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This may be related to the problems some of the EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080 FTW GPU's have were they crash to a black screen when gaming. I have two of them running in my system and they could be part of the batch that shipped with faults. I noticed after playing another game just a while ago that the game resolution on both games that have crashed (Elite Dangerous and Alien Isolation) was set at 3840 x 2160. Other games at non 4k resolution haven't crashed yet. I get about 5 minutes or less into the game, it stops responding, the monitor goes black and computer reboots. Upon checking Event Viewer it gives me a non helpful the system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly. No events in event viewer is the same before the computer crashed is the same or gives an indication anything is wrong. The computer itself is brand new and the power supply when I checked it through the BIOS seems fine, no fluctuations, it's more than adequate for the power needs of the system. Is this part of the problem with faulty GPU's or perhaps the power supply crashes under a heavier load but it stable when nothing much is going on. Any help appreciated, EVGA support are helping me as well but trying to work out what is causing it is frustrating Returning it to the company that put it together is going to be pain as its right across the other side of Australia
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 05:31:43
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So you have DSR enabled to a higher 4K resolution when this occurs and it otherwise does not happen? Are you on a 1080p monitor? EDIT: It would help to know your complete system specs. It is easiest to go to User Control Panel at the top and add them to your signature so that you don't have to constantly put them in. Include any OC you have to components.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 06:58:09
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I have a 4K G-Sync monitor, I set the highest resolution offered in the game itself, I haven't enabled DSR in anything. The two games that crashed both offered this high resolution in graphics options in game the other ones don't. I replayed Alien Isolation at 3840 x 2160 resolution and it was fine for the half an hour I played it, earlier it crashed almost immediately. Elite Dangerous crashes every time after 5 minutes or so, it's set at 3840 x 2160 resolution but it crashing because of this may just be a coincidence. I haven't yet change the resolution to something lower to see if that fixes the problem I've contacted Frontier Development about what is happening to see if the game itself is at fault. The black screen crashing isn't consistent apart from when I play Elite Dangerous so it's hard to work out what is causing it, I was assuming the GPU fault was the culprit going by what others have said and especially the black screen reboot. I just happened to notice both games that crashed were set at this higher resolution and thought I would see perhaps if it was part of problem. That assumption is inconclusive at the moment I've had limited time playing games at the moment half an hour or so each time perhaps so the computer could crash the more time and games I play. I am also worried of damaging something because of the problem occurring multiple times. I need the problem to be replicated so when I return it under warranty they can fix it and they just don't say nothing's wrong as it didn't happen in store. Something isn't working properly with the system and I don't want it to continually crash when playing games as that is what I bought it for. I've mentioned the faulty batch of 1080 GPU's to the store and hopefully that is enough for them to replace them with newer ones shipped after the 30th of August 2016. If that doesn't fix the problem at least one cause has been investigated. **For some reason it won't let me edit my signature to add in my system specs, clicking on it does nothing, annoying I'll look at this later and add them in, got to get them off my invoice anyway**
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 07:15:35
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That clarifies things a good deal more. Are you having the 100% fan issue as well? Or only the black screen? It is actually rebooting the PC? So it isn't truly a black screen that requires you to reset it but it is instead powering off and back on?
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 07:40:23
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I haven't heard the fans speeding up, is it a noticeable noise ? I do wear headphone that may mask that noise Yes it's more of a powering off and on. I play the game, the screen goes black and it powers off and on again, it reboots but doesn't give the Windows your computer didn't shut off cleanly last time message when I login Event viewer shows a Kernel 41 error message when it reboots. It happened the very first time the computer was activated and I installed Elite Dangerous, it crashed almost immediately when I was playing the game The only other game it crashed on so far has been Alien Isolation. I have been assuming it's a GPU problem as the symptoms sound the same but I am trying to work out if it is before sending it back for repair. People on here have more knowledge than me and I am hoping someone may have other ideas. It's getting late in my timezone so I'll check back tomorrow morning. Thanks
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 07:55:04
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You may actually have a power supply or power delivery issue. Is this a brand new system? Sounds that way from your last description.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 11:15:15
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Do steps #2 & #3 listed here to see if it helps stop the black screens in the two games you listed.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 11:16:47
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Sajin Do steps #2 & #3 listed here to see if it helps stop the black screens in the two games you listed.
He doesn't actually have black screen issues, he has reboot issues.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 11:41:23
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when I had this problem some months back it was a failing power supply check event viewer for errors see if it says anything.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 11:56:44
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hellshocker when I had this problem some months back it was a failing power supply check event viewer for errors see if it says anything.
He stated already that he was getting a Kernel 41 error, which could mean power.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/05 12:58:55
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Sajin Do steps #2 & #3 listed here to see if it helps stop the black screens in the two games you listed.
He doesn't actually have black screen issues, he has reboot issues.
Don't think it's a psu issue as other games run fine. @Cymek Does running unigine heaven 4.0 @ 4k with max settings selected cause your system to reboot?
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 08:34:25
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Sorry was busy today and haven't gotten back to my post. I'll run unified heaven as suggested and see what happens. I'm assuming if it crashes it could be the power supply.
Disabling SLI seems to have stopped the computer crashing when playing Elite Dangerous however the game frozen once in a different manner this time, could just be a normal game crash as it didn't reboot.
The fix however doesn't tell me if it's the game or the computer that crashes when SLI is activated. The power supply could handle one GPU at 4k but not both, it should handle both as I checked the power requirements of my system and 1000 watts should be ample.
Someone asked about how old my system is, I got it on the 23rd of September this year so almost new.
