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Will there be a sticky on this subforum when the update becomes available?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
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☄ Helpfulby EllBrad 2016/09/29 22:38:29
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
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Yes.
When is it available?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/05 11:57:32
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Yes.
When is it available?
If he knew that, I'm sure he would have stated as much in his post...
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/05 12:00:51
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Don't have a date yet for that.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
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Yes.
When is it available?
If he knew that, I'm sure he would have stated as much in his post...
Fine..
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 13:16:54
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How can you tell which manufacturer the vram came from? Samsung is the other one I've read about on here besides micron?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 13:28:00
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Open up GPU-Z and check memory type.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 14:04:26
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Open up GPU-Z and check memory type.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 14:06:41
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GPU Shark in Detail View will also show you the Memory Info.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 14:56:29
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Don't have a date yet for that.
Can you say at least if we are talking about days, weeks or months? How long more are we expected to live with a broken beta product until the fix is made available?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 16:03:00
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Should be a couple of weeks at most, however, this should only address overclocking performance.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
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☄ Helpfulby EllBrad 2016/10/06 16:49:03
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Should be a couple of weeks at most, however, this should only address overclocking performance.
Why do you keep talking about overclocking? these many people reporting the same artifacts and crashing symptoms at stock settings with Micron memory even after multiple RMAs mean nothing? if many people are having the same symptoms at stock, memory artifacts and checkerboard type crashing that only started appearing after switching to Micron GDDR5, not only in EVGA forums but in many other places, why didn't you consider the possibility that Micron's GDDR5 is not stable across the board when configured at 8 Gb/s data rate? why insist that these ICs are okay at that data rate until there is a global Microngate phenomena? My GTX 1070 with Micron appears to be stable sometimes, but two days ago i was getting artifacts in Mirror Edge Catalyst as i turn vsync on/off or change resolution, things that cause the card to go from high to low power states and vice versa .. that is not an overclocking issue at all .. What is wrong with using Samsung's GDDR5 8 Gb/s modules that is widely available and is used until today in the GTX 1060 and RX 480 and are running perfectly fine? When is a good time to acknowledge the issue and explain to us what is really going on behind the scenes? are you forced to use Micron's GDDR5 due to contractual obligations?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 16:32:19
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Can you send me the link? I am only aware of this affecting overclocking, but will check into it. Using multiple memory vendors is common almost every graphics card uses multiple memory vendors because of memory supply constraints.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 16:50:39
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Thanks Jacob 
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 16:52:05
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Can you send me the link? I am only aware of this affecting overclocking, but will check into it. Using multiple memory vendors is common almost every graphics card uses multiple memory vendors because of memory supply constraints.
Sure thing, that issue is widespread and is easily findable by Googling "GTX 1070 Micron Memory" , but if you promise me that you will really look into this and get things moving in the right direction i will put the time and effort to filter these search results for you and send you every single link with reports of users getting artifacts and crashes at stock settings due to Micron's GDDR5 in their GTX 1070. I know that switching memory vendors is common, and it was perfectly fine in the past, but there is something new this time around, in previous generations the max data rate that GDDR5 was configured with was 7 Gb/s , this is the first generation where GDDR5 is being pushed to its max limit of 8 Gb/s , Samsung chips which were the ones originally used, tested and the ones which the original BIOS was written for were doing well at that data rate, but Micron's GDDR5 are not doing well at 8 Gb/s across the board, some are stable and can even overclock their memory up to 9000Mhz while many others have artifacts and crashing issues at stock settings. Micron GDDR5 running at 8 Gb/s are very sensitive, behavior changes, artifacts appear at random times even in windows desktop, i am getting artifacts even on the desktop just switching between monitors or changing resolutions, and i saw another user in this forum with FTW 1070 with Micron getting the same exact artifacts on the desktop. Also overclocking headroom is a very useful indicator of the quality and stability of an IC at stock settings, Samsung GDDR5 can OC from 8800Mhz up to 9600Mhz in some samples, that OC range shows that these are capable and safe chips at stock settings, while most Micron GDDR5 have very serious issues reaching even 8500Mhz .. this is an indicator that they are already being pushed to their limits at stock settings and that is not an indicator of quality and stability. So if you are willing to give this issue the attention it deserves give me a couple of days and i will come back to you with a huge list of links with plenty of users reporting the same symptoms, what do you think?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 17:19:22
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I noticed once while I was adjusting the PCI power cable for my card while Heaven benchmark was running, it started flashing these red sparkling artifacts all over the place. Basically the PCB is so sensitive to touch or else artifacts start popping up all over the screen, so I try not to even breath on it now...
Also, 1060's are not getting these Micron memory chips as far as I am aware. Why would the 1060 be prioritized over the 1070 when the 1070 could actually benefit from better memory and is also the more expensive card?
