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This was interesting in another thread that got locked. So lets continue it here.
 
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Only on expensive cars, everyday cars have autos/auto manuals that are designed for economy and sit in the highest gear. Even if you take control of them the response time sucks, I'd rather be able to control it not have the car do it.

That's how it always starts. Once upon a time only the rich could have power steering, then a few decades later it was power windows and A/C. Now unless you buy a stripped down base model you get all that and more.
 
Every car leaning towards the performance side(not talking about the wives mini van here) will be switching to an auto with tiptronic mode or a true floppy paddle dual clutch with in the next 10 years. All of them. It started only on high end exotics(after being proven in race cars) then made its way to german and japan and is now on its way to the states in the new corvette
 
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1408_2015_chevrolet_corvette_stingray_eight_speed_automatic_first_drive/
 
I will even use GM's own advertising mag to show the proof. In a couple years this trans will end up in the camaro and ford will follow along and have one in the mustang and im sure fiat will have one too. They will be the fastest option, the most reliable option and fewer and fewer manuals will be sold until it is not worth it from a cost standpoint for the manufacturers to offer them any longer.

This is true, even my daughter's Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS auto trans can be put into manual gear selecting mode. True they are not as fast shifting as the high end exotics, but it will be there some day.
 
There is also the Continuously Variable Transmission to consider, but they are not performance orientated.
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:04:28 (permalink)
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:06:35 (permalink)
    I love my Insight because it's manual. Whenever I get into the Stang, I always go for the clutch lolz. It is nice to have an auto once in a while, but I don't like the efficiency losses with auto vs manual.

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:11:11 (permalink)
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    I love my Insight because it's manual. Whenever I get into the Stang, I always go for the clutch lolz. It is nice to have an auto once in a while, but I don't like the efficiency losses with auto vs manual.


    Honda doesn't even offer a manual on the Insight anymore. They use a more efficient Continuously Variable Transmission now.
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:17:36 (permalink)
    I am a purist, I love having a standard transmission.  However when you really start to bump horsepower for dragracing or are looking for consistent times, the automatic will more than likely make a quicker lap...  But they'll never trump the fun factor! ;)

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:21:03 (permalink)

     
    5:10
     
    Try that with an autotrans....
     
     
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:31:00 (permalink)
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    I am a purist, I love having a standard transmission.  However when you really start to bump horsepower for dragracing or are looking for consistent times, the automatic will more than likely make a quicker lap...  But they'll never trump the fun factor! ;)


    Agree, there is a connection to the vehicle you get with a Stick that you don't with an Auto.
     
    My next car will be a 2016 Camaro 1LE with a manual trans, as long as Chevy doesn't do a horrid redesign of the body. If they do I'll look for a 2015 1LE, but it has to be Silver.
     

     
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:31:55 (permalink)
    OMG not another one of these retarded debates. Who cares which one is better. Most you claimed "car enthusiast" idiots blabber about the typical stigma car culture of this is better than that. Whats next V8s are better than V6s or that 4X4 is better than AWD and so on and so on? As long as your can beat your opponent that is all that matters. It does not matter how you do it or what you use, as long as you win thats the goal. We all know nobody does not like loosing so cant argue with me there.


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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:36:38 (permalink)
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    5:10
     
    Try that with an autotrans....
     
     


    Sorry to break this to you, but that's an automatic trans.
     

     
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:37:05 (permalink)
    Not really sure why you would want a automatic to race a car or run it on a performance basis... For every day vehicles where people might be looking for a more comfortable ride, you will definitely want a CVT transmission.

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:40:33 (permalink)
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    I could care less what he thinks and Flappy Paddle Gearboxes shift faster then he can shift a stick on his best day. He's old and set in his ways. The younger guy on Top Gear has more smarts then him.
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:41:47 (permalink)
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    Not really sure why you would want a automatic to race a car or run it on a performance basis... For every day vehicles where people might be looking for a more comfortable ride, you will definitely want a CVT transmission.


    Because they are actually faster.
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 20:57:21 (permalink)
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    Not really sure why you would want a automatic to race a car or run it on a performance basis... For every day vehicles where people might be looking for a more comfortable ride, you will definitely want a CVT transmission.


    Because they are actually faster.




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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 21:00:57 (permalink)
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    This was interesting in another thread that got locked. So lets continue it here.
     
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    Only on expensive cars, everyday cars have autos/auto manuals that are designed for economy and sit in the highest gear. Even if you take control of them the response time sucks, I'd rather be able to control it not have the car do it.

    That's how it always starts. Once upon a time only the rich could have power steering, then a few decades later it was power windows and A/C. Now unless you buy a stripped down base model you get all that and more.

    Every car leaning towards the performance side(not talking about the wives mini van here) will be switching to an auto with tiptronic mode or a true floppy paddle dual clutch with in the next 10 years. All of them. It started only on high end exotics(after being proven in race cars) then made its way to german and japan and is now on its way to the states in the new corvette

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1408_2015_chevrolet_corvette_stingray_eight_speed_automatic_first_drive/

    I will even use GM's own advertising mag to show the proof. In a couple years this trans will end up in the camaro and ford will follow along and have one in the mustang and im sure fiat will have one too. They will be the fastest option, the most reliable option and fewer and fewer manuals will be sold until it is not worth it from a cost standpoint for the manufacturers to offer them any longer.

