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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 08:54:54
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Thank you maniac, sorry to trouble you so much :) i will attempt a clean install sometime next week. Will get back to you once i'm done and report
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 09:26:53
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Good luck on the reinstall bro 
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 09:53:22
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screw that, reformatting now. Is it ok if i install the drivers and apps for the Soundblaster ?
*edit : oops missed the BFBC2 before other devices part. Sorry. hehe will update later
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 09:58:54
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screw that, reformatting now. Is it ok if i install the drivers and apps for the Soundblaster ?
Soundblaster what? What is the model number of your Creative card? Do NOT install creative apps, creative auto updater or ANYTHING but the single Creative driver (known and tested) to work. -->If you dont know what that is, dont do a reinstall until you have found out. For my Creative X-fi card, only one driver is needed, not the other 8 things Creative wants to install. And the driver I use is the Win7 pre-beta, because it simply works. If your Sound drivers are working correctly, there is NO REASON to update them -whatsoever-
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:13:52
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My soundblaster is the Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Professional Audio. So should i just install the driver from the CD or get it from somewhere else on the net ?
And ummm, i assume i'd be missing out on the crystallizer function the software provides ? and other bells and whistles...
Sorry if im troubling you, just that you're the most credible assist i came across so far.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:22:35
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use the pax mod drivers on guru 3d i use them no probs with them
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:23:09
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My soundblaster is the Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Professional Audio. So should i just install the driver from the CD or get it from somewhere else on the net ?
And ummm, i assume i'd be missing out on the crystallizer function the software provides ? and other bells and whistles...
Sorry if im troubling you, just that you're the most credible assist i came across so far.
Every X-fi feature is installed with the base driverset, all the bells and whistles  Do NOT install the drivers from the creative disk -ever- Get your Model number of card, then go to creatives site (you MUST have your model number) and look for the basic install driver. There will be 2-3 versions there (look at the release dates on them). Start with the oldest first and test, as soon as you find a driver that works and tests correctly, your DONE and will not need another driver or driver update until the next version of Windows is released. You must have the correct model number for your exact card, the name of it is not enough... The model number is on the box the sound card came in.
 
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:26:19
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use the pax mod drivers on guru 3d i use them no probs with them
Modded Creative drivers are -not- recommended. -->unless you cannot find a working driverset or have the bad luck to purchase a fake X-fi (yes, Creative sells cards as "X-fi" that are not) or have a old and outdated model.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:32:21
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The basic driver installs all the creative features. But because your not installing all the other "junk".. -->you need to access it in the start menu.. As you can see below, everything is there  It may not look fancy, but it works perfectly without 300mb of "bloat" 
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:38:27
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The FOV setting in BFBC2 is NOT like other games. It is horizontal FOV based, thats why the numbers are weird.
Since I do not run a surround setup, I cannot speak about the subject with first hand information. Sorry bro, was just a guess...
Yea, I'm playing with the FoV at 40 now and it looks good. However, the CTD are still happening. I even tried changing the "priority" in Task Manager (for the game) to "High" but that didn't help; still CTD'd after about 30 minutes.
This is driving me nuts. I can play any other game without any issues but vanilla BC2 keeps CTD'ing.
Any other suggestions?
In such cases, it is a good idea to look at any overclocks on the system as BFBC2 can be -very- sensitive.
If you have your CPU OC'd try adding a small ammount of voltage or back it down 15%... if your RAM is highly overclocked, try backing in down some... For GPU overclocks, try dropping 50mz...