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 20:34:09
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Can you send me the link? I am only aware of this affecting overclocking, but will check into it. Using multiple memory vendors is common almost every graphics card uses multiple memory vendors because of memory supply constraints.
So if I have a EVGA gtx 1070 FTW and is crashing without me doing any kind of overclocking (I understand this comes factory overclocked), nor do I want to overclock it, hence why I bought the FTW edition for the extra money, it sounds like the VBIOS update will not fix my checkerboard crashing issue, correct? Here is copy and paste from another thread. I had a system built by CyberPower Pc that had the EVGA GTX 1070 FTW (no box to put video card in since it came shippped assembled to me). I was playing the Ark Survival Evolved game and it would crash at random times. It was a checkerboard type artifact that resulted in a BSOD the first time and signal loss everytime thereafter. It could last 15 minutes or 2 hours before crashing. After doing alot of research, I unfortunately have the Micron memory as well. I have read that Nvidia is getting involved and they will be doing a Vbios update that will supposedly resolve the issue. They will then release this to the manufactures and then they will release an update for our cards. Just to reiterate, I never overclocked the card, nor do I plan on doing such. I just want a stable card to play on my computer. There are a few workarounds to get it semi stable, but workarounds should not apply to a $459.99 video card. My worries is that I will RMA this card and get the same Micron ram video card and not get the issue resolved. If EVGA can guarantee me a Samsung ram model on a EVGA GTX 1070 FTW, then I will RMA the video card. End of copy and paste. So the above was written with me being a little upset, I apologize if I came off rude, but am kinda upset with the whole situation. Should I RMA the card? What happens if I get the replacement card and it is just as bad as the first one, now I would have two video cards to RMA. I appreciate any feedback. Thanks, Bigdaddy012678
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 20:49:17
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EVGA_JacobF
Can you send me the link? I am only aware of this affecting overclocking, but will check into it. Using multiple memory vendors is common almost every graphics card uses multiple memory vendors because of memory supply constraints.
So if I have a EVGA gtx 1070 FTW and is crashing without me doing any kind of overclocking (I understand this comes factory overclocked), nor do I want to overclock it, hence why I bought the FTW edition for the extra money, it sounds like the VBIOS update will not fix my checkerboard crashing issue, correct?
Here is copy and paste from another thread.
I had a system built by CyberPower Pc that had the EVGA GTX 1070 FTW (no box to put video card in since it came shippped assembled to me). I was playing the Ark Survival Evolved game and it would crash at random times. It was a checkerboard type artifact that resulted in a BSOD the first time and signal loss everytime thereafter. It could last 15 minutes or 2 hours before crashing. After doing alot of research, I unfortunately have the Micron memory as well. I have read that Nvidia is getting involved and they will be doing a Vbios update that will supposedly resolve the issue. They will then release this to the manufactures and then they will release an update for our cards. Just to reiterate, I never overclocked the card, nor do I plan on doing such. I just want a stable card to play on my computer. There are a few workarounds to get it semi stable, but workarounds should not apply to a $459.99 video card. My worries is that I will RMA this card and get the same Micron ram video card and not get the issue resolved. If EVGA can guarantee me a Samsung ram model on a EVGA GTX 1070 FTW, then I will RMA the video card.
End of copy and paste.
So the above was written with me being a little upset, I apologize if I came off rude, but am kinda upset with the whole situation.
Should I RMA the card? What happens if I get the replacement card and it is just as bad as the first one, now I would have two video cards to RMA.
I appreciate any feedback.
Thanks,
Bigdaddy012678
First, the BIOS fix should fix the issue. The 980FTW suffered the same thing and they had to do a complete redo on the FTW line. I think it was overclocked too high but also believe there was a problem with the voltage controller because when the 980FTW kicked in the boostclock, it would normally crash the PC, but from what i hear regarding the 1070s and Micron, it would crash a lot when idling, so it has to be reversed, it sounds as if the voltage controller (which regulates the voltage current) is not giving enough voltage even when it dles (I'm talking to you GamerSX). EVGA wouldn't release details on how they fixed the problem regarding the 980FTW. I was curious to know.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/06 20:56:42
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Thanks for the Reply stalinx20. I was not familiar with the 980FTW issues, thanks for informing me of that. I stepped up from an EVGA GTX 760SC 4GB and it ran real good, just was time for something new.
I have a very small window left to purchase the Advance RMA for this card, I am on the fence if I should purchase this.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 02:11:00
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EVGA_JacobF
Should be a couple of weeks at most, however, this should only address overclocking performance.
EVGA_JacobF
Can you send me the link? I am only aware of this affecting overclocking, but will check into it. Using multiple memory vendors is common almost every graphics card uses multiple memory vendors because of memory supply constraints.
