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Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 or even P2 versions?

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2014/08/08 23:51:08 (permalink)
hi guys,
 
I'm planing to buy a solid PSU to serve me a long time and the G2 is ther perfect series for that.
but the currently released versions, 750W and 850W, are way too much for my single GPU air cooled system.
ideal for my system would be a 550W or 650W at max. so I was thinking if EVGA is planing to realease such PSU's in the near future.
 
anyone has an idea or a speculation about that?
 
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post edited by sahafiec - 2014/08/12 00:45:20

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/09 15:56:47 (permalink)
     
    If it was me, I would get the 750w G2 anyway. 100 watts more gives me a little piece of mind.

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/09 18:45:07 (permalink)
    ^ This. 
     
    Any new PSUs will take at least another month from announcement to retail availability. With the 750G2 you will be at better efficiency and the PSU will be quieter too.
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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/10 02:42:21 (permalink)
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    If it was me, I would get the 750w G2 anyway. 100 watts more gives me a little piece of mind.



    Totally agree..And having a PSU that might be a little "overkill" will prolly run even more quietly because it's not working so much to output at or near it's it's rated specs and might even use less power from the wall too, not to mention leaving headroom should system components be added/upgraded (link).  

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/11 04:45:51 (permalink)
    well, maybe I'm missing something. but what's the advantage to have a 750W PSU on a system that never uses more that 300-330W?
    assuming the PSU's are most efficient at 50% load, it means I could get the best efficiency only during a coulpe of hours playing.
     
    a quality 550W PSU already has an overhead, regarding my system, so why put a second 200W overhead?
    am I missing something again? 

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/11 05:06:44 (permalink)
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    well, maybe I'm missing something. but what's the advantage to have a 750W PSU on a system that never uses more that 300-330W?
    assuming the PSU's are most efficient at 50% load, it means I could get the best efficiency only during a coulpe of hours playing.
     
    a quality 550W PSU already has an overhead, regarding my system, so why put a second 200W overhead?
    am I missing something again? 




    You'll be set for a while with the 750. You really don't have to upgrade the psu in the future if you upgrade the rest of your parts, like the video card/cards.

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/11 05:19:12 (permalink)
    and a 750W Gold PSU will have no disadvantage compared to a 550W Gold PSU in terms of efficiency?

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/11 06:30:21 (permalink)
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    and a 750W Gold PSU will have no disadvantage compared to a 550W Gold PSU in terms of efficiency?


    The only difference will be that you will have more watts, amps, aka more headroom in case you add more things down the road. There is no disadvantage of owning a higher psu then you need. 

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/11 06:38:35 (permalink)
    No, you are correct with your original thoughts.
    The efficiency curve always drops off at 20% and then really dives bellow 10%.
    If you are certain you will not be adding a second card,or upgrading to the very highest wattage card,  or massive OC, or a three pump/six fan cooling loop...
     
    Then you are indeed better off with a 550 watt. Even better, usually for the price of a 750 watt gold, you can get a 550 watt PLAT.
     
    It is understandable that EVGA and the members here would tend to skew to the higher wattage (who doesn't want a 780TI)
    with 1000,1300 and 1600 watt units...you can see the market EVGA is targeting. ;)
     
    Both of the Rosewill PLAT 550 units are excellent values.
     
    EDIT:
     
    In Turkey IDK...Superflower units direct, Rosewill through Amazon? Kingwin PLat?
     
    PS
    for proof, the 750 G2, while an excellent unit and a good value, will be less than 80% efficient at the 50-75 watts that you will be at when web browsing, active idle.
    http://www.plugloadsoluti...OS%203724.1_Report.pdf
     
    In comparison, this PLAT 450 (the 550 came before and they did not publish 10% at that time, but would be similar)
    is around 88% at those levels...and would have plenty of wattage for your system.
     
    http://www.plugloadsoluti...3115.1_450W_Report.pdf
     
     
     
     
     
    post edited by mdk7777777 - 2014/08/11 06:49:11
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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/11 07:25:54 (permalink)
    that's exactly what I meant mdk7777777, I was starting to think I couldn't state my point right.
    increasing the capacity of PSU shifts the max. efficiency area of the curve to the right for the same system.
    that means the system falls to a less efficient area, it's not an extreme difference but it sums up at the and of the day.
     
    for myself I'm sure not to build SLI, I just always stick to single GPU system. that's why I think more than 550W-650W is an unnecessary overhead.
    regarding the brands we don't have Rosewill, Kinwin and Super Flower here at all. I know them from JonnyGuru's reviews though.
    but recently we finally got EVGA  yet for the beginning only 850W, 1000W and 1300W available on the efficient side.
    besides 600W Bronze is also available but I don't find 80+ Bronze up to date anymore.

