The link seems to work for me...PST time that is.

I think its just me being impatient. Takes about a minute to load data but still requires a prod to then refresh and display. Could just be Android vs Google docs. - definitely. works sweet as a nut on my pc.

Thanks for sharing the link.

Link is working for me :)
 
typo on Vietnam Gloabal:    Vientnam Global 
 
 
 

Thinking back to the horror show that my first attempt at getting hourly stats for the CC was, back in 2010. zerran2001 and I worked around the clock, as best we could, to ensure the updates were posted manually to our forum using mostly manual collection.
 
I ended up with separate spreadsheets saved for each hour instead of a single sheet in the way that I do it now.
 
I was also kludging it together while on heavy pain and muscle relaxing meds due to my back surgery fixing my 2nd slipped disk.
 
This will be my 4th CC, my youngest son is 5 on Friday, eldest will be 8 in July, and my wife and I have been married for 10 years in June. Where's the time going???

troy8d

Preliminary results indicate this year's formula may, as suspected, be hopelessly broken.  Luckily, we are one of the teams it favors this year.

I'm a CC captain with OCF, and the designer of this years handicap point system ("stats").

This year, the stats are ALL about points - points, and points. It is, after all, a race, not a philosophical assertion about FAH team categories, and how those categories should, might, or will, translate into race points.

Specifically, the points that matter, are the points from previous CC races - actual CC race data, if possible. The main idea is, if you do VERY WELL this year, you will have a proportionately more difficult handicap next year. Since EVGA had a TERRIBLE CC race last year, AND you have had a strong increase in your points (as evidenced by now out folding [H] for the #1 team ranking), THAT'S why you are looking so good in the stats atm.

Which is EXACTLY how your team stats should be looking. OCN, on the other hand, has poor stats, right now, because they raced well last year, and their folding points right now, are far less than the improvement of OCF, (for instance), as evidenced by the fact that we are frequently out folding them, in RAW points. So OCN SHOULD be looking bad in the stats - and they are.

This is a simple handicap system, and if you understood it, you'd know that it can't be "broken", as long as math still works. It will need adjustment, especially since the 2012 race data was lost, and I had to use the May-June monthly stats, in place of the actual point data.

Every new handicap system needs fine-tuning, and this one will be no exception. The beauty of it, beyond being so simple that no one can say "it was cheating", is that it's almost completely self correcting, from year to year. The more actual race data it has to work with, the closer it comes to being perfect.

"Perfect" doesn't mean "equal" however. Take OCF and TSC! for example. Throughout 2010 and 2011, TSC! used to out fold OCF or match us, very regularly. We've improved so much this year, that TSC! is  now millions of points behind us. AFTER this CC, (if the race results reflect this trend), TSC! will be given a better handicap for next year, and OCF will again be given a lower handicap in comparison.

It's a huge mistake to "crystal ball" the handicap ratios for the teams before the race, based on current folding ability. If you have a stronger team this year than last (relative to the other teams), you SHOULD be stronger in the CC results for that year. THEN the handicap ratios should be recalculated - not before.  In fact, if the teams were all quite close in the next CC, after handicapping, that would be VERY indicative of a poor handicap system. Because some teams will have strengthened; others will have weakened, over the course of a year.

Troy, I know you don't have access to the Captain's forum, so I'm not going to denigrate your limited intellectual rigor on this topic. The handicap system is not perfect - it lacks the data to be so. To say that it's "hopelessly broken", when the data is right where it should be atm, is quite silly.

You have a great team here, but I've read several very team-centric statements in this thread that were wildly incorrect, and negative about the CC this year. This, from people who should know better. Wouldn't you agree, Afterburner?
 
This year, the emphasis is back on RACING, where it should be, not on lightweight philosophical musings expressed in "categories".  This is a RACE, not a visit to a coffee shop. If your main interest is NOT in folding as much as possible, and in your team winning the race, then your common sense has taken a wrong turn, somewhere.
 
A leader shapes the impressions others have of the environment they share - even on the net, or in this forum. Why not be upbeat, race hard, and have fun?  Why not share that good feeling with your teammates? That's what makes a race fun to watch, fun to be in, and a subject of conversation - all raising awareness of F@Home; because the racers made it interesting, because they asked some friends to join them, etc.
 
 

The CC is what brought me into the 'fold' here at EVGA 4 years ago - I was recovering from my second back surgery and had been looking for a team to start folding with again as the previous forum I was a member of had faded away. 
 
I got looking at the stats and how they were being pulled and noticed that zerran2001 was attempting to do an hourly update, so I stepped up to help him out, and quite frankly, haven't stopped yet.  *laughs*
 
So, it's good to see our participation continue, and I hope that this year will lead to many more years to come! FOLD ON!!

Adak1
I enjoyed reading your post, thanks for adding your views to our forum, I'm sure we all appreciate your input.
Your views on the stats/maths are also very clear and to the point. Overall I do agree with your observations and comments, and your method will produce a swings and roundabout effect for all the teams over the years, and I welcome it as being "fair".
 
After saying that I'm in Our team and we wan't to win, so I'm sure that a few "biased" comments will and have appeared in other forums over the years, we are after all a competitive bunch who fold :)
 
Thanks again, I can't wait for it to start  

Is is time to start sending PMs yet?  I was thinking of a very short message, perhaps with one of the banner images, that simply points to the main CC thread. 