    This is true, even my daughter's Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS auto trans can be put into manual gear selecting mode. True they are not as fast shifting as the high end exotics, but it will be there some day.
     
    There is also the Continuously Variable Transmission to consider, but they are not performance orientated.


    I rented a Nissan Altima to drive to upstate New York because I was not going to drive the WS6 in snow...  I'm not going to lie, that car was actually somewhat fun because of the transmission.  Throttle response was pretty nice, even though you didn't really go anywhere lol

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 21:03:35 (permalink)
    Manual for sure in a drift car, or sequential shift manual box. Auto's are best for high horsepower drag racing.....way more consistant, more durable, and because of the way they work they absorb a lot of the driveline shock when you launch so it isn't as hard on axles, driveshafts, ring and pinions, etc.

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 21:04:48 (permalink)
    Staunch lover of manuals. Have driven manual all my life but seriously, everyday life, auto is the way.
     

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 21:12:26 (permalink)
    I actually am still in debate with myself for when I get my camaro. I'm thinking I'm just going to get the auto even though there is that loss but at least I have the option for manual if I want it. Mine will be a daily driver and as such not am I always going to want to fuss with manual. That said I'm keeping my current car as well which is auto so I'm covered for a daily driver if I want so a manual only car might be more appealing. Idk yet lol
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 21:12:55 (permalink)
    I have passed on some newer cars because they were not offered with a manual. As for CVTs they're nowhere near as efficient as claimed. A lot of people say that they dont get the gas mileage they're supposed to with a CVT. I have also experienced that driving my mother's Nissan Altima. Also the lack of gear shifts is pretty disturbing.

     
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 21:34:56 (permalink)
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    I have passed on some newer cars because they were not offered with a manual. As for CVTs they're nowhere near as efficient as claimed. A lot of people say that they dont get the gas mileage they're supposed to with a CVT. I have also experienced that driving my mother's Nissan Altima. Also the lack of gear shifts is pretty disturbing.

    Yeah I've read that not having gear shifts is a weird feeling.
     
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    I actually am still in debate with myself for when I get my camaro. I'm thinking I'm just going to get the auto even though there is that loss but at least I have the option for manual if I want it. Mine will be a daily driver and as such not am I always going to want to fuss with manual. That said I'm keeping my current car as well which is auto so I'm covered for a daily driver if I want so a manual only car might be more appealing. Idk yet lol

    If you're keeping your current ride get a stick in the Camaro.
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 22:01:36 (permalink)
    We have a 2013 Honda Accord EX-L sedan and it has a CVT.  Personally, it's a blast to drive and is commended as being the best CVT design in the business by the professional reviewers.  I don't think it's weird at all.  I love how smooth it is.  Nissan's CVT have been said to have the rubber banding feeling, something that Honda does not have.

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 22:17:15 (permalink)
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    We have a 2013 Honda Accord EX-L sedan and it has a CVT.  Personally, it's a blast to drive and is commended as being the best CVT design in the business by the professional reviewers.  I don't think it's weird at all.  I love how smooth it is.  Nissan's CVT have been said to have the rubber banding feeling, something that Honda does not have.


    Doesn't Honda include a torque converter on their CVT?
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/07 23:09:39 (permalink)
    It also depends on where you live though. I don't think I could daily a manual in Los Angeles. I love WOT and when you need to brake every minute... ugh... downshifting.

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 00:03:32 (permalink)
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    It also depends on where you live though. I don't think I could daily a manual in Los Angeles. I love WOT and when you need to brake every minute... ugh... downshifting.


    I drove my WS6 through downtown Toronto during rush hour, I don't mind downshifting at all compared to repeatedly getting it in gear just to crawl 5 feet.  It took me two hours to drive 10 miles lol

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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 01:18:17 (permalink)
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    It also depends on where you live though. I don't think I could daily a manual in Los Angeles. I love WOT and when you need to brake every minute... ugh... downshifting.


    I drove my WS6 through downtown Toronto during rush hour, I don't mind downshifting at all compared to repeatedly getting it in gear just to crawl 5 feet.  It took me two hours to drive 10 miles lol


    I hate down shifting I am am to lazy for that. Its too much work IMO. What I learned was when coming to a red light or stop sign for example, what I do is pop it in neutral and coast. Once I am at a complete stop at the light or stop sign, I then pop it into 1st gear.


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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 01:23:44 (permalink)
    WOW, CVT is better then a manual? Really? This thread is a complete joke. Next you'll be telling me how amazing EPS is.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 01:35:48 (permalink)
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    It also depends on where you live though. I don't think I could daily a manual in Los Angeles. I love WOT and when you need to brake every minute... ugh... downshifting.


    I drove my WS6 through downtown Toronto during rush hour, I don't mind downshifting at all compared to repeatedly getting it in gear just to crawl 5 feet.  It took me two hours to drive 10 miles lol


    I hate down shifting I am am to lazy for that. Its too much work IMO. What I learned was when coming to a red light or stop sign for example, what I do is pop it in neutral and coast. Once I am at a complete stop at the light or stop sign, I then pop it into 1st gear.




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