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2013/03/01 13:04:04 (permalink)
I grabbed an XFX 8800GTX off of a forum member here on EVGA forums a while back, and I took it apart  to apply new thermal paste. In the process, a lot of the thermal pads are like half on there, would it harm the RAM(?) if I just put thermal paste instead of thermal pads on the RAM(?)?

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/01 16:02:22 (permalink)
    Yes, but you are going to want to do a test mount to see what the contact looks like. If it looks like it is mating good go ahead and use TIM, if the contact looks poor, you are going to want to order some. I would imagine .5mm to be the right thickness.
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/01 21:44:15 (permalink)
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    Yes, but you are going to want to do a test mount to see what the contact looks like. If it looks like it is mating good go ahead and use TIM, if the contact looks poor, you are going to want to order some. I would imagine .5mm to be the right thickness.
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    I see. Thanks for the advice, if it doesn't make proper contact ill just pull it apart and buy some pads when I get the money.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/01 21:57:53 (permalink)
    The 0.5mm thermal pads from frozencpu are what i have on my 8800 Ultras, i tested 1.0mm thermal pads and the gpu ihs doesnt make contact with the heatsink.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/01 23:20:44 (permalink)
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    The 0.5mm thermal pads from frozencpu are what i have on my 8800 Ultras, i tested 1.0mm thermal pads and the gpu ihs doesnt make contact with the heatsink.

    Oh ty. Did you ever try to just use thermal paste? I'm wondering if that works.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/04 12:43:36 (permalink)
    Just tried today earlier with only thermal paste and none of the chips made contact.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/07 13:15:30 (permalink)
    I often use thermal paste to replace thermal pads both on notebook computers and GPUs. The result is always more cooler running hardware. But it depends on the distance and type of heatsink. Take these precautions:
     
    1. The termal paste must be non-conductive. Arctic Silver 5 will not do the job as it is conductive.
    2. The paste must be thick enough so it will not flow away.
    3. The paste must be stable enough in long term so it will not either disintegrate into components and flow away or become like rock and develop air gap.
     
    Right now using eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra AGP with OCZ Freeze instead of termal pads. 54C idle temperature with case temperature 39C.
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/07 18:05:20 (permalink)
    unfortunately Nvidia has long had a problem with QC of their heatsinks and uses thermal pads to make up for the slop, at one point they where using these cheese cloth looking things that fell apart the first time you pulled the heat sink off (my 8800gt has that type) just pick some up at frozen cpu, i used these since they have the best rating of any pads i have found http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16732/

                                   
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/08 03:50:27 (permalink)
    Do not use thermal paste where there are thermal pads. Heatsinks are designed to to make contact with components, normally the most critical will get the paste (which is a better thermal conductor than pads). Because of tolerances, chips sitting on balls/solder and component height variability, thermal pads are used to take of the "slop" (as mentioned). Because of the viscosity of the thermal grease, it's not made to cover large gaps. I see most of the pads used are ~40 mil, this is way too much gap for the grease to work effectively. It would be like cooling the component by convection and not conduction. If its got a thermal pad, I would expect that it is engineered to use it that way and failure to do so would lead to failure...
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/08 07:21:00 (permalink)
    I dont agree. Thermal paste works better for me almost every time. Just make sure that the contact is complete and solid. Just take time and planning to apply the paste properly.
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/08 08:01:56 (permalink)
    Can you? Yes
    Should you? No
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/03/16 07:15:57 (permalink)
    Funny finding this later. I used ceramigue about 6 months ago during a cleaning time and from the start the temps were 2 to 3 celsius lower. Have had no issues. Do a test fit for squeeze out and tolerances. You should be all good after it firms up.
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/08/13 20:31:56 (permalink)
    Hi everyone!
     
    this is my first post, i know xD
    I would like to know how i can check the temperature of the heatsinks?
    I have msi afterburner installed. The temperature that shows there is from the gpu's processor, correct?
    To check the heatsinks temperature, do i need another software?
    Im so sorry for the nooooob question
    My heatsinks are with thermal paste instead of cooling pads. And i don't trust very much this method.. but im not sure what to beleive even though the temps are looking good at the moment
     
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/08/14 05:22:45 (permalink)
    You could , but its gonna be messy and troublesome

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/08/19 11:33:10 (permalink)
    to check the temp of the heatsink you will need some type of external tool, no heatsink i know of has a built in temp sensor. even the built in gpu, pcb and memory sensors are not 100% accurate. 