If nothing is OC'd or that doesnt work, I would suggest dropping the AA levels by half. IE x32x MSAA to x16 or if at x16 dropping to x8
Good luck and keep at it bro
It looks like the problem, since it happens only with vanilla BC2, is related to Surround mode. On WSGF ( http://widescreengamingforum.com/forum/14220/bfbc2-crash-desktop-using-either-surround-or-eyefinity), there seem to be many people who have the same issue (can play Vietnam for hours but vanilla freezes and CTD). I guess it's a systemic issue with the game that EA/DICE have to resolve but are refusing to do so for whatever reason. The weird thing is, last night, I switched to "Single Display Performance Mode" and "Maximize 3D Performance" to play on one monitor, and I got artifacts in BC2! The first time ever and that got me really worried. I reverted back to the Multiple Display Performance Mode and "Surround" mode and everything was fine again (except for the CTD in vanilla). Why do the artifacts occur and what causes them? My GPU was at 850MHz but it has been like that for a couple of weeks now and this the first time I've ever seen anything like this. Here is a pic: 
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:40:10
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i will test the creative drivers off there website see how thay run
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:44:03
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The FOV setting in BFBC2 is NOT like other games. It is horizontal FOV based, thats why the numbers are weird.
Since I do not run a surround setup, I cannot speak about the subject with first hand information. Sorry bro, was just a guess...
Yea, I'm playing with the FoV at 40 now and it looks good. However, the CTD are still happening. I even tried changing the "priority" in Task Manager (for the game) to "High" but that didn't help; still CTD'd after about 30 minutes.
This is driving me nuts. I can play any other game without any issues but vanilla BC2 keeps CTD'ing.
Any other suggestions?
In such cases, it is a good idea to look at any overclocks on the system as BFBC2 can be -very- sensitive.
If you have your CPU OC'd try adding a small ammount of voltage or back it down 15%... if your RAM is highly overclocked, try backing in down some... For GPU overclocks, try dropping 50mz...
If nothing is OC'd or that doesnt work, I would suggest dropping the AA levels by half. IE x32x MSAA to x16 or if at x16 dropping to x8
Good luck and keep at it bro
It looks like the problem, since it happens only with vanilla BC2, is related to Surround mode. On WSGF (http://widescreengamingforum.com/forum/14220/bfbc2-crash-desktop-using-either-surround-or-eyefinity), there seem to be many people who have the same issue (can play Vietnam for hours but vanilla freezes and CTD).
I guess it's a systemic issue with the game that EA/DICE have to resolve but are refusing to do so for whatever reason. The weird thing is, last night, I switched to "Single Display Performance Mode" and "Maximize 3D Performance" to play on one monitor, and I got artifacts in BC2! The first time ever and that got me really worried. I reverted back to the Multiple Display Performance Mode and "Surround" mode and everything was fine again (except for the CTD in vanilla).
Why do the artifacts occur and what causes them? My GPU was at 850MHz but it has been like that for a couple of weeks now and this the first time I've ever seen anything like this.
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That looks like "classic" 275.33 driver issues bro.... is that what you are using? Please refresh my old and failing memory, what is your exact videocard setup and what NV driverset is currently installed?
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 10:48:09
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That looks like "classic" 275.33 driver issues bro.... is that what you are using?
Please refresh my old and failing memory, what is your exact videocard setup and what NV driverset is currently installed?
Yes, I'm using the 275.33 WHQL drivers. My GPU set up is EVGA GTX-580 3GB Tri-SLI. I was running at 850MHz @ 1.088V. The strange thing is, before, I was perfectly stable at 1.050V at 850MHz and was able to even run 900MHz at 1.10V but now 900MHz just crashes (benchmarks and games) and I can't even get 872MHz to be stable! 850MHz only works at 1.088V now. How could it be stable at 900MHz before and not work now? All I did was switch between Single and Surround modes several times. Could that have borked the drivers?
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 11:05:30
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Its sounds as if you have powerstate linked all your cards...
You need to know the default VID for each of your cards and then test the weakest (highest VID) for overclocks, as that will be the card that holds you back when overclocking in SLI.
You could "try" turning OFF "Transpreancy AA" from "Multisample", but I'm not sure if it would help...
*be sure to check for the BLOOM setting in the BFBC2 folder, after you make the change.
Simply swapping between modes (single display and surround) will NOT do anything to the drivers bro...
Repeated crashing "might". So a "clean" driver reinstall would be the next step.