Punchy
Is is time to start sending PMs yet?  I was thinking of a very short message, perhaps with one of the banner images, that simply points to the main CC thread. 

I agree...keep it short and to the point.  A person can read all the lengthy detail in the opening of the CC 2013 thread.
 
To Adak:
Dude, you forgot to wish us well like you did over at [H] (in the CC 2013 thread) when you said "And PLEASE, don't let EVGA get back into #1 team in F@H".  If your post to our Team was supposed to be positive motivation, we need to work on those communications skills.  

bobc36

texinga
To Adak:
Dude, you forgot to wish us well like you did over at [H] (in the CC 2013 thread) when you said "And PLEASE, don't let EVGA get back into #1 team in F@H".  If your post to our Team was supposed to be positive motivation, we need to work on those communications skills.  

Glad I wasnt the only person to see that.

+1... Just worried if I commented on it it could reflect as an attack instead of a fun poke 

I had to kind laugh after reading all that stuff from Adak.  Here we have someone that is:

• Basically "taking us to school" on how to view CC and properly react to the contest.
• Says he is the "designer" of this years handicapping formula.
• Labels one of our best "contest mathematicians" (Troy) as having "limited intellectual rigor".
• Goes over to [H] and says what I shared above.
• And then expects us to trust (not criticize) this years CC Contest design.

That's just too funny IMO.    I decided to join CC this year because Troy and others seemed to think we had some sort of positive (not perfect) change in the right direction.  I was definitely out before that and had planned to just Crunch during CC.  Hmmmm...

Viper97
There's also the fun aspect of this, contest that really isn't a contest.  It's an attempt to gain ground on [H] and all their guest folders.  Somehow I find all this amusing.

That's because you are a "sick little Folding puppy"!    I'm not at all changed by that sermon we received above.  I Fold everyday for the same reasons everyone else does and also still believe in the great work via Crunching.  One way of the other, I will be DC'ing at something...

Afterburner
Any one team can win a ten day event. What is that same team doing the other 355 days of the year?

With this Team's performance and that of all the other hardworking Folding/Crunching Teams, we can definitely say "we are all winning together"!
 
Well said AB...

Adak1
....

Thank you for for taking the time to stop by and provide us additional insight into your reasoning.  I'm glad we can agree that the proposed system needs improvement.  I''m not going to bother going into details because your response comes across as defensive, closed to constructive criticism or improvement, and subtly attacks multiple members of our team.  From what you have said, you seem to have fallen in love with the simplicity and theoretical purity of your design sacrificing balance, relevance and effectiveness.  I'd be happy to help improve things, but will not waste my time with someone that comes across as hostile.

Ok it's time to lock this thread AB
 
Adak We were fine with the formula
 
It has some issues but I was willing to accept them for this year
troy was only pointing out there is room for lots of improvement - which any good Math whiz or computer programmer would (Which by the way is heavy in math)
 
We'll work the formula it next year - to improve it
 
A little common sense would have told you that some members have some concerns and instead sending bad vibs you could have asked for suggestion from troy for next years CC.
 
Take a little advice "chill out a bit before you post"
 
My issue is with the rest of the teams and the lack of input
EVGA,OCF,HWC and OCN, are plugged in
the rest...well - with silence from 1/2 the teams -what do we expect?
 
If the CC is gonna survive - we have to stop bickering about the formula and winning (that's the Icing that's all)
The real win is enlarging the folding @home community thru events like this -
bringing in new teams and members
bring excitement and revive the contest
Bring old teams back and re-invigorate them
 
 
Punchy - It would be a good idea to start sending PM's for the CC
 
I would suggest posting a brief one or submitting one for users to see in the official thread - or take parts of the official thread
or link to it
 
 
to the community - I hope you all fold like gangbusters for this year's contest
 
Lets bury the hatchet with the contest - don't worry about winning and lets just do our best
Im more inclined to say " LETS BUST OUR BUTTS OFF TO RETAKE #1" 
 
the chimp is just one mile maker in that road -
 
it's more "Lets Participate in the Chimp just to get some steam rolling for a onslaught we wish to bring against [H]"
 
The Chimp Challenge is just is just another contest like any other - we win or lose - it's life 
 
We all folded our butts off in folding madness - where I believe most did not win - We don't whine about some Fixed Formula (I don't want to revisit that ever again)
 
Heck - no matter how good you do it - it will always be unfair - because members get assigned haphazardly ,estimates are a guestimate and folding WU's change the complexity of any contest
 
We do it because it motivates us to push as individuals and as a team - and that's why we should always enter
That and the bonus of driving science forward either by the WU's we crunch or the awareness we bring to F@H. That's why instead of bickering about formulas and rules all the time (as long as it's reasonable) we should be working our A'sss Off to get the message out and bring new members to F@H and new teams to the chimp (which increases membership there - thru drives)
 
With that Said I expect the team to come out and play/fold/ to do war to diseases in the chimp Challenge this year
 
Bring your chimp suits and your cheery attitude and lets do battle once again 
 
Lets fling it boys and girls