v1ral
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Hello, I've been getting these pesky "F4" BSOD when I am idle after about 20 or so minutes. I thought it was RealTemp cause I let it run while I watch t.v to check idle temps. The most recent thing I've done to my system was put more fans on my radiator, I have one MCR 320 and one MCR 220 with push/pull high speed Yate Loons running off of one molex. I've never had this BSOD before and this bothers me. I re-wired my HDDs to different SATA ports on my motherboard so I had to change a few things in the bios for boot priority. I've been reading that this could be a HDD issue or a Windows issue, I hope it's not a HDD issue cause the prices of HDDs are stupid right now. System is overclocked only to 4.0 and I've done the normal stress tests ,50 runs of Linx and 14+hours of prime with all different choices to test, and it passed. Should I be worried about my HDD dying, or my psu being over worked with the addition of the extra fans? These fans are running full tilt are they drawing too much? A quick settings for my overclock. 191 Bclk Vcore 1.1975 Vdroop off VTT +50 QPI PLL 1.25 Everything else pretty much on Auto/default. Any help will be much appreciated and Happy Holidays. v1ral
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v1ral
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 18:15:48
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 18:55:27
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I had this 0xF4 BSOD several times on several computers, all due to faulty SSDs going offline. First of all I think it's best to confirm if it's a problem of your HDD/SSD going offline. Assuming you are running Windows 7, right-click on "Computer", "Properties", "Advanced system settings", in the "Startup and Recovery" box, click "Settings", uncheck "Automatically restart" and click "OK" all the way. This would prevent the computer to reboot upon BSOD, giving you the opportunity to see if there is crash dump written to the disk. If there is no crash dump written to the disk upon this BSOD, then it's a problem of disk going offline. I recommend you check the SMART attribute data of your HDD/SSD. Just use any software that can do it, such like AIDA64, CrystalDiskInfo, Anvil's Storage Utilities. Pay attention to the "05 Reallocated sector count" especially, because if this is non-zero for HDD it means it may fail any time soon in the future.
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v1ral
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 19:36:28
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I've actually done that so I can see the what BSOD I get while overclocking. What should I look for while using CrystalDiskInfo, do I look at the "05 reallcated sector count" specifically. What is a "non-zero" for HDD. My HDD is a Samsung Spinpoint 1tb drive, this is the newest of my drives. I also have x2 500gb Seagate Cuda's and 1 Maxtor 300 gb. Thanks for your time.
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 19:37:17
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Can you post a pic of the BSOD screen?
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 19:43:46
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I can, however I would have to wait a bit so it can happen. But I actually did some changes in the bios cause I read something about IDE and ACHI or what ever it's called not being set up properly. How do I explain.. I disabled "things" so they don't pop up while it's doing it's checks. I think it's where you can choose IDE/RAID/ACHI then below it there are two, default it's "Auto" I disable it to not show the checks while it does the checks on boot. This time I didn't touch those to see what happens, it hasn't done it. Still waiting, it only happens when idle. I will see what happens then I'll take a picture of it if/when I get the BSOD. Thanks for you time.
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 19:47:01
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@thinkfly This is what it say for my Samsung drive: Reallocated Sector Count---100---100---36---00000000 100=current 100=worst 36=threshold 00000000=raw values If that means anything??:P
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 19:47:39
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F4 BSODs can be from a varitey of things, which is why I asked. Just wanted to see exactly what all it said.
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 19:48:15
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@WDflyer It's cool WD I hope my Hard Drives aren't dying:(
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 20:02:36
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v1ral
@WDflyer It's cool WD
I hope my Hard Drives aren't dying:(
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet, this could also be a driver or software conflict.
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/12 23:46:48
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Good morning guys. Okay uppdate. I didn't get the BSOD after changing those settings. I will post a screen shot of what I changed back to default. BRB Edit: my cpu is clocked at my 4.2 ghz, I wonder if that has anything to do with not having the BSOD. Too low vcore for my 4.0 ghz overclock or is it VTT?