                                   
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/08/19 17:42:13 (permalink)
    don't remove the thermal pads they are designed for the spacing between the heatsink and memory.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/08/21 10:13:49 (permalink)
    I would order pads , buy if you really need the card running , use a glob on each chip and assemble.
     
    I have also added a dab of paste to the chips and heatsink, then placed damaged pads (chunks of pads) as a temporary solution and it worked fine.
     
    But, once the pads arrive I would install them right away.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/08/22 19:01:48 (permalink)
    Yes,use the pads they put them on their for a reason,no need to reinvent the horse.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/03 15:16:04 (permalink)
    Sorry for the bump, but I was wondering if it is also better to use thermal pads instead of grease if I am water cooling my card. Thanks.

     
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/24 14:01:37 (permalink)
    i used Arctic MX-4 and while it took a while, my GTX 260 has finally settled down considerably from where it was
    I cleaned up the old pads and used MX-4 and it now no longer overheats with demanding games 
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/24 19:19:33 (permalink)
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    Sorry for the bump, but I was wondering if it is also better to use thermal pads instead of grease if I am water cooling my card. Thanks.



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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/25 06:11:10 (permalink)
    lol I didn't know it mattered for evry block, I thought it was more or less the same for every one. My manual says to use pads but idk, I thought that using just paste would make a dif.

     
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/25 11:27:21 (permalink)
    That manufacturer says to use pads because the gap is too large to use paste. They know what is best for their hardware.

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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/25 11:28:15 (permalink)
    lol alright cool, I appreciate the info.

     
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2013/09/25 13:05:53 (permalink)
    As others have said, you don't want to use paste where a thermal pad was designed. The gap is too great and the viscosity (and evaporation) of paste will cause it to migrate, and sooner than later you will have no thermal transfer. Compounds are designed for a thin film use and that is what the are also spec'd at. This is also why they tend to have better thermal conductivity then thermal pads.
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2014/03/17 04:26:18 (permalink)
    You can replace thermal pads with apropriate thermal paste which is designed to replace thermal pads. Normal thermal pastes should be of high viscocity in order to cover only the very small gaps between the CPU (or other hot component) and the heat sink so there should be in no way as thermal pad replacement. A thermal paste that is designed to replace thermal pads should be very gummy in order to cover big gaps and of very high thermal conductivity. There is one called K5-PRO  which is designed for iMac computers but should be fine for any other computer. You can find videos of it on youtube and it is avaliable on ebay. Just search for
     
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    Re:Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2014/03/17 09:45:42 (permalink)
    In most cases that thermal pads are used there is quite a large gap between the component and the cooling medium. There for it is not going to always be possible to make contact between the two surfaces using liquid type products. If there is a thermal pad on something I would suggest to replace a thermal pad with only another thermal pad.

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    Re: Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2016/04/29 06:24:10 (permalink)
    You shouldn't use ordinary paste when you want to replace thermal pads. The only paste I know that can replace thermal pads (asside from the one that apple uses which is not commercialy available) is K5-PRO thermal paste. Also if you want to drop the temperatures of your pc even further you should use thermal paste combined with copper shim like so:

     
    Personally I find K5-PRO really helpfull since it drops the temperatures of my laptops dramaticaly and I don't have to measure and cut pads since it is in a paste form. (yes I am a bit lazy :P )
     
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    Re: Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2016/04/29 06:27:38 (permalink)
    Well it seems I can't post videos here...
    You can search on youtube for a video of K5-PRO if you like.
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    Re: Can you put thermal paste instead of thermal pads? 2016/04/29 07:00:32 (permalink)
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    Well it seems I can't post videos here...
    You can search on youtube for a video of K5-PRO if you like.
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