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2016/10/20 18:30:41 (permalink)
Okay so i have a sfx case with a brand new gtx1080ftw. My temps with no OC yet running heaven at 3440x1440p are at 85c.

This case has 0 airflow. I feel like my cap for clock when ocing is 2139. Have yet to push past that.

Did i make a mistake by getting the acx cooler? Should i return this card and get the SC blower one? Will i see better temps with this card there for possibly get better OCing?

Max temp this thing has reached under just regular BF1 gameplay is 85c. And with heaven 88c. I had to stop heaven because it was just gradually getting warmer and warmer over the course of 30 minutes.

Any ideas? Thanks for the time!
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    MikeBGeyer
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 19:27:10 (permalink)
    Not sure your temps will be much better with a blower style. My FE's would reach 85 under normal gameplay and would clock down to base clock speeds even with an OC and 100% fan speed. Oh and it was LOUD! I mean LOUD! The SC with a blower is a bad idea because it will most likely throttle down to base clocks. I think they just wanted to offer a cheaper card for water cooling customers. The only pics I have seen of your case are from the digital storm website. If your cpu is water cooled I would get a hydro copper and add it to the loop if your cpu is not water cooled water cool it and add the gpu to the loop. This is the only way your going to get your max out of the card. My hybrids run awesome an are silent.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 20:59:35 (permalink)
    Is adding my GPU to the loop difficult? I have no extra fan spots at all...I only have 2 hoses and they go to my CPU with water cooled.  Where do I start in this process.  Do i need to return this card and get an entirely different card? 
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 21:39:18 (permalink)
    Its shouldn't be too hard. This Hydro Copper plate will fit your card  http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=400-HC-5189-B1YOU . You would have to drain the liquid out of your system and add the card to your loop. Did you build your PC? If so what CPU cooler do you have? Where is the radiator located for that loop? You would have to get two fittings for the Hydro Copper and some tubing plus some more fluid. You would have to flush your loop out with distilled water. From the pics I saw on the case website they had a card hooked up to the loop. Here is a video of some one flushing his system to give you an idea of what to do.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 21:44:11 (permalink)
    This is another option http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5188-B1. You would have to install this on your card which is not hard. BUT you would have to mount or position the radiator outside of your case by passing the radiator out the back through PCIE plates you remove to install the card. You would pass the radiator through first then install your card but then the radiator would just sit there on the floor or desk. The only other option would be get a new case and go with part in the link in this post as they preform really well and are very silent.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 22:17:18 (permalink)
    Okay so the 2nd option...the radiator/fan can just freely sit there or hang or stick to a wall or something?  No i did not build my PC...it is custom built from Digital Storm. I have their Hydro Lux 2 cooler i believe. Radiator is located at the very top of the case. 
     
    And the hydro copper plate will fit the gtx 1080 FTW? Or just a regular gtx 1080 founders? Their size is pretty different. 
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 22:22:59 (permalink)
    Just for comparison purposes I have a Corsair 780T case and my 1080 FTW temps under full 100 percent load never get above 65 degrees C. 

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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 22:28:22 (permalink)
    Actually both of those options will not work as they do not fit a gtx 1080 FTW.  One is for reference cards only, and the other covers 1080s but not the FTW edition. 
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 22:45:26 (permalink)
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    Actually both of those options will not work as they do not fit a gtx 1080 FTW.  One is for reference cards only, and the other covers 1080s but not the FTW edition. 


    Yes this is true for some reason I was thinking you had a super clocked and not a FTW.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 22:49:19 (permalink)
    But this will work if you wanted to add a gpu to your loop. http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=08G-P4-6299-KR If you did get a hybrid setup the radiator would just sit loosely or you could mount it to the case with Velcro but you would need to make sure it has good airflow. I would go with the Hydro Copper and add it to the loop if you can but if you don't mind having the radiator on the ouside of the case this would be the easiest solution.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 22:52:10 (permalink)
    I'm not sue but I think EK has a water block for the FTW now so you could just buy that and add it to your card.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:02:20 (permalink)
    Who knows when the copper hydro will come back in stock. I bet there are tons of people waiting on that one. Does tha radiator for the hybrid have to be open on both sides? Or can it be flat against a surface or something?
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:18:36 (permalink)

    You could try putting it flush on something but the temps would be higher you really need to give it free airflow. if I were to go that route I would Velcro the side of the radiator to the back of the case. If you decide to do this just make sure the radiator would pass through the back like I described. Try and pass a 120mm fan when you have your card removed. If it fits it would work you could always remove the fan from the radiator and pass the radiator through then reinstall the fan for more clearance. Here is a pic of my setup and you can see how I passed mine through but I have more expansion slots.

