who ever set it up as part of the way to get scores wasn't thinking very clear or so it seems.
No way we could have brought in even close to the bonus points the team did last year.
BTW this is my 1st year to play in this.
I'd say we had way more growth than the score/PPD showed taking the above into view.

 
the team agreed with that this year - it's about the majority rules - the other teams voted even for and against
and we would have lost teams if we went the change
 
as for losing bigadv on smaller rigs - it would hit teams pretty evenly - except[H] which has gone out of it ways to develop 16+ rigs
 
the fact we had our best month in march when bigadv was gone from smaller system.
the only main diff was HPCS 
and that would apply even with this chimp as well
 
count WU's? this is a bad idea ...it's pretty easy to drop bad WU's to inflate numbers
then the team captain would have to filter the flat files(stats) for the team looking for large amounts of wu drops
tough to prove they are dropping bogus WU's 
 
be nice if people were honest - but with other teams talking hacks for bigadv.. i don't see trust extending that far
 
 
as for growth from last year
 
as a team output was 120M in ten days(last year) - we won't do 90M(this year) that's a 25-30% drop
OCN was 107M in 10 (last year) they are on track to do 120M+    a 10-20% increase
 
so how do you see .. "I'd say we had way more growth than the score/PPD showed " from your perspective
(not knocking ya...I just don't see what you see)
 
new members that don't fold don't count...we could all sign up 10 new members(fake names and do 1 WU) under different folding names each and grow the team by 10x but it be fake
 
for the team growth to count we have to get the members geared up and in motion for the team
that means real members that are motivated to push out some serious numbers in a good cause (even heat or weather or rigs on fire be damned)
 
 

Xavier Zepherious

We need to hire shykal to be our cheerleaer captain - 

get some of our wives doing sis boom bah with calendar pics to boot

nothing too kinky or showy...but seeing some shakin in the right places might give the team a boost

seeing shykal and her cheerleader squad showin off some skimpy outfit might do the trick 

You sir have an overactive imagination . Though I did give the team a cheer somewhere.
 
Only reason I didn't participate in the CC is because I'd only just gotten my rig built and it hasn't been all that stable, had a problem with it yesterday that I needed to fix. So it wasn't ready or up for a contest. But I have skimmed through the threads and posts.
 
I do most of my shakin for Madrias and him alone .

Xavier Zepherious

count WU's? this is a bad idea ...it's pretty easy to drop bad WU's to inflate numbers
then the team captain would have to filter the flat files(stats) for the team looking for large amounts of wu drops
tough to prove they are dropping bogus WU's 

be nice if people were honest - but with other teams talking hacks for bigadv.. i don't see trust extending that far

Make them be honest use the WU count and the PPD set a amount of allowed EUE WU's per 24 hours,
everything above that take away PPD, just as a example: -150K for every EUE over the limit of 25 per day.
Wouldn't take them long to see that loosing WU's is very bad for there team.
Set some harsh rules and stand behind them. Exceptions are already set for smaller teams competing.
So be it in this case "smaller team" with smaller numbers for a penalty.
 
I'm not a wiz with numbers, this may or may not work.
Just something else to think about that might fair the playing field.
This will probably be Edit:"my" last year to play, so what I have to say doesn't really matter.
I been folding for over 10 years "early 2001" its not fun watching your stats flat line
after all the time and effort you have put into a account old or new.
Flat line will be my reason for not joining a team next year.
 
The first part of this post is another reason Not to fold under 1 name.
If under 1 name it be to easy for another team to drop bad WU's under your single name
"hidden" from all to see, hiding who is doing it.
If its set to single user name it be easier to pick out where the problem is.
Especially on new accounts made just for the CC contest.
If its a real new join account they should be posting somewhere that they are in.
In the case its a real hardware or software fail,  we could help the new comer
fix there problem or ask them not to fold with faulty or unstable hardware.
 
The lost of PPD with lost of WU's is a way to greater the actual project at hand.
Now we are fighting to be the best "Stablest" at folding and returning the most finished
work units "The Most Stable Group of Folders" TMSGF award Its all about returing the most
completed work units. A crown that could be proudly worn by any team in the CC.
 

To all you new members who may be thinking you are too new to offer a suggestion.  That's OK because what you shared in the way of zest for this work and that raw enthusiasm that we all have felt is even more beneficial right now.  It is good to be reminded of how we all got here and why we are drawn to this work.  Welcome to the team. 

DevilSun,
 
Your post is exactly why we made this thread. We are a very giving group of individuals from all over the World. Our focus should be and is on Folding/Crunching and spreading knowledge of our Computer knowledge and DC (Distributed Computing).
 
We are having this discussion in part as a way to refocus the needs of our fellow man and our team. Sometimes when we get knee deep in something we can lose focus. Now we are regaining our focus. 
 
Welcome, thank you for your post and contributions to the bigger picture.

