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2011/08/01 07:26:58 (permalink)
I know questions like this have been asked jillions of times before on this forum...however, I can't seem to find it with a cursory look-see.
 
My computer has been locking up some recently, and I think it's the video card (eVGA 8600GT 256 GDDR2).  The lockups are tending to happen while watching videos on hulu (through firefox), usually while skipping sections of the video (so...rebuffering is needed).  I was wondering if the video drivers are to blame.  I'm using the EVGA website's drivers for my card, which aren't the most up-to-date that nVidia has, but fairly close.
 
The only restriction regarding drivers is I wish to still be able to do CUDA tasks (SETI@home 6.10), which I believe uses CUDA 3 drivers.  CUDA 2 worked on a previous version of S@H and may still, but I'm not entirely sure.
 
When my computer crashes, most of the time lately it's been giving me a generic BSOD after it locks for about 20 seconds.  Sometimes it hangs for 3 minutes or so and doesn't respond to cntrl-alt-delete so I have to do a switch reset (and don't get a crash log).  The MS database gives the response of driver, virus or harddrive problem.  So...basically completely unhelpful. I've done a Sophos scan, an adaware scan, and sometimes do a disk scan (which sometimes comes up with minor errors, but I suspect that comes about because I have to switch reset some times).  I don't think I've recently done a malwarebytes scan, so I might do that, but I doubt it's a virus.

Also notes on proper uninstallation procedure of my current drivers would be appreciated. 
post edited by pagelm - 2011/08/01 07:31:03
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 07:41:47 (permalink)
I forgot to mention: sometimes when coming back from a reset and immediately loading hulu, some of the initial video clip graphics are in the wrong color (red background?  I can't remember...it just looks weird).  This self-corrects after the "scene" changes.  standard webpage graphics are normal.
 
I don't know what my gfx card temps are when the lockups occur as they occur in fullscreen mode, but sometimes I have my fans going 100% and they still happen.  When I get the image artifacting on reset, my temps and fan speeds are "fine" (still 60ish C).  I also can come out of a CUDA process crunching 100% with temps around 80C and don't have any problems using my computer.
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 08:45:17 (permalink)
pagelm,
 
Take the graphics card out of your system and give it a look over for any blown capacitors or burn marks.  This card is definitely up there in age and who knows what might be going on physically.

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 09:20:08 (permalink)
It looked fine when I replaced my motherboard a month or two ago, although I had to blow out a couple years of dust and only discovered around then that the fan only ever runs at 30% (without driver intervention).  My replacement motherboard isn't exactly wonderful, so I was initially blaming the lockups on it/its interaction with XP.
note: my problems only started appearing after the motherboard install, but I had to re-install my display drivers in the process and I'm not sure which driver version I had before the motherboard install.
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 09:30:34 (permalink)
I would still recommend double checking it.  This sounds like what I have seen in the past of a card failure... Not a guarantee, but starting with the basics is always good.

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 10:14:39 (permalink)
Sounds to me like the GFX card is overheating. You said that you blew the dust out of it....which is good..... but, you probably should also remove the heatsink, properly clean it up and put some fresh TIM on it. I would also recommend that you manually run the card's fan at 100% when heavily loading it. I have the same card in a secondary system running fine on the WHQL 266.58 drivers.

 
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 11:56:47 (permalink)
thanks for the note on the drivers.  I'll see what I run tonight when I'm back on that computer.
 
I do have the fan at 100% with high usage (when rivatuner/precision do the right thing) and I've manually set it at 100% and still get the problem.  The image artifacting happens when the card is quite cool comparitively, but as I said, I don't know what the lockup temperature is.  If I turn on rivatuner logging, does it save a different file each session or timestamp things?  Because I could run that, and assuming the buffer of the harddrive gets flushed to disk before the lockup I could look at my log on next boot.  But rivatuner autostarts with the computer, so if the log gets overwritten or has no internal timestamp and is appended...
 
