rjbelans

devdog51
Hey guys Im a new member, obviously and Im trying to get into some of the contests that go on around here, especially CC. Where the hell do I go to sign up? I mean Im folding non- stop 24/7 on at least 2 clients, sometimes 3. It doesn't add much but I like to do the most I can. My average is 21kPPD. I figured this could go to some other good uses than simply folding for the team

Welcome to the team.


There is no sign-up for it, we change the username to EVGApes for the contest. Right now, you just need to be patient because this contest doesn't start for another month.

 
Thanks i appreciate it. Is there anywhere that I can read up on the challenge and some of the others like the time zone challenge and such? Like I said Im interested in making a difference and helping out team EVGA as much as I can. 

Thanks I appreciate it. 

For me, CC stands for "chump challenge" because I feel that we're expected to be "chumps" to compete under the conditions of last year and what appears to be no better this year.  I feel that CC is not what it is advertised to be and it certainly is not fun from a contest perspective.  For me, people are asked to just believe that CC does what it is supposed to do whether it actually still does any of it's originally designed goals or not.  I think our bros over at [H] have it right about that contest and are calling what it does correctly (at minimum to their team).
 
Now, an all-out points race with our mighty brothers at [H], yes I would be there for that one in May or any other time.

XZ, of the people on that board that can be accused of not trying hard enough (Or, at all, really), YOU are not on the list.  Anyone who tries to say otherwise needs a good sharp slap in the mouth with a live shark.

This seems like a lot of drama, I'd rather just go flat out against [H] or a similar team, no prizes other than smack and maybe a sig badge or something...  Seems like just as much fun and way less hassle, and the end result is the same (WU's crunched).

texinga

For me, CC stands for "chump challenge" because I feel that we're expected to be "chumps" to compete under the conditions of last year and what appears to be no better this year.  I feel that CC is not what it is advertised to be and it certainly is not fun from a contest perspective.  For me, people are asked to just believe that CC does what it is supposed to do whether it actually still does any of it's originally designed goals or not.  I think our bros over at [H] have it right about that contest and are calling what it does correctly (at minimum to their team).

Now, an all-out points race with our mighty brothers at [H], yes I would be there for that one in May or any other time.

 
I think you go too far - I seriously doubt it is intentional.  I believe the true problem lies in the fact that hey just don't have a clue what they are actually doing...

troy8d

texinga
For me, CC stands for "chump challenge" because I feel that we're expected to be "chumps" to compete under the conditions of last year and what appears to be no better this year.  I feel that CC is not what it is advertised to be and it certainly is not fun from a contest perspective.  For me, people are asked to just believe that CC does what it is supposed to do whether it actually still does any of it's originally designed goals or not.  I think our bros over at [H] have it right about that contest and are calling what it does correctly (at minimum to their team).
Now, an all-out points race with our mighty brothers at [H], yes I would be there for that one in May or any other time.

I think you go too far - I seriously doubt it is intentional.  I believe the true problem lies in the fact that hey just don't have a clue what they are actually doing...

I wouldn't be so hasty to say that there is no "intent" behind some of the shenanigans of CC point design.  I think in ways that matter to a large team like ours, some of the teams do have a bit more of a clue than you give them credit for having.

troy8d
Second, while there is certainly a lot of self-interest going on in the suggestions being made by certain individuals, I don't believe it is intentionally organized against us specifically (I do not deny that I could be wrong in thinking this). 

Troy, you are "reading-in" to my comments something that I did not say.  Your concerns about someone saying that things are "intentionally organized" are your own...not mine.  I have concerns for sure, but when I shared my feelings, the concept of someone doing something "intentional" was never on my mind.  Now if we want to really talk about "intent", then I think the intent of the CC (as I understand it's original design) has been lost amid all the points wrangling and design of same.  If CC could get back to focusing on Folding and building membership, then I would feel better about it.  Good luck on designing a system that is fair that all these teams can embrace.  It appears to be about as challenging as getting our government to agree on anything. 

that's already been posted to the CC forums AB...
 
seems that didn't fly either - Zodac opted for it as a novel idea too as one option - but the rest of the teams...well lets say we got nothing - nada - zip zilch on anything.
 
Zodac even made a deadline(with options) that was totally ignored(come and gone) for a decision...
 
Zodac knew My position and the teams - rather than zodac's flawed formula from last year I opted for the combined goal idea
 
I suggested.... if no decision..can't agree
one of the following
1. all out PPD
2. split categories
3. combined goal
 
I also modified Zodac's formula to make it more palatable - still favors smaller teams - but get rid of amplifying effect of team Conversion. (making the gap larger)
 
we offered different formula. different schemes and even ask zodac to talk to troy (on new formula)...
nothing to date
 
I went to the other teams forums and posted 
PM'd the team captains in those forums to come up with something without OCN (since they were sticklers for their formula)...to at least get them talking and come up with some formula or different type of race
 
that went nowhere 
 
Now you know just how far I went...and how far we are bending to make this work as a team.
 
