Hope dies last

nVidia and Intel could use some serious competition. It would be good for all concerned if AMD could challenge both.

GloR1ouS_
I don't get it, when the 10 series hit Nvidia dropped prices huge. A 1070 was equivalent to a 980 ti for a lot less and people still complain. I mean, Nvidia had no reason to drop prices but they did.

What's the problem with them dropping more?

GloR1ouS_
I don't get it, when the 10 series hit Nvidia dropped prices huge. A 1070 was equivalent to a 980 ti for a lot less and people still complain. I mean, Nvidia had no reason to drop prices but they did.

Yes a 1070 is as powerful as flagship maxwell cards but 1070 has a higher MSRP than 970 did when it launched.

* fingers crossed *  -->  price wars = good for us

I hope AMD will do well and bring increased competition between them and NVIDIA.

Everyone should hope Vega is a success, much like everyone should hope Ryzen is a success. Why would you pay $1000 for a 15% performance increase when you could pay $500 for a 25% performance increase from generation to generation? (General statement, performance and price quotes are subject to change depending on product and manufacturer and blah blah blah).
 
People who feel otherwise are nothing more than fanboys and do not realize what overall benefits competition generates.

GloR1ouS_
I don't get it, when the 10 series hit Nvidia dropped prices huge. A 1070 was equivalent to a 980 ti for a lot less and people still complain. I mean, Nvidia had no reason to drop prices but they did.

Dropped prices huge? The 1070 ($379msrp, but how many were sold for that price?) costed significantly more than the 970 ($299 msrp, not including custom boards). The company is supposed to be making innovations to keep the crowd on their side. The performance gain was decent, but the price hike was unecessary.

Anyone that complains about prices being cut because of competition is missing the entire point.

i first hope that ryzen hits intel where it hurts.
 
no innovations since sandy bridge. my 2500k lasted well up to last year. and it woulda still keep going but i just felt like it was time to upgrade. 6700k does not seem that much faster than a 2500k @ 4.8~5.0.
 
i hope that vega gives us close to pascal performance for much less. i'm still going for the fastest gaming chip be it ryzen/vega or intel/nvidia. but if ryzen/vega live up to the hype, i'm sure intel/nvidia will have no choice but to lower their prices.
 
i remember when amd first introduced the athlon thunderbird. that chip gave intel a real competition for much less (and boy was it overclockable).
 
i'm hoping we see another scenario where both will have to fight for consumer's hard earned money.
 
i'm not looking to get a best bang for your buck, but if i'm going to shell out more than $600 on a GPU, it better be a beast. pascal did not dissapoint, but i really think the pricepoint was a little "we got no competition, lets overcharge 20%".
 
 

I've got 980Ti's currently but I'm not going to pull the trigger for a bit until Vega comes out. I haven't had an AMD card in years but  I'm hopeful that AMD with Ryzen and Vega can step up and knock NVidia and Intel down a few notches in terms of what they're charging. Yes Nvidia at least lowers prices of their newer series cards but still paying $700+ for a GPU leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth.
If the cherry picked Ryzen benches are at least a decent indicator of where the other guys will be once the NDA is limited I'm hopeful that AMD can compete at least for the time being.  At the bare minimum I'm happy I picked up quite a few AMD shares when they were @ $2-3.

Reason I lost a lot of interest in hardware is because of these absurd prices. The price increase was uncalled for and despite me hating AMD for past events I've had with them I can't support nVidia in this. 

My only hope for amd is to improve with those god awful temps that their gpus have, 95 degrees is optimal operating temperature.  More like noticeable throttling, releasing a entire lot of gpus with improper vram timings and not to mention the crypto mining premium.  Seems you have to have money on day one of the preorder date or you're going to be fairly sad come release. 
 
The gouging for ryzen has already started. 1700x going for 500 plus 1800x 600 plus.

Stephenk291
Where is this gouging..ebay?
 
Amazon still has preorders direct @ regular prices.

 
Nice to know, last time I checked they were unavailable, good to see they are not gone everywhere.
 

Well I think Vega will be faster than Titan XP but maybe as fast as 1080 Ti, could be miles off that could not be, Radeon Vega could even destroy Pascal once it's drivers get more mature.
But then again even if Raden Vega is faster than all what NV Offers.. what then?
 
Even so Radeon Vega does have some greater advantages like 3 & 4 Way CrossFireX Support & Better optimized Vulkan API Support thanks to it's Updated GCN Architecture
As being; AMD Vulkan API was built up from AMD Mantle API, so if having a GCN related GPU, Vulkan will sure take advantage of that tech.
DX12 is also known to be in favor for AMD GCN GPU's as well, so yeah then there is that as well..
 
The down sides?
 
No Win 7 Support, that being if you buy a Radeon Vega and you have Win 7, you're pretty much done for since you can't use and this just sucks.
 
And there will be NO Win10 on my systems, because it's unreliable and unpredictable, as it leaks out personal and private information without you knowing.
All the hospitals in the EU reverted back to Win7 due to this problem.. Nobody wants that.
 
So due that part, as no Win 7 support goes, it's utterly useless to me, With GTX 1080 Ti you're safe for that part, well I would expect that for the least, since the 1080, 1070, 1060, 1050 & Titan XP support Win7 Pro  just fine.
So EVGA GTX 1080 Ti Classified iCX will be my choice.
 
Imo a top end GPU should not cost more than 529 Euro which the GTX 295 Red Edition was back in 2009.
Everything beyond that is plain retarded, not everyone is rich, AMD thankfully thinks about this for many good reasons, it would be nice if NVIDIA went back to these healthy prices,
And that can only happen if there is a healthy competition, if there isn't prices will simply ascend to insane amounts.

I'm excited to see what happens with Vega, and this even though I'm upgrading from a 1080 SC to the 1080 SC2 ICX or, hopefully, to a 1080ti through step off from the ICX upgrade. This just like I'm really happy for the Ryzen processors to come out even though I rebuilt my machine around the i7 6900 (8 cores) a few months ago. Fact is, I've had my machine for months, and the Ryzens aren't in anyone's hands yet. I've gotten a lot of enjoyment already that I wouldn't have had already by waiting. 

And one can always wait. In two or three years we'll be looking at something new from AMD and Nvidia that will blow Vega and the 1080ti or whatever it's replaced with later this year. This always happens, and people always say they're going to wait, and by always waiting they never enjoy what's actually out already.

I'm happy for Vega and Ryzen because of what it will do to the whole marketplace. Remember that Intel really likes it when people fork out $1000+ for a high end cpu, but if AMD is giving similar performance for $500, a lot of people will go that route instead. Intel won't just take that sitting down. They'll release even better stuff so they can justify still having that $1000+ flagship price and performance. This will just drive the release of even better products than if Intel were to remain the undisputed monopoly holder. This will be good for all of us consumers.