I'm sure that CUDA loads the hardware more than a dang hulu video though, so I think I'd have more errors there and lock up occasionally while doing s@h, so that's why I think it's not temp.
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 12:04:58 (permalink)
Personally the 197.45 from guru3d.com were the best for my 8800gt. Not sure what cuda version they ran.

If the card maxes out at 60c in seti, I would think it isn't a heat problem. And if the issue arose after the motherboard replacement. I would start with a clean video driver install. Remove the driver, reboot into safe mode, run driver sweeper (from guru3d) for nvidia display, reboot and install the driver.

What motherboard did you go to? Did you change chipsets? Have you installed the lastest chipset drivers? Or reinstalled windows?


Have you checked for any flash updates?
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 12:08:46 (permalink)
Heads up... Guru3d has pulled Driver Sweeper down.  You can get it from the maker of the software though, Phyxion.net

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 12:13:20 (permalink)
You make some good points. Sorry, I do not use RivaTuner....only precision. I do not have a single problem with mine but, I also do not really put any kind of a load on it anymore either. It was my main gaming GFX card way back when but, is only used for web-browsing nowadays. I would seriously consider an upgrade if you intend to do all you are doing on a regular basis as, it has probably seen it's better days.

 
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 12:25:08 (permalink)
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Personally the 197.45 from guru3d.com were the best for my 8800gt. Not sure what cuda version they ran.

If the card maxes out at 60c in seti, I would think it isn't a heat problem.

It actually has gone up to 80 in seti if RivaTuner fails to fire (see my posts about precision in the software forum - I still have this issue in Riva).  Running fan at 100% it gets up to 73 or so (depending on current temp).  60 is basically its idling temp.  During videos it probably goes up to 65 or so.
 

And if the issue arose after the motherboard replacement. I would start with a clean video driver install. Remove the driver, reboot into safe mode, run driver sweeper (from guru3d) for nvidia display, reboot and install the driver.

mostly a reply to the next helper: any idea why guru3d took down driver sweeper links?  Has it been causing issues?
 


What motherboard did you go to? Did you change chipsets? Have you installed the lastest chipset drivers? Or reinstalled windows?


I went from P5NSLI to P5N-D.  Same NVidia chipset.  I don't think this board is as solid, but I didn't see the negative reviews until AFTER I purchased it.  Ooops.  I have latest mobo drivers and just about everything else windowsXP SP3 (exceptions being MS Silverlight, .net crap, and Search 4.0).  I didn't reinstall Windows, as I've moved a few times since I installed XP and no longer have access to all my install media (tossed it away to move fewer things cross-country).  I have a cloned image (pre install of several major packages), but of course that was for the other motherboard...
 

Have you checked for any flash updates?

Motherboard: yes...flashed to most recent
Graphics card: no...was told not to here, despite finding slightly higher version number on a random website.
 
Thanks guys for all your suggestions!
 
As to upgrading my card: I basically figure I will do that with my next system purchase.  Too much of a cheapskate for good reason (student+family) to spend money when I can avoid it.  Of course if this card dies on me completely I'll replace it with the latest and greatest that my motherboard and XP can handle that would still be forward compatible to Windows7 and a newer board.
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 13:20:45 (permalink)
Driver sweeper(setup)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/Guru3D---Driver-Sweeper-(Setup)-download-1655.html
 
 
As for flash, I meant Adobe flash player updates.   And browser updates.
 
I thought the P5Nsli was the nforce 570 chipset and the P5N-d was the nforce 750i?  Thats a jump of two generations (570 < 650i/680 < 750i/780).  Switching chipsets without a reinstall can cause some incompatablities, especially with Win xp.  I have however switched back and forth from P35 to P45 with Win7 without any issues, as Win7 takes care of drivers very well by itself.  Also p35 to p45 didn't have many changes. 
 
As for an upgrade, a 750i should handle any gpu out there (psu and cpu dependent) and Win7 no problem.
 