Jacob i really appreciate your comments a lot as we might be into something here, after thinking about this overnight it appears that an assumption is being made that this is an overclocking-only issue, it makes sense to think that, because the spec sheets for both Samsung and Micron GDDR5 8 Gb/s modules are almost identical in terms of voltage, latency and data rates, so it is logical to assume that the same voltage regulation algorithm will function with both ICs equally well at stock settings like it is the case with all memory types, and the special voltage treatment is only needed when Micron GDDR5 is running above specs in which case they change behavior. But what i am trying to communicate with you is that Micron GDDR5 8 Gb/s are not being stable at stock data rates with standard voltage across the board and in all samples, there is many of us who are getting artifacts in games, benchmarks, windows desktop, apps like browsers and such at 8 Gb/s with these modules especially when power state changes from low to high or vice versa, the issue is widespread and new reports are pouring in daily. So it is worth investigating the quality and stability of these ICs on a large scale because we might very likely have a stock configurations issue here and not only an OC related issue. I am personally returning my GTX 1070 today because i do not feel confident about the BIOS update providing an actual solution to help with stability at stock settings, this whole thing needs to be looked into at a deeper level, probably a hardware revision might be needed on Micron's side or on your side. Thank you very much again for looking into this and adding new insights.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 03:00:14
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EVGA_JacobF
Should be a couple of weeks at most, however, this should only address overclocking performance.
EVGA_JacobF
Can you send me the link? I am only aware of this affecting overclocking, but will check into it. Using multiple memory vendors is common almost every graphics card uses multiple memory vendors because of memory supply constraints.
Jacob i really appreciate your comments a lot as we might be into something here, after thinking about this overnight it appears that an assumption is being made that this is an overclocking-only issue, it makes sense to think that, because the spec sheets for both Samsung and Micron GDDR5 8 Gb/s modules are almost identical in terms of voltage, latency and data rates, so it is logical to assume that the same voltage regulation algorithm will function with both ICs equally well at stock settings like it is the case with all memory types, and the special voltage treatment is only needed when Micron GDDR5 is running above specs in which case they change behavior.
But what i am trying to communicate with you is that Micron GDDR5 8 Gb/s are not being stable at stock data rates with standard voltage across the board and in all samples, there is many of us who are getting artifacts in games, benchmarks, windows desktop, apps like browsers and such at 8 Gb/s with these modules especially when power state changes from low to high or vice versa, the issue is widespread and new reports are pouring in daily.
So it is worth investigating the quality and stability of these ICs on a large scale because we might very likely have a stock configurations issue here and not only an OC related issue.
I am personally returning my GTX 1070 today because i do not feel confident about the BIOS update providing an actual solution to help with stability at stock settings, this whole thing needs to be looked into at a deeper level, probably a hardware revision might be needed on Micron's side or on your side.
Thank you very much again for looking into this and adding new insights.
Let me buy it from you then because, as I know Micron is well capable of running just fine, and I am very confident in knowing that EVGA will do their job. No one is better than getting a job done than EVGA, who is actually better than Nvidia with their Customer Service as well. Edit: Hence the quote in my signature.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
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stalinx20Let me buy it from you then because, as I know Micron is well capable of running just fine, and I am very confident in knowing that EVGA will do their job.
No one is better than getting a job done than EVGA, who is actually better than Nvidia with their Customer Service as well.
Edit: Hence the quote in my signature. Would be happy to sell it to you, i am in Europe, if you are EU based PM me, i stand for shipment, comes with receipt and full warranty. and yes, this is why i am discussing this with Jacob so that he can look into it, thanks for the reassurance though, hope that this is sorted out before VEGA hits the market so i can make a re-purchase, for a quality product this time.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
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I almost feel bad for the 1070 owners who got stuck with the Micron GDDR5 memory.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 07:32:44
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New vBIOS is up for palit 1070 according to their Web site
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 08:37:30
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New vBIOS is up for palit 1070 according to their Web site
No release notes, so no idea if it is the one being referenced in the thread. Did you see somewhere on the site that it was for the Micron? EDIT: Apparently Gainward up as well. May very well be for the memory fix.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 09:09:26
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Really looking forward now for some palit users feedback. Maybe Jacob could provide us with more information? Looks like other nvidia partners already got new bios to work with
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 10:14:55
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NVIDIA is still working with us on the new update, it is not yet available.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 10:26:43
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NVIDIA is still working with us on the new update, it is not yet available.
Great news, thanks for the update and look forward to the release when it occurs. Hopefully this fixes my EVGA gtx 1070 ftw with the checkerboard artifacting on my factory FTW video card.
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Re: BIOS update coming for Micron 1070, available through board partners
2016/10/07 10:30:02
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NVIDIA is still working with us on the new update, it is not yet available.
I love 1070FTW. I hope the update would solve all these problems. I can wait
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