Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 16:53:43
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Until I see one more than half of our 1,121 members post their thoughts... ALL of the input here is the minority.
This is a fine team. And the same handful of folks who just cannot move to the "Agree to disagree" and "Let's find a way" side... Thread after thread will continue to develop the way it does.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 17:04:15
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For the record, GPU folding will have to come back with Maxwell when they introduce GPU/CPU hybrids and with the focus on what is essentially folding type calcs so this whole thread is moot.
EVGA will be back on top.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 17:08:42
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My thought is that some people at [h] have payed for some "Cloud Time" and if they can afford to pay for it then it's theirs to have!
Now if we can come up with some kind of plan to slow down the [h] fine, if not that's fine too.
We do still have a 1.3BILLION point lead!
Hi Sean
Hi Ram  ,
My point as well. Fix it with a plan or quit whining and blaming. EVGA is better than that.
JIMO, YMMV
EDIT: Still looking for that I7 920?
My sentiments exactly. we have to start planning and reaching out to grow the team both for Crunching and folding we can do both and still keep [H] at bay while gaining on the DC side Im getting two keplers when they come out and then building another rig if you can't do that(afford upgrading or adding rigs) then help with recruiting some members are in College and Universities - Post some flyers - start a EVGA folding club some work in institutions - science labs,hospitals, High tech...make it a point to get the admin or co-workers involved just as long as people go out and try to do something..I will thank them
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 17:23:34
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I know of two recent additions to our folding team. Both are clients of mine. They fired up their servers to fold for EVGA at night. They had no idea about this F@H thing. While at a meeting of businesses that they attended we talked about it over some drinks and such...
There is a lot to still be gained. As soon as that becomes the "Louder" voice here the better... Grow baby grow!!!
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 19:16:56
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Xavier Zepherious
shdbcamping
ramcharger89
My thought is that some people at [h] have payed for some "Cloud Time" and if they can afford to pay for it then it's theirs to have!
Now if we can come up with some kind of plan to slow down the [h] fine, if not that's fine too.
We do still have a 1.3BILLION point lead!
Hi Sean
Hi Ram ,
My point as well. Fix it with a plan or quit whining and blaming. EVGA is better than that.
JIMO, YMMV
EDIT: Still looking for that I7 920?
My sentiments exactly.
we have to start planning and reaching out to grow the team
both for Crunching and folding
we can do both and still keep [H] at bay while gaining on the DC side
Im getting two keplers when they come out and then building another rig
if you can't do that(afford upgrading or adding rigs) then help with recruiting
some members are in College and Universities - Post some flyers - start a EVGA folding club
some work in institutions - science labs,hospitals, High tech...make it a point to get the admin or co-workers involved
just as long as people go out and try to do something..I will thank them
Another suggestion I would like to share is; our team's DAB rep to request PG to introduce a variant of higher PPD GPU work units (WUs) in addition to just working on bigadv/bigbeta WUs for multiprocessor rigs. I'm assuming that there're numerous gpu folders here.
post edited by MOBAJOBG - 2012/02/22 19:20:26
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 19:34:11
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My plan for next week is to complete the I7 I have, going to throw two 560ti's in that rig, then wait for Maxwell too!
I Crunch with my CPU's, so what ever they do with SMP doesn't matter to me.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 22:28:20
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This seems like a lot of drama, I guess I'm new so I must have missed the tiff; all I know is that if we all just put our noses down and fold we'll be able to keep ahead long enough to formulate a plan to stay there...
I don't know what the old PPD scheme was like previous, but I make between 90-100k a day and it's off of a bunch of old HW in my garage; don't cry about what it used to be (it's the same for everyone else now too) and just get to maximizing with what the new accepted reality is... Do we all wish we had a farm of Opterons to whip? Yeah, but most of us don't so just work with what you have and do your best; if we all put in everything we have then we stand the best chance... If another team buys their way in then so be it, but at least we can say we fought our best with what we had if that's how it played out...
No need to create drama or politics to this; I think it's good to have stats and intel, but to bicker over it is pointless... Just fold...
