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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 07:33:56
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I here you , like I mooned over the hybrid card 700 bucks then the 10 series came out and it got down to something I could live with not that its a better card then others but I wanted to go with the cooler , got to admit 47c max all I can pound to it is nice sure not the best oc'er or highest out of the box clocks it and a classy was only like 15 buck price diff I just wanted to give the hybrid a go and see I like it too bad they did not think to apply if factory on something like a ftw or classy as they seem to did on the new 10 series hybrid that's now a added bonus sometimes I think evga tends to get too many irons in there fire at times and can cloud same models up a bit .. to the guy who answered on the model number thing what about the rest like 3997-KR and all then I think there was one more at that
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 07:39:19
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 07:51:00
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maybe so ?? [I remember that thread ] evga tends to do part numbers up as revised like 1998 the 1 means reference blower card 2998 tend to be reference pcb with aftermarket cooler the 3 and 4 so on as things change seems only the 980ti don't follow that rule as much so with that is the 0996 a later revised card over the 3 or 4997 ? then like why one is in a brown box and the rest is in evga logo retail boxed ? non referbed factory 2ed ? like I say you see that deal scratch your head and wonder whats up with that ? anyway that linda why I went with the hybrid it was a bit more cut and dry on what I was really getting
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 08:59:00
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It looks like mine is a Gaming REF. It might be headed back. If it won't perform I don't want it.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 09:28:30
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There is no 0996 980 Ti Classified. That's a Hybrid watercooled card. 0998 - full classified speeds, no backplate, no LEDs 3997 - REF speeds, has backplate, has LEDs 4998 - full classified speeds, has backplate, has LEDs Edit, if there is a 4997 it would be REF clocked
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 09:38:51
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If I can't cancel this delivery and have it sent back without having to pay extra out of my pocket I will be modding the snots out of this BIOS. The other Classified Clock Rate board doesn't have a backplate and the 4998 or whatever is way too much plus I don't get free shipping like the one that is on the way, I have to pay $16.00 extra just for shipping to get a 'real' Classified video board? No $50 MIR either! Just got off the phone with UPS and it is too late to refuse delivery and send it back. I might as well keep it. This poor video board has no idea what is in store for it. Shame on you EVGA for playing tricks on your customers by hanging a Classified label on a lame duck of a video board. Boo hisssss!!!!
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 11:26:43
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ya 0996 0998 see what I mean with out looking that REF was at ref [blower style ] clock speeds but called a classified ?? ''Base Clock: 1000 MHz / Boost Clock: 1190 MHz'' as seen here 06G-P4-4997-KR not 4998 or 0998 3887 or BR549 or abc 123 not the full ''classy'' Base Clock: 1190 MHz / Boost Clock: 1291 MHz https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-CLASSIFIED-Installed-Backplate-06G-P4-4998-KR/dp/B010GK3YYC I guess you got to know exactly what your looking at in them or its buyer beware
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 11:44:26
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Of the Two EVGA 06G-P4-4998-KR's I bought from EVGA during the 17th Anniversary Sale, One had to be RMA'd (No Boot) so I couldn't read the ASIC, But they are cross-shipping me another one that is hopefully better. The Second one that I received has a 79.9% ASIC Score which is almost as high as my 980ti Kingpin was (81.2%).
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 12:22:59
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I do see guys who got the 0998 are happy with them ?? I guess that like the guy above states 4998 - full classified speeds, has backplate, has LEDs then that 06G-P4-4997-KR is the ref clocked speed classy ? like I said better know what one your looking at carefully man that's just too all over the place what was it like the ssc 970 evga made like 7 or so of them [crazy] I guess its now hope you new card is all you expected with out issue and good luck and enjoy you know just to add being the 900 cards are old hat to the latest 10 series I wonder if no binning is going on due the there end of there run and any old chip coming down the line is used in any pcb of the series ? kinda a out with the old and in with the new luck of the draw near the end run maybe even more important then ever ?
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 15:11:45
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 19:36:36
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I love my 0998 - I didn't want a backplate to begin with since it's a tight fit with my Kraken X41 140mm radiator right above the card.
Build log in the mods rigs link to the left, but I can get 1525MHz with it water cooled. 1466 max aircooled. ASIC is 76% or so, maybe 78 (not next to it atm).
