Get all the Folders!! sorry. It's not a bad idea, Im just wondering if we will have the personnel to support such an undertaking. IF you want to involve the entire folding world it has to be professional. NO Google Docs and IRC chat. People will expect us to look like we can do this. That and we will need a lot of people from all teams involved to help in setting it up. So many people are quick to give ideas but shy away from the organizing part. Im not saying anyone here, this team had a remarkable amount people step up when we needed them. But it needs to be organized a little better for an undertaking of that size, IMHO.

^^^^ I totally agree with the last three posts... THAT is the ticket!

Anything worth doing takes effort, including the pro-con stage. Keep it coming 

you'll have to add drougnor for the stats side (his XML data), and probably me
 
that be a lot of collecting - unless we get each team that joins to collect it and submit the tally to the team of people running it
 
this is one contest that goes outside the normal teams and gets rid of rivalry and goes strictly to "Time zones areas" - somewhat fair
 
they only problem I see is that as China and India grow in computer use and internet (folding) we could wind up always losing to that area of the world with the highest density of people.
 
I guess the rest of us will just have to invest in better rigs and folding farms
 
 
 

Xavier Zepherious

you'll have to add drougnor for the stats side (his XML data), and probably me

Sorry XZ, I guess I kinda assumed that you would be involved unless you said something different, I forgot about droughnor...
I see the same problem with certain time zones getting stacked based on raw population. Australia is in the same time zone as Japan what about something like Russia? Isnt there team spread out through like 4 time zones as it is? This could be the right track for the CC, but Im not sure if Time zone would necessarily be the way to go.

Pure power production makes more sense than the gobbledegook FUBAR points system I saw. The competition must be meaningful, productive, and persuasive. The points system was none of those things. I'll fold and crunch for the cure, surely we all feel that. If you can persuade others to follow us in our good efforts, I'll believe in what you are doing. If CC doesn't satisfy this or that, I say let the CC rot. If you can revamp the CC to serve our goals, more power to you.
 
PS I didn't even know about CC 'til after the start date. I don't lurk on the forums much anymore. Send me a PM IN TIME.

In order to keep confusion and crossover of information down, let's keep discussion of Chimp Challenge here and the potential World Wide TZC over here. 
 
It kind of throws me off when I see someone talking about tracking of thousands of names in the CC, which is MUCH more easily tracked.  *laughs*
 
For the talk of making it more 'professional', I do agree greatly.  I've been trying to work my way there, but I haven't had the time necessary to bury myself in learning best practices SQL/PHP.  I'll gladly work with someone who has the knowledge, esp if they are willing to help teach this old dawg some new tricks.

^^^ Gives Tag Team Partner the "Rocks" eyebrow... 

My worthless 1 cent vote here is to not participate next year due to teams not compromising. 
 
I didn't fold for cc 12 nor will on if there is another. At the same time I have had my own IRL problems to hinder me folding for some months now and likely will be a delay returning.
 
At the end of the day I feel it should be about our overall team's opinion, needs & wants. If we want to have fun do so on our terms and let people that want to do this challenge do so under a different new evga cc surname.
 
Then again, I'm without a doubt biased on the point of not partaking in chimp challenge post 2011.

Well I have been in two CC's now and thought I would throw in my .02 to keep this thread going:
 
-Get rid of the name change.  I was originally for keeping the team names, but it is just an extra hurdle in getting everyone active in the contest.
 
-Have a central stats page with data for everyone (raw, adjusted, conversion rates, etc)  but have no declared overall winner.  Ditch the jaded monkey entirely.  Maybe there could be winners for each category, but I feel that having one team win it all has been the cause of all our problems.  Instead stress the fact that the Challenge is to increase production overall and gain new members/motivate inactive members.  Maybe we could use some of that math to come up with a global production goal for all teams combined.
 
-Never use the word 'formula' again after this post.  Just hearing the word brings to mind all the 'bad vibes'.  See above regarding stats.
 
-Don't hold a contest even remotely close to the CC.  Give a couple months beforehand to prepare with nothing scheduled that could take away focus/effort from the CC.
 
-Participate!  Getting fed up with other teams and dropping out just contributes to the negativity.  If we don't get things how we want let's go full steam ahead anyway.  In 2011 I felt that mentality worked great and I had a lot of fun.  This year was a different story.
 
-Overall, we just need to stay positive and have fun.  Post funny chimp pictures, encourage teammates new and old, and focus on why we all got into folding in the first place.
 
That's all I can think of for now.  Also, huge amount of thanks to the few who put in incredible amounts of effort in being captains, organizing, and making informative posts.  We are an unruly bunch to deal with, but without you guys it would just be chaos!

Opolis

Well I have been in two CC's now and thought I would throw in my .02 to keep this thread going:
 
-Get rid of the name change.  I was originally for keeping the team names, but it is just an extra hurdle in getting everyone active in the contest.

 
 
This has been recommended 1/2 the teams want to keep it ..1/2 want to change it
even on our own team it's split between the membership
 
OCN  said they wouldn't participate if it was changed
 
It definitely makes things easier for us, but other teams like the advantage of having the conversion factor because they can get more of their team switched than we can. Just look at past performance of our team less and less conversion. Even if we had just kept the previous performance we would have been in contention, but we keep slipping in participation.
 
 

Opolis 
-Have a central stats page with data for everyone (raw, adjusted, conversion rates, etc)  but have no declared overall winner.  Ditch the jaded monkey entirely.  Maybe there could be winners for each category, but I feel that having one team win it all has been the cause of all our problems.  Instead stress the fact that the Challenge is to increase production overall and gain new members/motivate inactive members.  Maybe we could use some of that math to come up with a global production goal for all teams combined.

