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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/05 20:58:34
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It could be that.
Or your Boinc runtime vs total Computer runtime is just so low that the poject/Boinc Manager thinks you won´t make the deadlines and therefore prevents you from downloading more. I´ve had this on one rig as well. You can check this on your account of a project. Log in to Rosetta and go the "my computers" (or whatever is called in English) , there selct "details" for that specific rig. You have something like "Boinc runtime". If that´s rather low you won´t get a lot of tasks until you get up that runtime.
Good thing with rosetta is that you dont need a wingman, but in that case it just keep running Boinc on a different project.
So pogs would be ideal to get some runtime in for the remaing projects and helps us in the pentathlon.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/05 21:27:51
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I didn't even think to look at the "Disk Usage" tab of the Boinc Manager. That heavily indicates that it is a disk problem, although even when I allowed more space, it didn't get any new projects. Oh well, I will just run pogs until rosetta starts. No need to bunker with everything. Just as long as it is helping somewhere.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 05:30:28
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Sajinor,
If you already have POGS tasks maybe BOINC has enough work to meet your min/max work buffer settings (under Tools -> Computing preferences -> Network usage tab)?
In the BOINC manager menu select Advanced and choose "Event Log". Do any new messages show up right after you try to add to your bunker?
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 06:12:34
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I uploaded my POGS bunker yesterday and am bunkering Rosetta. As a heads-up, Rosetta tasks are taking from 250 - 500MB of RAM, each!
It bugs me that an optimized POGS application exists but has not been verified, and the project could be getting 3x more work done during the busy Pentathlon. As far as Rosetta errors go, I've never seen any on my i7-2600K (Windows 7 64-bit.)
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 06:38:22
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Sajinor,
If you already have POGS tasks maybe BOINC has enough work to meet your min/max work buffer settings (under Tools -> Computing preferences -> Network usage tab)?
In the BOINC manager menu select Advanced and choose "Event Log". Do any new messages show up right after you try to add to your bunker?
Orange has been a bit grumpy last days, not figured out how to fill up bunker properly. Thanks planet^^ Gambling on a Collatz sprint announcement within 5 days. Pogs will be crunched, but bunkered together with Collatz wu's. I will roughly have a 15-20mil worth of Collatz points to drop bye then. If no announcement is made, and I go empty, I'll drop.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 06:44:51
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I uploaded my POGS bunker yesterday and am bunkering Rosetta. As a heads-up, Rosetta tasks are taking from 250 - 500MB of RAM, each!
It bugs me that an optimized POGS application exists but has not been verified, and the project could be getting 3x more work done during the busy Pentathlon. As far as Rosetta errors go, I've never seen any on my i7-2600K (Windows 7 64-bit.)
Good points! Mem usage is very high for Rosetta. Multi P users should take note. The pic says it all. Running 7 threads of Rosetta and folding GPU. 
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 06:48:11
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I uploaded my POGS bunker yesterday and am bunkering Rosetta. As a heads-up, Rosetta tasks are taking from 250 - 500MB of RAM, each!
Not only that, but each "slot" (the working directory for each running task) takes about 340MB of disk space. I had to move a bunch of stuff off the running partition so I could free up enough space for 32 slots, and even then I don't know if 16GB of RAM will be enough for 32 tasks. I don't think queued work units are very large; it's just that they replicate their large database (downloaded once) into each slot when it runs. sajinor
I am having an issue "bunkering" on my 4P. I am not sure what the issue is, as it has done so fine on both of the 2P blades. All 3 installs are exactly the same ([H] appliance) but the 2P's are on 32GB SSD's while the 4P is on a 16GB. That is the only thing I can think of, is it is running out of space. I guess if I can't get it figured out, I will kick it over the pogs, as I don't need to bunker for that.
Any ideas? Or should I start its own thread?
Sure sounds like disk space for the running slots is the problem. I'm not sure how many threads on your 4P, but divide the threads by 3 and that's how many gigabytes of free space you need just to run. With a 16GB drive you don't have a lot of breathing room.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 07:09:45
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Looks like we´re set up for a good start in Rosetta then  Lets just hope we´re not gonna run out of Steam. I´ll keep running pogs in the meanwhile So far about 2/3 of my uploads have been veryfied the rest is still with Pen Ding
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 08:21:17
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Punchy
Sure sounds like disk space for the running slots is the problem. I'm not sure how many threads on your 4P, but divide the threads by 3 and that's how many gigabytes of free space you need just to run. With a 16GB drive you don't have a lot of breathing room.
I didn't know projects took up that much space and memory. That certainly appears to be it. I told rosetta to finish and changed over to pogs. With 24 threads, it was only running 22 at a time, so it couldn't even run flat out. Oh well, no harm in helping out pogs some more. Thanks for the help all!
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 08:28:10
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Should i be switching over to roesseta? My 4p has a large drive, i just dont know what would help the team more. Right now everything is just doing pogs. Im about to set my gpu to start on colletts if i dont switch to rossetta as my task deadlines are the 20th on that machine. I guess my question is what would help the most.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 08:58:52
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Hard to tell right now.