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/05 22:36:58
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My Classified I just got from Newegg is a 0998 & I'm running it with my 980ti SC ACX 2.0+ (or whatever the thingy is) . The ASIC quality is at 71.8% , lower than the SC 76.1% . When I break the sli the Classy will run & 1405 boost , 1361 in sli . Maybe I need to swap the cards (on the board) or don't go thru the hassle ?
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/06 05:37:30
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Mine is still sitting in the box. I haven't opened it yet and can't cancel the RMA for refund. Every time I try I get an error banner. It's still a 980 ti and I should / might be able to reach 1500 on air depending on the ASIC quality. I might even get my very first taste of the world famous EVGA coil whine!
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/06 06:43:36
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You just don't Know for sure what ASIC % you will get in a Maxwell Chip. I have had them anywhere from 81.2% (Just because it was a BINNED Kingpin 980 Ti) / 79.9% in my Latest 980 Ti Classy, All the way down to 65.4% in a $1200 EVGA Titan X Hydro Copper! It is STILL the Luck of the Draw.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/06 06:57:25
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hallowen You just don't Know for sure what ASIC % you will get in a Maxwell Chip. I have had them anywhere from 81.2% (Just because it was a BINNED Kingpin 980 Ti) / 79.9% in my Latest 980 Ti Classy, All the way down to 65.4% in a $1200 EVGA Titan X Hydro Copper! It is STILL the Luck of the Draw.
I don't have anything to try it in just yet. Well, I do have the Z77A-G45 Gaming with the i7-2600k but I don't feel like tinkering today. All I really need to do is remove the 680 and plug in that 980 ti but I'm just not up to it today. I'd like to find a decent case for the final assembly. I just put it into an old Rosewill case for now just to give me something to do.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/09 13:47:57
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Use the Classified Voltage Tool to raise and lower voltage. On air, you'll want to keep it under 1.187v with fans at 100%. With an ASIC in the low 60's, I would guess you'd be lucky to see 1500, even if you kept it really cool. The 2nd bios on the Classy has increased TDP and Power Limit settings. It doesn't do much....if you were hitting a power limit perf cap with the stock bios, it'll help, but if you're not....it's not going to do anything for you. The best bios mod you can do, is watch your voltages at each and every level of CLK in the boost tab, and match the low side voltage in the voltage tab, to that voltage, up to the point where you want the card to boost to, without having to touch the core slider in PrecisionX (not too high, or it'll be unstable as heat rises). It takes a while to get it tuned just right, but...when done right, it's quite nice. The hardest thing about overclocking the classy, is handling the balancing act between voltage, heat and core clock. Too much heat, and you'll need more voltage to keep a specific core clock stable, which in turn, will cause more heat....never ending cycle of "how do I keep this card cooler". G'luck. EDIT: The Classy voltage tool can be found here: http://forum.kingpincooling.com/showthread.php?t=3801
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 05:09:18
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I have an ASIC of 78.9 but as soon as it reaches 58° it drops 13 MHz during benchmarks. Fans at 100%, Power Limit at 115%, factory clocks. I'll have to see if my "BIOS Wizzard" can do anything to help me with this one. Boosts to 1240 MHz before it drops to 1227 MHz at 58°C. Using this for testing right now. I just installed a Crucial SSD yesterday: http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=34751
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 05:38:27
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Zuhl3156 I have an ASIC of 78.9 but as soon as it reaches 58° it drops 13 MHz during benchmarks. Fans at 100%, Power Limit at 115%, factory clocks. I'll have to see if my "BIOS Wizzard" can do anything to help me with this one. Boosts to 1240 MHz before it drops to 1227 MHz at 58°C. Using this for testing right now. I just installed a Crucial SSD yesterday: http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=34751
Can't get around the temp levels, man. 55c is that magic layer of "not today" (and another one about 35c). That's not in the bios, its in the hardware. Could maybe reduce the voltage for that CLK setting so it's not running so hot....if it'll run lower voltage there. Mind if I take a peek at your bios?
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 05:49:17
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I'm using my main PC "Mab III" right now and don't have the other hooked up to anything right now. As soon as I get a chance I'll extract both BIOS and upload to OneDrive. I said throttling due to temps too but EVGA suport disagrees with me. I didn't think these boards were supposed to throttle this low and see other complaining about running as hot as 80° or more. Here is what support told me but I am not buying it: "I don't think the throttling is caused by temps at all. The card won't begin to throttle until it is over 80C in temperature. What I'm thinking is that the power consumption by the cooler itself may play a role because it is still sharing the same power going to the actual PCB but the throttling is so small I wouldn't be concerned about it at all since a mere 13mhz won't even affect one FPS. You can also try locking the GPU clock and voltage by enabling K-boost so the graphics card can operate at top performance at all times. The LN2 bios theoretically allows for more voltage and allows the graphics card to operate at subzero temperatures hence LN2."