If left as single team name to join under, Only have Two (2) allowed team names
example: The Cause and For the Better Good with only two team numbers & paskeys.
Then you just pick the name you like best or buddy up with others under the same name.
Then there is no all the extra BS with conversion % and growth for scoring.
Just straight numbers of the most PPD made in the allocated time limit wins.
After all this is suppose to be about bring awareness about folding to bring new people into folding.
Or was my understanding of the CC. Everything else is just icing on the cake and for brigging rights.
As it stands we have no clue how many new people joined in the fight, because all names are hidden under one name
this brings it back to use of your chosen name and getting recognition for joining the efford.
It seems to me the real objective has been lost since this was started.
Edit: As I see it this has become nothing more than another Forum War.

First thing I want say is "THANK YOU" to everybody that helped make this years CC even happen.

BUT;

I think that in the present format or anything like it, the Chimp Challenge is always going to fail.

Having a promotional & ramp up drive using only 11.7 % of the folding community is holding back what really could be achieved if this was opened up to all teams.
( 58,527 active folders, 5011 folders in competing teams.=11.7% approximately. stats taken from Kako stats. Although these are different to EOC stats I could not find overall active users on EOC stats site so I used Kako )


I would like to see something more along the lines of a 2 horse ( or chimp ) race where;


RACE FORMAT;

Team 1; is the top 50 teams total daily output combined;

Team 2; all the other teams including default total daily output combined.

(Someone would actually have to run the numbers to work out what split would be the most even.)

I actually ran this format in a spread sheet during the Chimp Challenge using EVGA & (H)'s daily scores combined against the other competing teams daily scores combined & it was a very good race until a few members from (H) started helping OCF & then the scores started to distort off being a close race. ( (H) effectively shot themselves in the foot. )

End result;
Evga/(H)    - 481,916,806
Other teams - 498,482,233

( Stats taken from EOC 15 -25 May total daily output )

Using this type of format (points manipulation only) it has little to no effect on any personal or team goals.
It also should address most of the team jumping issues.

It gives everybody the opportunity to choose whether they want to pay attention to the race & get involved, or they can just ignore the fact that it is even running & carry on with whatever they are doing.


PRIZE;

Jaded Monkey could still be displayed by members of winning team if they wish ( although there would be a lot more of them ) & maybe a yellow banana with year badge for having competed.
( Only applies if the competition name is still "Chimp Challenge" see below )


SMACK TALK;

I would like to see the smack talk hosted by Google so there is no issue with traffic & maybe they could set up a language filter so our non English speaking folders can fling some of their own.
 ( Watching the language translation for 10 days could be a major amusement in itself )
Letting Google run some ads on the page so they can make a little money might help get them on board.


GETTING THE WORD OUT; ( This is where the major focus needs to be.)

There needs to be sticky's in the folding@home forum & all other major folding forums so that even small teams can get the word it is; ON, WHEN & HOW LONG. (Even if it is from browsing some other teams forum )

This should also give P.G a heads up so they can make sure servers are up to full speed.
(No down time scheduled & full of work units)


ENDING NOTE;

I have had this going through my head from around the time I started doing the spread sheet for myself (day 4 of CC) & I am sure there was other things I wanted to add, but after writing this down & editing it 50 times I cannot think of anything else to add. I am sure other people will come up with something I have forgotten or did not think about.
Anyway just some food for thought.

I may be totally wrong in the way I think & everybody else wants to keep the CC as close to the format it is in @ the moment.

This could even be a new format for a new competition run @ the end of October/start of November ( more preferable to the northern hemisphere folders ) & given a totally new name,( Stanford Server Burn Challenge ) or whatever.

I was just looking for something that was bigger more robust & FUN.

Too many times I have watched teams imploding from the internal bickering over these competition discussions because the race format becomes too complicated & focus is lost on the real goal of recruitment.


Just in case anyone is wondering, I fold as TweakIT for OCAU Team 24.

I thought this would be a better place to post this as our forum is a little on the quiet side most of the time.

TweakIT..


Now I'll go back to hiding in my corner. I'm sure there's something around here needs overclocking.

that be 9M PPD 
 
we did 84Million in 10 days
last CC we did 120million in 10 days
down 30%

Tweakit your suggestions have merit but, how many of those people on those other teams would even want to participate? How would we reach the ones who might not have a listed forum?. Basically it would be like putting the entire human race in contest against itself. Yea theoretically it works but there are so many people. I think the idea is flawed in the fact that it's overreaching what we could physically manage. There are only a handful of people from the 8 teams that work on the CC as it is, a couple dozen at best. How do you expect that few to handle getting the word out to literally tens of thousands of people on hundreds of teams and then organizing the entire mess? As for stickied threads in all major forums, we did. Theres one in every major folding forum plus the general forum. Having Google host the chat is cool. Can you elaborate on the idea?