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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:22:01 (permalink)
    The back of my case unfortunately doesn't have a slot or holes for the radiator to sit up against. This is just so frustrating :( i am literally at a loss of what to do.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:26:43 (permalink)
    I'm guessing there isn't room at the top of your case next to the CPU radiator? If there is you could install it there. I just checked out a another pic of your case. One other option is to get another CPU cooler with just a 120mm rad or a 140 if it will fit and the you would have room for the Hybrid radiator. You would have to make sure both would fit up top because the radiator are a little large because the have reservoirs on both ends.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:30:38 (permalink)
    It would still work if you put Velcro on the SIDE of the radiator and then Velcro it any where to the back of the case.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:38:50 (permalink)
    I did not realize how your CPU cooler was installed before but now that I had a better look it would be easy to remove that cooler and add a water block to it. That would be the way to go. You could do it all outside of your case. You would have to get a different card and install the Hydro Copper kit onto it which is in stock it would be fairly simple. Don't be too intimidated by it once you had it done it would be worth it and you would be happy and you wouldn't have to do any odd modding.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:41:08 (permalink)
    If you had the money you could take it to a shop but make sure they have done water cooling before and have experience.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/20 23:42:17 (permalink)
    If you live in PA I would do it for you. You don't have any friends that have water cooling experience?
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 05:23:08 (permalink)
    Not with GPU, i would be the first one to ever mess with it.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 07:03:11 (permalink)
    So i would need to get extra piping and stuff to water cool my gpu? Do i have to drain the entite system and everything? I have never done this before really. There is a slot i could possibly fit the radiator up into but one side of it would be against a case wall and the other side would not be 100% open, more like 70% open.

    But i dunno if that will work or what the dimmensions are of the fan/radiator.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 07:25:09 (permalink)
    Get a new case...much cheaper.
     
    I have a 1080 FTW running on my "server" in a cheap Corsair SPEC-02 case ($65-ish).  It does folding @ home 24/7...GPU temp never gets above 65 C at 2100 MHz GPU clock.
     
    Another option is the new Corsair Air 740 ($145-ish).  I just bought this, and moved my main system (5820 K @ 4.3 GHz (AIO cooler), Titan X P @ 2100 MHz (EVGA 1080 AIO cooler modded), EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid (AIO cooler))...and my temperatures dropped 10 C from my old case (NZXT Noctis 450).
     
    I have the 3 120 mm radiators running as intake in the front.
     
    My ambient for my home office is typically 28 C (I live in Florida), and in the new case the Titan X P has never seen over 50 C, the EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid has never seen over 45 C, and the 5820 K CPU has never seen over 65 C.
     
    This is my main system, when I am not gaming, it runs folding @ home 24/7 on both GPUs.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 08:46:13 (permalink)
    Well i love my case. It is amazing. How come i am seeing reports of titan xps running into the 80s but yours is in the 50s. How does that work with a blower style?
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 09:26:55 (permalink)
    You have to read my post..."EVGA 1080 AIO cooler modded":
     
    http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/776114-Build-Log-JrClocker-s-Titan-X-P-AIO-Hybrid-Cooler-Mod
     

     
    If you love your case...and you are not willing to change...then you need to figure out how to get airflow.  This means more intake and exhaust fans running at higher speed...making sure the intake air gets to the components before getting sucked out of the case.  What keeps electronics cool is MOVING air...not just "cool air".  Cool air helps, but moving air does the actual cooling.
     