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/22 22:40:07
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MOBAJOBG
Xavier Zepherious
shdbcamping
ramcharger89
My thought is that some people at [h] have payed for some "Cloud Time" and if they can afford to pay for it then it's theirs to have!
Now if we can come up with some kind of plan to slow down the [h] fine, if not that's fine too.
We do still have a 1.3BILLION point lead!
Hi Sean
Hi Ram ,
My point as well. Fix it with a plan or quit whining and blaming. EVGA is better than that.
JIMO, YMMV
EDIT: Still looking for that I7 920?
My sentiments exactly.
we have to start planning and reaching out to grow the team
both for Crunching and folding
we can do both and still keep [H] at bay while gaining on the DC side
Im getting two keplers when they come out and then building another rig
if you can't do that(afford upgrading or adding rigs) then help with recruiting
some members are in College and Universities - Post some flyers - start a EVGA folding club
some work in institutions - science labs,hospitals, High tech...make it a point to get the admin or co-workers involved
just as long as people go out and try to do something..I will thank them
Another suggestion I would like to share is; our team's DAB rep to request PG to introduce a variant of higher PPD GPU work units (WUs) in addition to just working on bigadv/bigbeta WUs for multiprocessor rigs. I'm assuming that there're numerous gpu folders here.
That's a big yes from me.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 05:46:50
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Afterburner
Until I see one more than half of our 1,121 members post their thoughts... ALL of the input here is the minority.
AB raises an important and interesting point here. That "active membership" is down to 1,109 today and I expect most of them are the wiser for it to avoid posting their thoughts here. After what happened in this thread, I will not post about results again and am very encouraged to (at minimum) simply join the "silent majority" as well. There is no reason for the attacks that happen here and a shame that a thread that simply wanted to raise awareness to our competition had to degenerate this way. It actually makes me consider switching Teams all together at times. I'm a person that likes to help others and this atmosphere is just not as friendly as it once was. I don't know if it is animosity toward Crunching, anger at PG or what, but it is certainly there. We are not operating as a Team when we go after each other this way and [H] will "hand us our hats" because they are smart enough to pull together instead of do this stuff. We could learn thing or two from them about that one.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 06:43:21
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Afterburner
Until I see one more than half of our 1,121 members post their thoughts... ALL of the input here is the minority.
AB raises an important and interesting point here. That "active membership" is down to 1,109 today and I expect most of them are the wiser for it to avoid posting their thoughts here.
After what happened in this thread, I will not post about results again and am very encouraged to (at minimum) simply join the "silent majority" as well. There is no reason for the attacks that happen here and a shame that a thread that simply wanted to raise awareness to our competition had to degenerate this way. It actually makes me consider switching Teams all together at times. I'm a person that likes to help others and this atmosphere is just not as friendly as it once was. I don't know if it is animosity toward Crunching, anger at PG or what, but it is certainly there. We are not operating as a Team when we go after each other this way and [H] will "hand us our hats" because they are smart enough to pull together instead of do this stuff. We could learn thing or two from them about that one.
Tex, you are a good team member and a nice guy on top of that. Please don't let the negativity of a few people influence you in this way. I for one appreciate when you give reports and show the trends as it helps to remind me where we are and keeps me focused. For example, after reading this thread the other day I fired up a few more clients just because of what you posted...so thank you. You can't change people, they're going to be the way they are no matter what happens. The only thing people like us can do is continue to donate our computer cycles and help others where we can. Let the rest carry on how they wish and not have an impact on how we operate.
My computer finds cures for diseases and searches for aliens when I'm not gaming...what does yours do?
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 07:00:31
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texinga
Afterburner
Until I see one more than half of our 1,121 members post their thoughts... ALL of the input here is the minority.
AB raises an important and interesting point here. That "active membership" is down to 1,109 today and I expect most of them are the wiser for it to avoid posting their thoughts here.
After what happened in this thread, I will not post about results again and am very encouraged to (at minimum) simply join the "silent majority" as well. There is no reason for the attacks that happen here and a shame that a thread that simply wanted to raise awareness to our competition had to degenerate this way. It actually makes me consider switching Teams all together at times. I'm a person that likes to help others and this atmosphere is just not as friendly as it once was. I don't know if it is animosity toward Crunching, anger at PG or what, but it is certainly there. We are not operating as a Team when we go after each other this way and [H] will "hand us our hats" because they are smart enough to pull together instead of do this stuff. We could learn thing or two from them about that one.