Im willing to accept a handicap - just not a bad formula
or biased assessment in the handicap.
 
Honestly if something can be discussed I can hold out til next week..
but if we get no reply this week I say it's over and there is no CC
 
so AB sharpen your Contest thread and testing.
if it fails I can opt to go to [H] to see if they want a straight race with us and maybe take some more flak like my last visit - heaven knows they may opt for it
 
or
 
have our own in-house contest
 
 

I'd like to share a few thoughts based upon the excellent ideas that both AB and Xavier have discussed above.  Oh and before I forget to do it again, Xavier, you have really tried to do the right things in the face of what appears to be lack of interest.
 
It is very clear to me that a significant problem with CC in today's world is the attempt to develop scoring criteria for a wide array of Teams and associated abilities.  AB's suggestion above for his 4-point plan is the best idea that I've seen and it removes all the debate and problems with consensus because there are no Team-to-Team formula issues.  We all win as a "world Folding Team" which is a positive breath of fresh air.  Honestly, when I try to understand a lot of the formulas/criteria for individual Team points, my eyes glaze over from it.  That could be why things aren't moving forward...to much to comprehend and too much opportunity for confusion and argument over same.  Debating points criteria and the resulting problems from whether it is a good formula/criteria is not getting us anywhere.  We can have the most well thought out system in history, but if the collection of Teams can't (or won't) embrace it, all we have is stalemate or a forced situation like we saw last year.  I think it is time to either break outside-the-box and use something like AB suggests or simply move on from CC.
 
If we went with something akin to AB's suggestion,  I would gladly participate in CC and enjoy it.  For me, we are a "world team" every day no matter where we place on EOC ranks.  Coming together as a "world team" once a year to blow out Folding results and build real Team spirit/membership sounds great! 

kody7839
I'm seeing a lot of Zodac's name but not any other captains...what are they saying/suggesting?

It appears (from the thread-link below) that Maximum PC isn't participating in CC.  Looks like Full_Taoer stepped out of the Captains role and I didn't see anyone else that volunteered to step-in.  Some of the same concerns are aired about what CC has become that some of us have aired.  So this could very well be why you are not hearing anything from at least that Team.  Looks like some of those guys are already moving to a "Plan B" thinking of something different to do this May...a "Gordon Smitheman" tribute instead.
 
http://www.maximumpc.com/...5be959fc9c4c4196762d6f
 

Well you do still have a handful of teams interested and a handful of people on teams that might not want to do it interested. From all the reading Ive been doing to catch up on things, it seems the smartest thing that can be done now is to either participate in this years CC and put up with whatever the outcome is or let CC die from lack of support by the major teams. Maybe if EVGA and OCN and a few of the others still do participate it will show the rest that we are interested in keeping this alive and ultimately, perfecting it. Then the thing to do is to get discussions going immediately after this years CC. If that fails then I would venture to say that CC is dead. It never hurts to fold either way, and if th only thing you can accomplish is to make more new guys like me interested in folding for EVGA and ultimately just to fold period, well youve done your job.

Well does anyone want to start coming up with plans for an in house competition then? Or just an all out race with [H]? If its dying then lets get something in motion. I wanna earn some badges, lol

texinga

Troy, you are "reading-in" to my comments something that I did not say.  Your concerns about someone saying that things are "intentionally organized" are your own...not mine.  I have concerns for sure, but when I shared my feelings, the concept of someone doing something "intentional" was never on my mind.  Now if we want to really talk about "intent", then I think the intent of the CC (as I understand it's original design) has been lost amid all the points wrangling and design of same.  If CC could get back to focusing on Folding and building membership, then I would feel better about it.  Good luck on designing a system that is fair that all these teams can embrace.  It appears to be about as challenging as getting our government to agree on anything. 

 
I not trying to put words in your mouth, my apologies.  But when you say "people expect us to be chumps to participate" I have a hard time reading anything other than intentional.

texinga

Troy, let's just let this pass as nobody probably cares to see any more dialogue about it anyway.  If you and I could be in the same room really talking, I'm sure we would understand each other a lot better. 

 
That was my thought exactly.  Rereading my last post - it didn't end the way I intended.  I was going to explain further, but didn't really want to make a big deal out of it so if it appears at all inflamatory that is entirely unintentional.