The people that assembled it supposedly did a hardware and software compatibility check to make sure it works but that could just be a make sure it boots up and Windows is working.
I am not even sure if the system is overclocked as it's designed to give me this option, I'm new to having a custom system and are still educating myself about all of it.
I'll check back tomorrow as it's late at night here.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 10:16:26
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Please list your complete system specs.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 10:25:08
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Sajin Don't think it's a psu issue as other games run fine. @Cymek Does running unigine heaven 4.0 @ 4k with max settings selected cause your system to reboot? The other games weren't at 4K though. It could be that 4K is simply loading the gpu more than lower resolution, which is exacerbating a power issue whose threshold for problems is simply not being crossed under a lower gpu load. Sometimes I wonder if some of these problems couldn't be diagnosed more easily using a Kill A Watt unit. That would show if in fact more power is being drawn in the various situations that crash or don't crash.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 10:28:04
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Sajin Don't think it's a psu issue as other games run fine. @Cymek Does running unigine heaven 4.0 @ 4k with max settings selected cause your system to reboot? The other games weren't at 4K though. It could be that 4K is simply loading the gpu more than lower resolution, which is exacerbating a power issue whose threshold for problems is simply not being crossed under a lower gpu load. Sometimes I wonder if some of these problems couldn't be diagnosed more easily using a Kill A Watt unit. That would show if in fact more power is being drawn in the various situations that crash or don't crash.
That's why I'm asking the OP to run unigine heaven 4.0 @ max settings.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 10:46:39
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I was speaking only to your guess that it wasn't the psu because other games (which may not be loading the gpu as much) were running fine. I didn't see in the thread if the OP indicated that he's OCing the two cards at all. Maybe he's pushing an overclock that's just mostly stable.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 21:48:05
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Running unigine heaven 4.0 at maximum settings didn't cause the system to crash, the cards got hot as would be expected but that's it. That's suggests its not a power supply issue ? It must be related to this one game that for some reason crashes like a power supply problem, its weird if it is. I am still waiting to here back from them about my query.
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/06 21:59:38
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Cymek Running unigine heaven 4.0 at maximum settings didn't cause the system to crash, the cards got hot as would be expected but that's it. That's suggests its not a power supply issue ? It must be related to this one game that for some reason crashes like a power supply problem, its weird if it is. I am still waiting to here back from them about my query.
Yep, not a power problem at all. The factory overclock on your ftw's are probably unstable in those games. Try running the cards in debug mode (#3) to see if it helps stop the issue. If debug mode fails to stop the issue try manually underclocking the cards with msi afterburner (#4).
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/17 04:46:55
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Thanks for the help. I have run Elite Dangerous in debug mode and it's working so far so perhaps that is the problem for that particular game but I got the same reboot just browsing the Internet, it hung and then rebooted. I do wonder if Windows 10 just reboots when it encounters a problem, the old have you switched on and off solution. I was also reading on a Microsoft forum how many others are getting a black screen reboot and it's on a variety of machines all with different specifications usually running Windows 10. Nothing much anyone can pin down and most likely Windows 10 itself causing it to happen, one possible suggestions to fix it is to stop the hard drive from sleeping, seems to help some people. Here's hoping it something than can be fixed and not some problem with my machine that near impossible to work out the cause
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/17 07:20:04
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If this was a system that was upgraded to the free version of win10 from win7 or win8 I bet a fresh install of win10 using a copy of win10 may help. There is no more physical key for Windows when or if you did the free upgrade. The key is now tied to your motherboard when you did the Microsoft member log in. So now you can go to Microsoft and do the windows 10 media creation disk and do a fresh install of windows 10 latest build 1607 and when your done installing it, it will automatically authorize your key when you connect to the internet. Just make sure to skip where it asks for your win key at the begining of the install. http://www.thewindowsclub...allation-media-upgradehttp://www.thewindowsclub...ll-windows-10-from-usb
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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/17 13:51:36
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Cymek Thanks for the help. I have run Elite Dangerous in debug mode and it's working so far so perhaps that is the problem for that particular game but I got the same reboot just browsing the Internet, it hung and then rebooted. I do wonder if Windows 10 just reboots when it encounters a problem, the old have you switched on and off solution. I was also reading on a Microsoft forum how many others are getting a black screen reboot and it's on a variety of machines all with different specifications usually running Windows 10. Nothing much anyone can pin down and most likely Windows 10 itself causing it to happen, one possible suggestions to fix it is to stop the hard drive from sleeping, seems to help some people. Here's hoping it something than can be fixed and not some problem with my machine that near impossible to work out the cause
Random rebooting can be caused by faulty system ram. Have you check your ram with memtest lately? If not, run Memtest86 v7.1 for a few passes to rule out faulty ram. You will need a usb flash drive to install memtest onto. Test each stick of ram individually. http://www.memtest86.com/..loads/memtest86-usb.zip

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Re: Black screen and reboot when gaming, 4K resolution the problem ?
2016/10/25 19:43:21
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Read a thread yesterday how someone else was getting the black screen reboot when playing Elite Dangerous with the same cards in SLI and one card on its own, so its not just me that has a problem with that game. They mentioned Witcher 3 also crashes almost immediately, I tried that game myself to see if it would happen to me and it did within two minutes of playing the game. It didn't crash to a black screen but I got a signal loss to my monitor and then it went to the desktop. I also got a reboot when just browsing the internet, the browser hung and then the computer rebooted. I am going to send the computer back to the people that built it so they can test it and find out what's wrong with it. I can't play games on it properly and that's the reason I purchased it. Frustrating trying to work out what on earth is wrong, getting the cards swapped will hopefully fix the problem, that's assuming they will do it.
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