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 06:45:40
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got 2x 980 TI Classfield. One of them is 82% Asic. The other 72% Asic. 82% Card: Will do 1572Mhz on core. 72% Card: Will do 1519Mhz on core. Both is on air with fans on max for benchmark. Memory will both run at 2100 = 8.4Ghz with 1.69 volt on the memory controller.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 06:55:25
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Nicklas0912 got 2x 980 TI Classfield. One of them is 82% Asic. The other 72% Asic. 82% Card: Will do 1572Mhz on core. 72% Card: Will do 1519Mhz on core. Both is on air with fans on max for benchmark. Memory will both run at 2100 = 8.4Ghz with 1.69 volt on the memory controller.
I haven't tried to do any overclocking yet. I don't have a real Classified either so IDK how well it will go. I have a reject that didn't meet specs and was released as a 'REF' model which has reference clock rates probably because it has a defective temp sensor making it throttle at such a low temp. I saw a Classified on sale for the Anniversary Event and thought I finally had myself a top notch video board for a reasonable price. Silly me!
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 07:32:44
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Zuhl3156 I'm using my main PC "Mab III" right now and don't have the other hooked up to anything right now. As soon as I get a chance I'll extract both BIOS and upload to OneDrive. I said throttling due to temps too but EVGA suport disagrees with me. I didn't think these boards were supposed to throttle this low and see other complaining about running as hot as 80° or more. Here is what support told me but I am not buying it: "I don't think the throttling is caused by temps at all. The card won't begin to throttle until it is over 80C in temperature. What I'm thinking is that the power consumption by the cooler itself may play a role because it is still sharing the same power going to the actual PCB but the throttling is so small I wouldn't be concerned about it at all since a mere 13mhz won't even affect one FPS. You can also try locking the GPU clock and voltage by enabling K-boost so the graphics card can operate at top performance at all times. The LN2 bios theoretically allows for more voltage and allows the graphics card to operate at subzero temperatures hence LN2."
Eh...because they're not technically "throttling" due to high temps. The architecture just won't run higher clocks at various temps. For above 1500 on most cards, you need to get the temps below around 55c. Mileage may vary, depending on ASIC. To get close to 1600, you'll need 35c or less. Again, mileage will vary depending on ASIC. I'm sure there's another layer even lower, but I don't run sub-ambient, so I'll never see it. Pascal is even worse, with these "thermal layers".
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 08:46:41
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I'll get these VBIOS uploaded shortly. That Corsair SPEC-01 case is as light as a paper bag. I intended this 980 ti for my Z77 build but I couldn't get it to power up at all. I assembled it first using the Intel factory cooler to be sure that the 2600k was indeed functional and it was. The only change I made was to attach my Cooler Master V8 CPU cooler. I had used this same cooler on this exact motherboard before I bought my Swiftech H220 and it always kept my temps at or below 70°C at 4.5 GHz 1.356v. The Z97 PC Mate doesn't support SLI so if this MSI Z77 won't work after I put it in the new case it looks like I will be using the PC Mate instead and should have bought a GTX-1060 for it. I just wish EVGA made something other than that pocket sized dinky thing for their 1060.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 10:02:22
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Mind if I take a peek at your bios?
Here you go. This should be Public so you should not have any problems looking: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoJApSpg5vSIrWTU8bkpXGzAShUCLN2 BIOS takes my Power Limit from 115% to 141%. Nothing else stands out to me. I don't even have my email installed yet or any Windows Updates. I'll try getting some updates and if I don't get anywhere it's back to Mab. Having a hard time setting the Sharing options. https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoJApSpg5vSIrWTU8bkpXGzAShUCOneDrive has made some changes since the last time I used it. Shucks!