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/19 10:03:28 (permalink)
    sahafiecThe efficiency curve always drops off at 20% and then really dives bellow 10%.
    If you are certain you will not be adding a second card,or upgrading to the very highest wattage card,  or massive OC, or a three pump/six fan cooling loop...Then you are indeed better off with a 550 watt.

    Generally, yes, that's correct.  However, some of the top quality larger units somehow manage to retain their efficiency at the <100W loading, and somehow be more efficient than the smaller units (e.g. Seasonic X-Series Platinum 660W & Corsair AX760).

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/19 11:15:03 (permalink)
    Yeah I was talking about the gold units under discussion. G2.....but yeah if you are willing to pay for plat....or not yet released titanium. ...you can get better results down to 10%....
     
    For example, this unreleased titanium superflower at 750 watts retains efficiency of 91% at 75 watt.
    http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/SUPER%20FLOWER%20COMPUTER%20INC._SF-750F14MT_750W_ECOS%203991_Report.pdf
     
    If evga were to market it, it would obviate the need for 450-550 watts, ...but would still not be inexpensive.
     
    So, the cost/ benefit equation still favors a good 550 watt (PLat) at the same price as a 750 watt (gold)... if you are only going to run one card.
     
    Example:
     
    This superflower gold unit is on sale today for $47
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261
     
    which gets you 88-90% efficiency in the range of a single card.(say 75-350 watts)
    http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/ROSEWILL%20INC._FOTRESS-450_ECOS%203115.1_450W_Report.pdf
     
    In comparison, the evga 750 g2 only gets you 80% to 90% in that same range.
     
    http://www.plugloadsoluti...OS%203724.1_Report.pdf
     
    So you pay 2x the price and end up with lower efficiency.
     
    The right sized PSU for your application will always be the most economical choice. ;)
     
    The 750 watt Titanium will get you the efficiency, but most likely at 4x or more the initial capital cost.
     
    You need to be folding or coining 24/7/365 for a shed load of years to get that money back from electric cost deltas.
    post edited by mdk7777777 - 2014/08/19 16:31:24
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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/19 23:49:42 (permalink)
    you wrote down my thoughts word by word mdk7777777, thank you very much.
     
    now the question is, why don't EVGA do that? why are there so few 450-650W Gold and Platinum rated PSUs?
     
    right now here in Turkey there is only 1 single Platinum rated model below 600W and thats the Seasonic fanless 520W.
    as Gold rated we have may be 2 or 3 models and that's all for the whole mainstream range, that's ridiculous.

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    Re: Any idea about upcomming 550W and 650W SuperNova G2 versions? 2014/08/20 00:25:54 (permalink)
    mdk7777777Yeah I was talking about the gold units under discussion. G2.....but yeah if you are willing to pay for plat....or not yet released titanium. ...you can get better results down to 10%....

    Ah, sorry - didn't realise you were constraining your statement to just the Gold units.
     
    mdk7777777For example, this unreleased titanium superflower at 750 watts retains efficiency of 91% at 75 watt.

    That is seriously impressive.
     
    mdk7777777You need to be folding or coining 24/7/365 for a shed load of years to get that money back from electric cost deltas.

    Indeed. By my calculations, to make it worth getting a Corsair AX760 over the equivalent EVGA SuperNova G2 (£35 difference), you'd have to use 200kWh more electricity (at 15p/kWh).  The biggest gap between the two in terms of efficiency is around the 50W load mark (84% vs 78%), which would be about 50 years of continuous use.  Alternatively, under load, the difference is only around 1%-2%, so under 600W of load, so that'd be ~25 years of continuous use (or 10 years at 700W).
    post edited by martinch - 2014/08/20 00:55:20

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