While I can understand your thinking, I hope you understand my comment is meant in a positive way. There are only a small (VERY small) handful of folks that repeatedly cause the drama. They are in no way shape or form the Majority and DO NOT represent our team atmosphere or attitude. Seriously, stop and think... Go back and read... The same three to four folks that cause this heartache are the same ones over and over and over and ... You get my point. And frankly, speaking as a member here, no scratch that. As a Moderator as well, it is my opinion... The time has come for them to make a choice when it comes to F@H conversations. Knock it off. We get it! Or leave and never return. They are doing all the damage now. PG made their bed. Now is the time to find new ways to succeed and move forward. The time of "Woe is me" is OVER! The time of crying and complaining is OVER! The time of "Blame everyone else and not look at myself and the damage I do" is OVER. It IS time to move on. It is time for us to stop responding to the few and listen to the many. 80/20 rule is how I live. And how I will be responding from now on with F@H. I am here to support those that want to grow and be a positive part of this team.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:10:15
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I get your meaning AB (in your extended response), and admit that I did come away with a bit of a different reaction to the "all input here is a minority" comment. The 80/20 rule seems to be an ever-lasting ratio across many things in life, and the "20" is sometimes all that participates or speaks up. There is also that old sage advice from many years in customer service, that "for every 10 people that take time to complain, there are 100 more that just go away quietly". I wonder how many FAH Folders, Team members, etc there were that just went away quietly. I don't want anyone to quit the Team or leave because of thread behavior unless they really feel that is the best thing for them. I also would not hold anything against their decisions to do whatever they feel is right. There are so many of you that just Fold, don't cause drama and are as AB said "the majority". I'm just struggling with some things right now and simply being openly honest about how I've been feel as well. Kody, thank-you man and right back at you too. You are one of my favorite people here and a great source of encouragement to the Team. We need a lot more like you buddy. 
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:16:35
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actually it does some good -we were made aware -some increased output -some are getting more members -we vent some air (not a bad thing as long as it doesn't get out of hand - no one should take things personally). Yes Im tired of it, but some people tale longer to get it out of their system - be patient (that doesn't mean they can't get their feelings out) Think of it as a FAHaholics(similar to AA) meetings - everyone keeps talking about their issues - it's therapy - even tho it's the same story told many times -As long as we all do something - and work as a a team I don't see an issue let some only crunch - the team will adjust and get more folders to cover it- some are already covering some of the drop with new hardware and new members. you scratch Crunching@EVGA's back by supporting them (crunch/recruit) members supporting that will help out here - whether to fold or finding new members
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:16:49
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Every single WU we can complete is all that matters. That has gotten lost in focus for a few... Being #1 does not matter to me. While a great goal for those that like to succeed, at the end of the day it does not matter. No one sees any of us on the street and says "Hey look, there is one of the members of the #1 folding team in the world"... Now I like to succeed and would love to keep #1. But it is not why I help. I want to see more of our friends and families have a chance to LIVE... That is where it is at for me...
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:31:22
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Hey texinga.... So that it does not get lost in all this... I appreciate these kinds of threads for awareness as your original intent is and was. Regardless of who starts them. It is the dragging out old buried hatches that many of us grow tired of. Not your message and call to arms...
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:38:28
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AB... I think I understand where you're coming from but I'm going to disagree with you on your statement that: "Being #1 does not matter."
If that statement were a blanket truism, then we'd have no reason for sports. After all, sports are there for one reason, to find out who is the best. Lots of fingers point in the air, foam ones included during sports contests.
This folding is a contest to some, ergo, as a contest there must be some sort of end goal. In this case, much like sports we need to know who is first, the best as a team. Given that I think you would agree that most individuals and teams that compete are goal oriented.
I don't see that being any different for folding/crunching. Who is the best team? Certainly in the past EVGA has stood out as being No. 1, heck it's even on the EVGA boxes we get our toys shipped in.