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 11:40:40
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Here, man. Copy the voltage table and power table settings into your bios and give this a shot. Watch what your card boosts to with KBoost...it could potentially be a tad higher, depending on your GPU. I set the voltages for my 76% ASIC card, so it'd boost to 1483 before I put my core offset in. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6zqzZ0qTCB5cEJkWWlielFoMzA
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 12:03:07
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I'll take a look, thanks. I can't get this pig to find any updates and I can't find that post that listed something they called "The Hammer" that would find updates much quicker. Still trying to decide on which benchmark I want to use. Firestrike makes me sit through that damn demo. I don't really like Heaven 4.0 but it looks like I'll be using that or Heaven 3.0 if I ever get this thing to update. P.S. I'm not real keen on putting PrecisionX on my PC. It is too unstable since EVGA parted company with their qualified Developer. I actually haven't used Precision since 2011.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 12:27:14
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there were a lot of guys that noticed there 900 cards would drop off at like 60c as you describe see a lot of that from 970 users [cause they were out first ] maybe for example ? http://www.overclock.net/t/1528783/msi-gtx-970-gaming-voltage-throttling-at-65-deg like you they see that small 13 or so MHz I got better results from precision then afterburner on this card [980ti hybrid] ?? then you know how it is with cards [seems I posted on that earlier here in this thread ] may experiment with both to see if one give you a better end result ?
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 12:39:12
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Dr.Death there were a lot of guys that noticed there 900 cards would drop off at like 60c as you describe see a lot of that from 970 users [cause they were out first ] maybe for example ? http://www.overclock.net/t/1528783/msi-gtx-970-gaming-voltage-throttling-at-65-deg like you they see that small 13 or so MHz I got better results from precision then afterburner on this card [980ti hybrid] ?? then you know how it is with cards [seems I posted on that earlier here in this thread ] may experiment with both to see if one give you a better end result ?
It eats up the 13mhz chunks, because that's what's set in the voltage and boost tables for the CLK settings. Boost table: CLK 68 = 1506.5 CLK 69 = 1519 CLK 70 = 1531.5 The voltage table CLK settings for voltage, correspond with those clock settings. Now, as the GPU heats up, it needs more voltage for specific clocks, so it downclocks to move to the next level down. Not because it's trying to cool itself off, like a true thermal throttle, but because it's requiring too much voltage for that clock (CLK level). Now, you can widen the gap on the CLK settings in the voltage table, but with the additional heat, also comes instability...so, most of the time, that's not going to do anything for you. You can, however, control what the GPU will boost to, by altering those settings. At least until you get to that point where the heat at the clock / voltage you're running starts to cause instability again. It's a balancing act....took me two months to get my 970s tuned just right, and a month to get this 980ti Classy tuned in...and still working on it a little, here and there. For a really simple bios mod, just move the TDP, PCIe slot, Power Limit and 8 / 6 pins up so you're not hitting the power limit any more....the voltage and boost table starts to get a little more difficult. Most of the modded bios files out there posted up on forums are the simple bios mod type. 600 WATT POWER LIMIT!!! Which, to most people looks pretty awesome, until you consider that the only thing they've really done, is remove the power limit perf cap.
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 12:40:22
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Zuhl3156 I'll take a look, thanks. I can't get this pig to find any updates and I can't find that post that listed something they called "The Hammer" that would find updates much quicker. Still trying to decide on which benchmark I want to use. Firestrike makes me sit through that damn demo. I don't really like Heaven 4.0 but it looks like I'll be using that or Heaven 3.0 if I ever get this thing to update. P.S. I'm not real keen on putting PrecisionX on my PC. It is too unstable since EVGA parted company with their qualified Developer. I actually haven't used Precision since 2011.
Looking for faster Win 7 updates ? To finish updates you will need to update IE first Slipstream Windows 7 SP1 into a Installation DVD or ISO FileLINKhttp://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/145343-slipstream-windows-7-sp1-into-installation-dvd-iso-file.html
post edited by Cool GTX - 2016/08/10 12:44:57
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Re: Cant Overclock 980 Ti Classified 4998-KR
2016/08/10 13:07:34
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''Boost table: CLK 68 = 1506.5 CLK 69 = 1519 CLK 70 = 1531.5 ya I blame NVidia boost 2 ? then it may peak up to XXXx clock then level off ? with this hybrid I have not noticed this with it [just that 13mhz ] ,but its not like I looked at it hard if the program puts it up to full load and clocks it stays there until the gpu load if off the card now when overclocking with out a slight voltage offset just moving the slider to that 110% thing did not matter too much I did see it so if the card don't get the volts it needs to hold a clock it will drop it down and you see all that orange spikes in gpu-z perfcap reason , nothing now but blue looks like to me with the 10 series cards and boost 3 there clocks all all over the place at time s?? kwkrnu72 seems to be right with his info on all that + ''It's a balancing act....''
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