You could also run both. Load up your cores, then cut your internet connection and dump both after the start of Rosetta
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 09:53:16
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Clayton, if it helps you decide, I think I made a big mistake by starting to bunker Collatz. I set most rigs to get 6 days and I'll prolly be finished to early. So I'll eventually turn in a lot of POGS but may sit idle for a time before I do. Also I lost a lot of POGS and Collatz on 1 rig because windows sensed disk problems and shut down. Subsequent disk checks found no problem and it's up and running but the work was lost.  Edit: Hmmm...... I was able to suspend Collatz and upload POGS. Didn't Think that would work but it did.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 16:01:34
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Are you running multiple BOINC managers? I bunkered pogs on one manager with the networking suspended while running my GPU tasks on another manager.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 17:54:23
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Sprint and Mathematics and Co projects announced, Collatz and Enigma. Also, POGS is running a word association game on their forum and randomly giving away two LEGO packs to participants. Updated first post with info.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 18:20:38
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Opolis
Sprint and Mathematics and Co projects announced, Collatz and Enigma. Also, POGS is running a word association game on their forum and randomly giving away two LEGO packs to participants. Updated first post with info.
Woot! My time spent bunkering Collatz and Rosetta on the same box isn't wasted!
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 18:28:43
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Keep rocking the boat folks!
Unfortunately between all I'm doing I can only side line watch... but you all rock in my book!
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 18:57:42
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One thing about Enigma, there is no Validation done in that project so points are instant once you return a task. One of the main reasons I ran it for the TMZ Challenge. So you can be getting points from POGS as your tasks are being validated a day or two after you stop running it and be getting instant Enigma points at the same time. So I will definitely be jumping over to Enigma when the time comes.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 20:44:54
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Nice, didn't think of that. Pentathlon gantt chart! I'll put it in the first post for reference if you don't mind.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 21:36:27
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Ok so I am thinking. 1: Keep my 48 core AMD with 16gb ram on pogs since I may not have enough mem for 48 threads of Rosetta . 2: My 2 hex core AMDs one has 4, and one has 8 gigs that should be ok on Rosetta. 3:24 core AMD with 16gb should be ok Rosetta. 4:12 Intel threads on Rosetta with 8gb. 5: Keep my Intel 24 threads with 6gb ram on pogs.---OR I can off HT and go with 12 cores on Rosetta. I am not sure what is the best way to go about this. Everyone switch the the next, run both, then three at once, one at a time. On another note, they raised my electric rates to 22-23 cents a KWH. We now have the 2nd highest rates in the US. I can switch, (and I did) to a different electric supplier but it will take 2 month to go in effect. I have had to cut back, the Mrs. had a cow when we got the last electric bill. With the warm weather setting in and having the extra heat load, I refuse to pay that much.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 21:54:20
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To add to the confusion Bill: another project has been announced: Enigma. You could also start bunkering there... Heres´what Im doing: 2p intel and AMD Pogs 1 2600k Rosetta 1 2600 k is loading up on Enigma Of course you coul also mix projects on your 2p rigs. That should help keeping RAM usage in line. And you don´t have to physicly switch off HT, just set the Boinc manager to only use 50 or 75% of CPU cores edit: waht a good start to Enigma: "Server has no tasks available" 
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/06 22:11:54
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Collatz on the 10th..... just made my day
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 03:32:46
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unclegregy
Are you running multiple BOINC managers? I bunkered pogs on one manager with the networking suspended while running my GPU tasks on another manager.
No just 1 on each rig.
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 04:11:28
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I wonder.... Got Collatz and pogs running side by side. Problem is, since yesterday, pogs has began running with "High Priority". Meaning, It shuffle Collatz to the side and take up all cores for itself, very selfish. pogs take 12 cores, and share one with Collatz, so Collatz are only allowed to run on 1. The other day I thought it used 10-11 cores, and let Collatz run one wu pr GPU. This rig has 12 cores, one 690 and one 660Ti. Two Collatz wu's are waiting now because I suspended pogs for a sec to see if it resolved. Could this have to do with the "Large Collatz" take too much resourches so pogs enter high priority, and push Collatz aside ? Yesterday it might have been "Solo Collatz" wu's. Edit. For comparison, another rig, same setup, also run pogs at High Priority all 12 cores, but allows Collatz to run on all (2) GPU's 
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 06:15:57
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Just a head's up for those of you bunkering up on Collatz.
Collatz has different type of wu's to choose from:
Large, Solo, Mini and Micro.
Reward hints are as follows:
Large=16xSolo
Solo=16xMini
Mini=16xMicro
Thing is, Solo comes in 2 versions, Solo 6.0 and Solo 6.04.
I noticed that Solo 6.04 comes with a prox 1:40hrs runtime, while Solo 6.0 is 80hrs.
If you have loaded up with 6.0, it may ruin your finish time.
Large takes prox 20hrs, and reward prox 250K
Solo 6.0 takes 80hrs, and rewarded prox 165K
Solo 6.04 takes 1:40 and rewarded prox 15k
Haven't had the opportunity to read up on the science around this, but I decided to abort my 6.0's
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 06:18:27
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That pogs on high priority happen to me too, I reduced the number of pog work units Ready to Start
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 12:06:35
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So much for trying to bunker rosetta.... tasks keep reseting....
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 13:24:22
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Re: BOINC Pentathlon 2014
2014/05/07 13:50:58
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What projects are multicore (smp like) and what are GPU any one know off the top of their head?
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