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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 13:37:20
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A returned ocz cryoz is not getting anywhere near 350-400w's with that tiny compressor and condensor. More like 200w's if you don't want the unit to floodback to death.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 13:44:42
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ncspecv81 A returned ocz cryoz is not getting anywhere near 350-400w's with that tiny compressor and condensor. More like 200w's if you don't want the unit to floodback to death. you we're doing good...that thing is rated at 120 watts.. the other guy said he did something to the oil..(not the phase change expert so don't kill the messenger..lol) that was how they got it up to 350 to 400...(speculations of course)
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 13:52:09
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Hmmm. Could some one here please answer one simple question for me. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ALL ABOUT? This thread makes no sense other than it diverting this so called conversation away from the Stability thread. Other than that, it really makes no sense. You guys are arguing apples and oranges really. Give it a rest and let this thread run it's natual course. Let it die where it sits. Geez. Oh, and as far as wattage for that unit goes, I've looked into it and it is originally only suppose to handle 125watts. That's why I didn't even consider it when I decided to go Phase. The VC LS I have is rated at 240w load which is fine for me. I'm sure a mixture would give better cooling over original blend but the level at which it does for the period of time it can hold the temp and wattage can only be handled with a bigger compressor. To get 400w from the compressor size the OCZ has would be a bit of a stretch really since it's been only rated at 125w.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 13:55:56
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that's like expecting to double your hp by just changing the gas in your car. You need to make drastic changes to the core components to get those types of gains. That heat load is not happening on those parts. /end thread.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 14:05:14
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I wont try to comment on the O.C . as i still havent jumped up to an i7 setup But ,I do know how to build and tune phase change system's, I have 3 finished units sitting on the bench right now . A small refrigeration compressor like whats used in the cryo z "can" be tuned for 400 watts ,but it will be hard pressed to hold a load at -0c temperatures . Its not as simple as regassing the system ,you will also have to alter the captube length and or diameter, and possibly replace the condenser with a larger one ... By the time youve accomplished that, a custom single stage will cost you less to build and perform better , much much better. There is no problem building a 24/7 Single Stage that will hit -40 at 400 watts load, it just takes alittle $$$ and a smart builder. XS has many there capable of that. My 2 cents...
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 14:08:03
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im pretty certain the exact reason for this thread was to take the conversation out of the stability thread. as NC said you would need drastic changes to get anywhere near the performance they are claiming.. at that point it would be far more sensible just to buy a unit made from those high end parts to begin with
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/17 14:43:12
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yeah...i can't even say much else about all that stuff..and i have like 3 air conditioning compnies as clients...lol
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 03:59:42
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I find it very funny you claim to able to buy a better unit from someone else but have not even used our unit>>> With SS there is only so far you can go when modding them, and with the max modifications to a SS unit...they are the same. They are at least better than the original units.Thats all we are doing with our mod. Trying make it woth the money someone spends. OK mabey not 3-4 hundrend watts of heat removal but certianly more than 200 watts. As I stated I dont think that watt table is correct anyway. We will post or LINX screen shot this morning and hopefully you all will be satified. Currently going after the 4.81Ghz 4 core 4 screen shot....
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 06:43:22
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custombuiltcomputers We will post or LINX screen shot this morning and hopefully you all will be satified. Currently going after the 4.81Ghz 4 core 4 screen shot.... Bit of a waste of time, if you are only going to run it with 4 cores. 4 cores with HT enabled is what you were asked for.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 06:54:55
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kitfit1 custombuiltcomputers We will post or LINX screen shot this morning and hopefully you all will be satified. Currently going after the 4.81Ghz 4 core 4 screen shot.... Bit of a waste of time, if you are only going to run it with 4 cores. 4 cores with HT enabled is what you were asked for. I wish ppl would quit going on about LinX and HT enable. LinX is a linpack routine which is well known to not work properly with HT 8 thread setup. It's buggy at best and does not really give an acurate read on stability. Running 4 core/threads will place same amount of load and generate just as much heat.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 06:58:49
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST.....AS STATED BEFORE SOME PEOPLE JUST THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL.................. People should reserch the software before running as we did. We never ran this before so did a bit of homework first...mabey others should do the same___:0)
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 07:08:55
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custombuiltcomputers THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST.....AS STATED BEFORE SOME PEOPLE JUST THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL.................. People should reserch the software before running as we did. We never ran this before so did a bit of homework first...mabey others should do the same___:0) Who are you yelling at?
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 07:27:46
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soory............didnt see caps lock
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 07:29:44
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custombuiltcomputers soory............didnt see caps lock NP. Still. Who were directing your comment to?