 
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post edited by nick1551 - 2011/08/01 13:27:06

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 13:47:25 (permalink)
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Driver sweeper(setup)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/Guru3D---Driver-Sweeper-(Setup)-download-1655.html


As for flash, I meant Adobe flash player updates.   And browser updates.

I thought the P5Nsli was the nforce 570 chipset and the P5N-d was the nforce 750i?  Thats a jump of two generations (570 < 650i/680 < 750i/780).  Switching chipsets without a reinstall can cause some incompatablities, especially with Win xp.  I have however switched back and forth from P35 to P45 with Win7 without any issues, as Win7 takes care of drivers very well by itself.  Also p35 to p45 didn't have many changes. 

As for an upgrade, a 750i should handle any gpu out there (psu and cpu dependent) and Win7 no problem.


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Right off the page you provided in red text.
 
Attention - Guru3D Driver Sweeper has been discontinued as such you will not find any download links here any longer.

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 16:21:08 (permalink)
Sorry. I guess you can see the last time I dl'd it. I'm still using an older version or the non-setup version. It seems guru stopped supporting it but the maker still is.

http://phyxion.net/Driver-Sweeper/Driver-Sweeper/

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 17:34:11 (permalink)
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I thought the P5Nsli was the nforce 570 chipset and the P5N-d was the nforce 750i?

holy dyslexia batman.  Looks like I missed that until now.  would a repair install wipe out my program installs?  Things are working for the most part though....
 
Just looked up flash version...I'm a couple minors behind.  Running ...26, most up to date is ...34
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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/01 21:55:22 (permalink)
A repair install won't delete program files, but you never know. A backup is never a bad idea.

http://pcsupport.about.co...s/ss/instxprepair1.htm

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/02 00:53:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Install WhoCrashed and the associated WinDbg tool which will analyze/decipher any crash dump files in C:\Windows\Minidump that may have been generated (providing you have crash dumps enabled) from the BSOD's and tell you in detail what they are and also provide you helpful links to aid in your troubleshooting efforts..See what WhoCrashed says and if there's any repeatedly rucurring dumps and go from there.

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Re:Best drivers for 8600GT? 2011/08/02 06:44:42 (permalink)
Thanks for that program.  The system event viewer was incredibly unhelpful, this much more so.  As suspected, it's (mostly) the display driver.
 
July crashes were exclusively this (at least the ones that made it to BSoD)
nv4_disp.dll (different addresses)
Error: KERNEL_MODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M
 
Late June I had this (audio on motherboard):
rtkhdaud.sys
UNEXPECTED_KERNEL_MODE_TRAP
 
June I also had a crash with the display driver (same file):
THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER
BAD_POOL_HEADER
 
May my AV caused it a few times
savonaccesscontrol.sys
BAD_POOL_HEADER
 
The last BSoD before that was from over a full year ago from now, so obviously on my last board.
Other crashes: Antivirus CUSTOM_ERROR
8600GT: thread stuck (nv4_mini and nv4_disp)
XP kernel itself with a kernel mode exception:P
 
It looks like I was using this same version of the display drivers on my old board, but I'm not sure if I backed off a version after those thread crashes back in June and July of last year?  I seem to remember changing driver versions a bunch at one point because of using up too much graphics RAM to be able to run CUDA s@h, but the optimizers have since been able to reduce the memory allocation and I've found what applications I can't be running in the background as they chew up graphics RAM (and BOINC is now compatible with settings to tell it not to run the graphics processing when other specific programs are running).  So...upshot of this is, I'm not sure if I stuck with 275.33 or not on the last board
 
This thread suggests a problem between the drivers and flash: http://www.geekstogo.com/...ogsys-and-nv4-dispdll/ (I also have the crashdumps that read watchdog.sys, but I was assuming that meant the BSoD generator had some minor issues, but maybe those would explain some missing bluescreens from the error report?).  I will disable flash video acceleration and hopefully that won't affect anything else on my system.
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