I -highly- recommend the 266.58 driver for 580's and BFBC2, the 275.33 has issues...
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 11:31:13
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Just out of curiosity, since GTX 590 is practically 2 GTX 580 sandwiched together, will the driver 266.58 work ? :) im aware of the slight difference in architecture/design/engineering but just curious
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 11:37:36
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Just out of curiosity, since GTX 590 is practically 2 GTX 580 sandwiched together, will the driver 266.58 work ? :) im aware of the slight difference in architecture/design/engineering but just curious
No, the below drivers are all the official listed for the GTX 590  *as noted in my Guide--> 270.61 is recommended if your card does not support 266.58
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 11:49:01
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Its sounds as if you have powerstate linked all your cards...
You need to know the default VID for each of your cards and then test the weakest (highest VID) for overclocks, as that will be the card that holds you back when overclocking in SLI.
You could "try" turning OFF "Transpreancy AA" from "Multisample", but I'm not sure if it would help...
*be sure to check for the BLOOM setting in the BFBC2 folder, after you make the change.
Simply swapping between modes (single display and surround) will NOT do anything to the drivers bro...
Repeated crashing "might". So a "clean" driver reinstall would be the next step.
I -highly- recommend the 266.58 driver for 580's and BFBC2, the 275.33 has issues...
How do I find out the default VID (what's VID anyway? voltage?) for each card? I use MSI Afterburner and I increased the voltage from the stock 1.025V to 1.088V. In HW Monitor, it shows the voltage for all three of the cards at 0.96V. Also, the 12V rail shows 11.82V in HW Monitor. Is that strange? Will GPU-Z tell me the exact voltage for each card? I will try testing for the different voltages and if that doesn't help, I will install the 266.58 drivers. What about the 270.61? Are they better than the 275.33? EDIT: I just checked GPU-Z and at stock clocks (772MHz), the voltage jumps from 0.957V - 1.016V for all three cards. When I apply the OC profile in MSI Afterburner (850MHz/1.088V), the GPU-Z voltage reads 1.076V|1.078V|1.076V. Should I enable "Force constant voltage" in the MSI Afterburner settings?
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 11:55:04
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I rolled back from 277.33 to 270.61 due to the "tearing" and artifacts and whatnots. 270.61 really made them all go away.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 12:02:05
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Its sounds as if you have powerstate linked all your cards...
You need to know the default VID for each of your cards and then test the weakest (highest VID) for overclocks, as that will be the card that holds you back when overclocking in SLI.
You could "try" turning OFF "Transpreancy AA" from "Multisample", but I'm not sure if it would help...
*be sure to check for the BLOOM setting in the BFBC2 folder, after you make the change.
Simply swapping between modes (single display and surround) will NOT do anything to the drivers bro...
Repeated crashing "might". So a "clean" driver reinstall would be the next step.
I -highly- recommend the 266.58 driver for 580's and BFBC2, the 275.33 has issues...
How do I find out the default VID (what's VID anyway? voltage?) for each card? I use MSI Afterburner and I increased the voltage from the stock 1.025V to 1.088V. In HW Monitor, it shows the voltage for all three of the cards at 0.96V. Also, the 12V rail shows 11.82V in HW Monitor. Is that strange?
Will GPU-Z tell me the exact voltage for each card?
I will try testing for the different voltages and if that doesn't help, I will install the 266.58 drivers. What about the 270.61? Are they better than the 275.33?
The proper way to test, is to install each card (one at a time) and record all the relevent facts like, stock VID, temps and performance benchmarks at defaults, and test max clocks and volts and bench again... The higher the VID (stock voltage set at the factory) the less headroom to "add" voltage, thus its a "weaker" card than another with a lower VID, because that card has more voltage available to clock with. *this assumes of course that your not going to go over Nvidia MAX SAFE voltage limits... ** and raw VID is not always a indicator of how stable a card will be when OC, thats why you must test each card. -->Do that for each card, you will then KNOW which card is "weakest" and will have to tune your 3-way SLI overclocks with the "weak" card in mind... Each card will behave differently at given volts and clocks.. out of your (3) cards, you will be limited by whichever card craps out first "most likely" whatever card is lacking volts (highest VID, lowest v increase) compared to the others. When using Afterburner, whatever card is in the primary (number one) slot, is what your adjustments are based off of... It is best to have your "weakest" card as primary, that way cards 2 and 3 will not fail before the primary...