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 07:40:01
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I am talking about buying a custom unit, they start with better components to begin with with drastically reduces cost. I can buy a very good SS for $600 delivered from Sdumper which is actually tuned for a 300w load. My point is you guys take a bad unit, tune it and regas it and then sell it for almost double the cost. That is in no way "worth the money someone spends." If you dont believe me then by all means, contact scott.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 07:52:21
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SDumper is a reliable and honest builder,you'll get a very nice system from him. Good luck, and have fun when you get it.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 08:48:27
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trs32505 Running 4 core/threads will place same amount of load and generate just as much heat. I have no problem with you saying that Linx is buggy and it dosn't give you an accurate result as to stability. I never said it did. This thread was origionally part of the i7 stability thread, which you full well know requires peeps to run Linx. The expectation is that CBGPCS will run Linx, it's as simple as that. What is plainly a load of rubbish though is your statement in the quote above. 4 cores with HT off will generate considerably less heat than 4 cores with HT on. Frankly i'm amazed that you seem to think otherwise.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 08:58:51
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Sdumper lives close by and we have benched a bit. Seems like a good guy and I'm glad to see his reputation is growing.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/18 09:47:24
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kitfit1 trs32505 Running 4 core/threads will place same amount of load and generate just as much heat. I have no problem with you saying that Linx is buggy and it dosn't give you an accurate result as to stability. I never said it did. This thread was origionally part of the i7 stability thread, which you full well know requires peeps to run Linx. The expectation is that CBGPCS will run Linx, it's as simple as that. What is plainly a load of rubbish though is your statement in the quote above. 4 cores with HT off will generate considerably less heat than 4 cores with HT on. Frankly i'm amazed that you seem to think otherwise. +1, Shock, there is a very VERY clear difference in temps in LinX with HT on and HT off. In most cases about 10C.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 00:29:42
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custombuiltcomputers Currently going after the 4.81Ghz 4 core 4 screen shot.... Posted 20hrs ago. I take it that even with 4 cores, Linx didn't go the distance.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 00:44:25
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*snickering* been waiting to see the temps on this modified ocz.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 02:48:40
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I should have my CBGPCS Modified OCZ Phase here on Monday or Tuesday... I can give you some temps shortly there after. Like I said before... my main concern is the compressor... on further research it looks like it is a 1/5 hp ZEL GQY70A... I don't know if that is good or bad... maybe some of the others with phase knowledge could chime in on that one. I think the Vapochill LS uses a Danfoss NF11fx and some other custom builds use the SC18CLX. I can say that I have done business with CBGPCS and they have taken excellent care of me both in quality products and especialy customer service. I have bought several TEC water chillers from them that work quite nice and they are backing this unit with a one year guaranty... which is much better than what comes with the stock unit from OCZ. Man all this talk about phase units has really given me the desire to have a unit that will handle an i7 at 1.6v - 1.7 v vcore it would be amazing if this unit could do it for the price I payed... we shall shortly see!
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 09:36:09
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kitfit1 custombuiltcomputers Currently going after the 4.81Ghz 4 core 4 screen shot.... Posted 20hrs ago. I take it that even with 4 cores, Linx didn't go the distance. It would appear so...no surprise there. @overclocker333 - if you want to get answers on the quality of the parts try posting to XS Phase section. There's some pretty knowledgeable people that operate there. Personally, I am more of a water guy and I am not aware of many people that are experts at Phase around here. Maybe Jacob can answer it?
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 11:40:54
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dejanh It would appear so...no surprise there. Yep, was my point really. I just feel sorry for any peeps that have actually parted with hard earned cash for this, because based on the claims made, in the UK it would be classed as false advertising. Which involves large fines. I don't know what happens in the USA, but i would guess similar.
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 13:36:12
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We have run some tests with the program LinX 4 core 4 thread. This is in no way trying to show how stable our processor is with this program. We do not have hours and hours to run this stability test just to satisfy a few people in the forums. What we do want to show is the heat removal capacity of our modded OCZ unit. There was a post in the beginning of the thread of a screen shot of a W3540 @ 4.818 @ 1.41 volts. This individual stated he had a custom built phase unit from someone over at XS and that it was calibrated to 220 watts of heat removal. His average running temps @ 4.818 @ 1.41 volts was in the mid 30c rang with a peak of 34c. We have set our i7-975 to the same clocks but with much more voltage than he was running. All and all we feel that the test results we are posting should be creating more heat than his run at the settings he listed. We like to show temps with Everest for it can show the rise and level off of temps throughout the test. We have also run Real temp for that seems to be the program used throughout this thread. As you can sfies some of the skeptics here slamming our modded unit. Oil change allows the use of different refrigerants, hence our blend of three gases works well. Link listed below of test runs with temp..... <a href=" http://s1006.photobucket.com/albums/af190/cbgpcs/?action=view¤t=2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src=" http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af190/cbgpcs/2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 13:38:47
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Looks like some good temps... I can't wait to see what I can do with it on my w3570
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 13:39:26
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so it's at 30 degrees? did you run any with all 8 threads enabled??
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 13:43:39
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we diplicated the same run as the screen shot below but with much higher voltage click the x...dont know why it is not showing but link works
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 13:51:57
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4 cores 4 threads...If you do some reaserch on this program you all are running, which we do anytime running something we have not run before you will find it is not very HT friendly...
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Re:CBGPCS OCZ Phase Disscusion
2009/12/19 13:56:30
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did plenty of research...already know the difference between 4 and 8..but im not about to be disabling 4 threads because that's not what i paid for...i paid for 4 cores and 8 threads and when the gulftowns hit...ill pay for 6 cores and 12 threads...lol i would not buy a 12 cylinder car and then go and have 6 cylinders disabled...makes no sense what so ever with what im doing... and it's already been stated that the linx is bugged, but it works for what they we're trying to see.... but thanks allot for taking the time to run that! greatly appreciated!
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