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 02:45:39
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i had this BSOD with my CORSAIR GT SATA3 SSD and firmware update solved my problem
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 06:50:29
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It's good to know that there is no reallocated sectors - which means the drive is still in good health. As I said, it's important to know if there's any crash dump written to the disk or not, upon the 0xF4 BSOD. If no crash dump can be written to the disk, then it means the disk is going offline. In such case it is most likely to be a firmware issue (most likely the disk firmware, but sometimes the BIOS of the motherboard needs to be updated to patch the SATA controller firmware).
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 07:32:10
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If you have not done so yet run Chkdsk to make sure there are not any errors on the hdd causing the issue. Does it do this when in safe mode? If not, have you tried a clean boot with limited services to see if its one of those that is causing the problem? It could also be related to your bios settings, since you mentioned you are running o/c but did not list the full settings tree. If things like speedstep, virtualization or even voltage settings(issue) that are causing this.
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v1ral
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 07:56:40
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I did the check disk thing and no errors. I was hoping not to do all the safe mode stuff, I've read into this error and that was mentioned time and time again. Will I really need to update the firmware for the drive? I am no using an ssd
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 08:28:48
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I am far from an overclocking expert. I have spent more time trying to find the lowest possible stable voltages than I have overclocking. I do plan on overclocking soon and I have read a lot about overclocking on the X58. Your Vcore and VTT voltages are lower than any I have seen. Most people are @1.35-1.45 Vcore and +150-200mv VTT at that high of an overclock. Have you tested for stability using P95 or Linux?
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 14:36:12
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This is the BSOD I had last night while I was at work. Hope that helps!!??
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/13 18:59:24
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Also I forgot to mention. I also get this 7A BSOD
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/14 04:35:02
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So your picture in #17 just confirmed that the disk went offline, because there is no crash dump written to the disk. This is a very common symptom for SSD with faulty controller/firmware/nand flash, where the disk intermittently goes offline upon heavy/moderate load. Try to run the "Endurance Testing" on your system partition in Anvil's Storage Utilities and see if you can reproduce the problem quickly. Regarding how to cure this: I only know for SSD it's best to replace the SSD or update the firmware of the SSD or the BIOS of the motherboard. Not sure how you can get caught by this with HDD. If you have disabled all overclocking and still get this then I suggest you isolate the problem by trying to reproduce this BSOD with your HDD in another computer and your motherboard in another computer. Also, if you can post a screenshot of all the SMART attribute values of your system disk it would be helpful.
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/14 14:04:33
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Could this be SATA ports going bad?
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/14 14:33:02
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v1ral Could this be SATA ports going bad? As I said, you'd best post a screenshot of SMART. If you see CRC error through the interface, then it could be a faulty SATA cable or port. Have you tried a different cable or port?
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/14 16:41:51
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Okay I switched sata ports and I let it run over night after running 3 times Linx runs and it has held strong no BSOD. This is with default clocks on everything in the bios. I'll try again when I get back home... Thanks for all your help people!!
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/14 18:41:43
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In your case, LinX doesn't help much. You'll need to run "Endurance testing" in Anvil's Storage Utilities on your system partition.
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/15 02:04:38
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thinkfly In your case, LinX doesn't help much. You'll need to run "Endurance testing" in Anvil's Storage Utilities on your system partition. Do I just run the Default "Endurance Test" or is there something special I have to do for my 1tb Samsung F3?
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Re:BSOD "F4" when idle, should I be worried?
2011/12/15 16:40:28
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Okay I think I know what is is, however it was only after a few tests. I found out actually one of my voltages in bios wasn't set correctly from the get go, as to what it does I don't know. I think it was the ICH vcore I had it at 1.125, which @1.1 volts it didn't crash or posted the F4 BSOD. So I am thinking I've narrowed it down to that specific part of the bios. I will continue to test. Will this have some kind of adverse effect on my drive? Also I kind of find it odd, that with this voltage change that I was still stable in LINX and then in Prime95 with no BSODs afterwards while in idle state. Well I am off to bed, it's 1037 am Friday morning. Good night.. or rather.. gah.. nvm. Shashooots v1ral *If I am not making any sense at all now, I apologize in advane, I am flipping tired.:P
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