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 12:32:11
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Very informative. fantastic :)
Now, i have to make sure i run away when i see you in BFBC2 .. LOL
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 18:57:27
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Do you know of any reason why Nvidia control panel states that Ambient Occlusion is Not supported for this application for BFBC2? All the other settings I could adjust, not that one though.
Great tweak guide! But I had never had any problems running the game with the default settings. I do lovethe FOV increase. That alone was worth it for me.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 19:17:10
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Do you know of any reason why Nvidia control panel states that Ambient Occlusion is Not supported for this application for BFBC2? All the other settings I could adjust, not that one though.
BFBC2 uses its own engine version of H(orizon)B(ased)AO which is enabled throo the in-game menu, the AO setting in the NVCP has no use for BFBC2.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide
2011/07/26 19:26:18
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/26 20:55:31
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Hey I have followed this guide with a gtx560 ti 2gb card and seem to be running it pretty well. One thing I have noticed though is that when I am a gunner in the helicopter (the mini gun) the flash from the gun fire is real bad. It pretty much flashes the whole screen and I can't see through it to see what I am aiming at. Any tips?
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/26 20:57:48
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Hey I have followed this guide with a gtx560 ti 2gb card and seem to be running it pretty well. One thing I have noticed though is that when I am a gunner in the helicopter (the mini gun) the flash from the gun fire is real bad. It pretty much flashes the whole screen and I can't see through it to see what I am aiming at. Any tips?
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Check the settings file in the BFBC2 folder and see if "Bloom" has reset.. make sure it says" =false"
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/26 23:38:08
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nope bloom is false and hsao is false. Since my cpu could be bottlenecking me a bit should I maybe lower the settings? I thought I read that its best on high settings to see through smoke but I def seem to have trouble sometimes but the MAIN problem is being the gunner on the helicopter. The flash is so intense and hazes the whole screen so I can't see what I Am aiming at.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/26 23:46:41
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nope bloom is false and hsao is false. Since my cpu could be bottlenecking me a bit should I maybe lower the settings? I thought I read that its best on high settings to see through smoke but I def seem to have trouble sometimes but the MAIN problem is being the gunner on the helicopter. The flash is so intense and hazes the whole screen so I can't see what I Am aiming at.
Yeah they did that on purpose you know... for "balance", short bursts lessen the back flash... You could try forcing DX10 or even DX9 and playing with effects levels.... (just remember to check that bloom setting after making any changes) You will just have to test each setting and see what happens and if you think its "better" or not... Good luck bro
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/27 07:02:01
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Same with the cannon flash from the Bradley & Russian BMP.
If you are the gunner, it's almost impossible to see through it.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/27 11:58:12
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maniac, just wanted to let you know that I decided to change my settings from 32csaa back to 16csaa. So I changed it on the BFBC2 settings and then I went back to Documents to adjust Bloom back to false but it already was on false. I still retyped false just to be sure but it looks like it didn't change. The MSAA setting automatically went from 7 to 5 as you said it would.Anyway that was just an fyi for ya. I think my GTX 580 runs a little better on the 16csaa vs the 32csaa. And as you've said, it's tuff to tell the difference.
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Re:Battlefield BC2 Graphic Settings Guide for GeForce 400 and 500 series cards
2011/07/28 03:08:55
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I went back to 16csaa from 32csaa, noticed just a tiny difference of FPS running at 1920x1080 but image quality i cant really tell the difference. So yeah just giving my card an easier time LOL. GTX 590
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