 
 
this was a last minute decision... OCN turn was this year...(we are all suppose to take turns at it). That said... I did a stats site since people didn't like OCN's
 
I suggest that we do it or have hardware canucks do it. They did an excellent job. Keep the site code and re-use as much as we can for following years
 
getting rid of the team competition... it was suggested by me  - offered as a choice
we fold as one giant group for a primary combined goal rather than a trying to bust each other up
again ..it was shot down - other teams believe we need more than just a group goal(something out of the combined reach of all the teams but do-able if we work at it) ...but a race to get their teams motivated.
 
and multiple categories was offer by OCAU and EVGA as well
 
And Yes I stressed it was about improving overall performance(by all teams) and membership drive rather than having a race
 
 

Opolis 
-Never use the word 'formula' again after this post.  Just hearing the word brings to mind all the 'bad vibes'.  See above regarding stats.

 
 
 
I'd love too... but it with other teams wanting something else(everyone else has their own opine) it will be tough
 

Opolis 
-Don't hold a contest even remotely close to the CC.  Give a couple months beforehand to prepare with nothing scheduled that could take away focus/effort from the CC.

 
 
With the change this year Folding madness will have to move to Jan/feb - since the contest will be in spring - ie march(I think)
 
that means the teams should be discussing things this fall than wait til the last minute like last time
 

Opolis 
-Participate!  Getting fed up with other teams and dropping out just contributes to the negativity.  If we don't get things how we want let's go full steam ahead anyway.  In 2011 I felt that mentality worked great and I had a lot of fun.  This year was a different story.

 
 
I agree... not matter what participate...bury the hatchet or whatever you have to do to get rid of the bad feelings
Even if we lose...have fun...
 
find a way to make it fun... get involved, 
make friends with members with other team...
maybe find the special other 1/2 and get hitched - one folds for one team the other for another...wouldn't that be something
 
get involved with organizing and recruitment
 
By showing our team spirit we might actually get members to come back or members from other teams to come here because  we have great team spirit.
 
Not Showing up and complaining about the rules only drives the point to other teams that we lost our focus and team spirit. Why would people come to play with us?
 
Now if we showed up and really put down the gauntlet..even with a handicap and set down a new record or really outdid ourselves would have sent the right message... "Even with the odds against us we strive to overcome and meet the challenge, never complaining about the rules or anything else... and all while taking the shots at the beginning(ie rules/formula/ribbing) and setting the 
standard of we won't complain/call names , having fun,promoting the team, maybe changing the attitudes from other teams about us, all while making friends(maybe getting a few new members)
 
It was very possible to win for EVGA this last year...if we showed up...
the fact that some didn't do to the rules or formula...well to say...unpleasing.... like we ran away because it didn't favor us
 
the other problem was communication...maybe NEXT year ..EVGA will get it right and help us out
 
 

Opolis 
-Overall, we just need to stay positive and have fun.  Post funny chimp pictures, encourage teammates new and old, and focus on why we all got into folding in the first place.

That's all I can think of for now.  Also, huge amount of thanks to the few who put in incredible amounts of effort in being captains, organizing, and making informative posts.  We are an unruly bunch to deal with, but without you guys it would just be chaos!

 
As I said above... it's the team spirit that defines us...
 
Quitting before it starts shouldn't be in our vocabulary, Nor should avoiding the CC because we think it rigged or unfair or anything else.
It makes us sound like little children who run away crying if the rules don't allow us to win every time. I think it's time for us to get our heads out of our butts and sent the message... WERE HERE TO STAY AND IN A BIG WAY
just like our fight with [H]...bring it no matter if we win or lose...we hold our head high going down fighting and we have nothing to be ashamed of because we gave everything. And if we win it's glorious because we have set new heights and regained all our spirit and drive
 
...ie Last years CC we came across as the team with the almost the least participation...sad showing
 
yes I know the rules seem unfair...but that's what the #1 team does fight adversity to rise over those trying to dominate, even with the odds against them.
 
 
 

^^Ignoring the TOS blemish in your post. That is exactly what I am looking for. Comments/Thoughts like yours. That is what makes any team stronger. 
 
I would love to see your suggestion put in place.
 

1. Having a tracker of "previous" production numbers vs. current (Not to make those with different equipment and or changes in points by Stanford see less production, but rather a part of the process)
2. New folders total production numbers (Could be individual and totaled as a group)
3. Tracker for total production this year vs. last

 
And...
 

1. A tracker showing previous folders of any production level still producing
2.  Coming back to the fold
3. New folders to the team

And focus on the grand totals as the success. Regardless of the way the rest of the world wants to handicap the last remaining powerhouse in the event.
 
When setting goals we should keep in mind something like this...

1. Be specific
2. Have it be measurable
3. It be Attainable
4. It has to be relevant
5. And must be time sensitive

texinga

Chimp Challenge...is it May already?  How'd I sleep through the winter! 

Nope... We started this to keep it in front of us and help grow. Better to have an active conversation than not... 

Heard that Punchy and I really have to agree about CC 2012.  My participation in this years CC was really token and not what I'd consider a real participation.  I really had to ask myself "why the heck even do it" under the conditions that you shared, and we all saw that stuff happening. 
 
Afterburner made several useful suggestions while we all struggled with CC2012 that are still good ones.  I could get behind that kind of future CC that he suggested with no problems.  I don't have links handy to the things he suggested, but many of us (at least here) felt they were great alternatives to what CC has become.

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