    I loved my NZXT Noctis 450 case...but I didn't love my memory hitting 50 C or higher.  When I say my temperatures dropped by 10 C with the new case...I meant all.  My memory has not seen above 38 C since I went to the new case.  And now...I like my Corsair Air 740 more than I did the NZXT Noctis 450.
     
    Power dissipation in electronics causes heat.  As electronics get hotter, the draw more power (Physics 101)...which causes them to get hotter...until equilibrium is met.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 10:10:58 (permalink)
    I am 100% for using the hybrid. I just don't have a place to put the fan/radiator. Can i have that radiator just below my main one at the top of my case? Having all of them point up and out of the case. Having one radiator flow into the other and out the case. Is that bad?
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 10:38:27 (permalink)
    Looking at your case online...it's pretty cool looking...but is horrible for airflow.
     
    They show the Swiftec AIO (not a bad unit)...but it does not have enough radiator space to properly cool a CPU and GPU.  The general rule is 120 mm of radiator for each 100 W you are trying to cool.  You didn't list your CPU spec, but your CPU TDP is probably around 100 W (if it's an X99 Motherboard, it's 140 W).  The FTW is a 180 W TDP card (I think).  To liquid cool this properly, you need at least 360 mm of radiator.  You can get away with the 240 mm radiator, but things will run much warmer then they need to.
     
    To answer your question...Yes - in general that's bad.
     
    A water cooling system uses it's "input" air to cool the liquid by moving this air across fins on the radiator.  (Just like your car).
     
    The lowest the liquid temperature can be is the temperature of the air blowing into the radiator.  In reality, the liquid never reaches this temperature as the CPU/GPU is putting heat into the liquid.
     
    The air coming out of the radiator is warmer then the air going into the radiator.
     
    If you "stack" two radiators so that one radiator feeds the other, the second radiator will be cooling it's liquid with very warm air from the first radiator...hence raising the "lowest" temperature it can get it's liquid too.
     
    If you don't want to replace your case, your best bet would be to replace the fans on the Swiftec AIO with higher quality fans that can move more air.  It looks like it's the 240 mm version (you will have to look at it to check).  My recommendations would be:
     
    Corsair ML120: Corsair 120 mm Maglev Fans...they also have 140 mm fans
    Notcua iPPC-2000 PWM: Noctua 120 mm fans...they also have 140 mm versions of these fans
     
    These fans are not cheap (about $30 each) and you will need at least 2.
     
    I put the Corsair fans first as I have run both (currently run the Corsairs) and they make less noise for the same air flow.
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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 10:41:19 (permalink)
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    I am 100% for using the hybrid. I just don't have a place to put the fan/radiator. Can i have that radiator just below my main one at the top of my case? Having all of them point up and out of the case. Having one radiator flow into the other and out the case. Is that bad?

    Your basic problem is that there is not enough air flow in that case to properly cool a GPU that can draw over 200 watts under load.. especially an ACX style. There's a reason they only use blower style in the configurations you can build.  As far as your stacking the rads idea, feeding the warm air of one rad into another isn't a good idea. This is just my opinion, but unless it's impossible due to space constraints, I'd get a more suitable case.

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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 11:01:53 (permalink)
    Those swiftech coolers are super easy to add parts too. You can buy an adapter for like 5 bucks on the swiftech site and even change the size of tubes and barbs if you want. 
     
    Just grab a gpu block a couple fittings and some tube and coolant. Swiftech support is pretty good about responding to any compatibly questions. There are also a few youtube vids of people modding these.  Questions is whats the thermal capacity on that rad and will it dissapate enough to make a huge difference? 
     
     

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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 11:08:10 (permalink)
    Also, I have modded and added parts to Digital storm builds before for other people. They are usually pretty cool about upgrading parts and switching cases etc.
     
    I would check with them first about warranty, support and such just in case you are concerned about support or warranty with them. 
     
    You could always run some tube outside and do an external rad also. rad stand back mount etc. Just a couple thoughts

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    Re: Bolt 3 case with gtx1080 ftw acx, runs hot! 2016/10/21 12:54:19 (permalink)
    Okay well how is the temperature for a pascal titan x? Or another blower? How do i know that will be lower temperatures? Lots say those run hot, just as hot as mine now.
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