Now, I would believe you if you had said, "I don't care about being number one." That way you speak for yourself and not as a general consensus of the team as a whole (which I am sure you agree, you do not speak for the team directly, you speak for yourself).
That being said, if push comes to shove I'll move one of my machines (my first EVGA built (PLEASE NOTE THE SHAMELESS PLUG FOR EVGA PRODUCTS!) folder back to folding full time when I'm not gaming and keep the other weaker three machines crunching.
As much as I'd love to spit out some big bucks to keep the TEAM on top, I'm afraid I don't have that in me right now.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:46:20
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Viper97
Now, I would believe you if you had said, "I don't care about being number one." That way you speak for yourself and not as a general consensus of the team as a whole (which I am sure you agree, you do not speak for the team directly, you speak for yourself).
Good point... That post was my personal Opinion and I adjusted it accordingly. That said. Fighting to be #1 gets more WU's done. All I meant is the focus needs to be WU's not #1... Being #1 does not cure Cancer. Completing WU's can!
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:49:23
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Viper all yo have to do is go out and bring in new folders...and crunchers
Id be happy with that.
One folder can bring in as much as you once did - and it will have the effect of spreading the word more - because they will also bring one in..and so on.
if you wish to move over - do it when you feel like it and are comfy with it
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 08:57:12
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Good point... That post was my personal Opinion and I adjusted it accordingly. That said. Fighting to be #1 gets more WU's done. All I meant is the focus needs to be WU's not #1... Being #1 does not cure Cancer. Completing WU's can! I won't get into the whole quanity vs quality schtick...  but yeah, only completing the WU's can lead to a possible end to diseases. If not a definitive end or extinction, then at least a viable and inexpensive treatment. My problem still lies in the transparency of the [link=mailto:F@H]F@H[/link] program and what we are really working on. I prefer something we laymen (read - not scientists/doctors) can understand. I think a good example of this is the forums at WCG where we understand better (if not completely) at least what we are doing and where it sits as a program. I find that refreshing. PG could due to hang around that forum and learn a few things.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 09:03:08
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XZ, I still fold but not like I use to. When the call went out for a team of EVGA crunchers, I thought I'd spend more time helping the team rise in the ranks. That has been fun for me, as I've really felt good helping a young team get off the ground and make a name for itself. When I discovered folding mid year of 2011, I joined it. Seemed like a reasonable way to help out but what I do realize that I missed was the team building aspect of it. I enjoy helping the underdog (probably why I was a Chargers fan in the 70's  ) The EVGA folding team was already No. 1 and well, all I could do was to push my numbers up to something respectable. I reallly do feel guilty only folding for half a month for points. I'm open to see if I can hit 600K a month on my single rig. Ain't much but it is something. That way I don't feel like such a worthless slacker... 
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 18:55:48
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crunch baby, crunch with cpu's cause flu ain't really interesting to me. And that makes it a waste of resources.
Fold baby, fold with what GPU's are left. Until they all burn up. Then wait on Kepler and do it all over again.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 19:05:33
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sinsear
They also have many 2P and 4P systems, where they benefit from the boost in -bigadv points lately.
Yep. Those big server systems are pulling more massive points than ever before...and they've got a bunch of 'em. It makes me jealous.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 19:37:23
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94_xj
sinsear
They also have many 2P and 4P systems, where they benefit from the boost in -bigadv points lately.
Yep. Those big server systems are pulling more massive points than ever before...and they've got a bunch of 'em.
It makes me jealous.
And that is just sick! I wonder how many we have... I think it would be fun to build one 
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/23 23:32:48
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Going back to the OP, I find it ironic that EVGA will drop from the #1 spot in less than a year if all things remain the same. EVGA makes gpus, not cpus. Sure they make the SR-2 but I've never seen it in any Fry's or Microcenter ad, so it must be a fraction of their profits. Keplars and Maxwells might change things in the future but won't help the EVGA folding team as long as 2P+ systems are bringing in the mega points. Either PG needs to balance the gpu points with the cpu points or EVGA needs to up the incentive.
BTW, I haven't folded in the past couple days because my client in Tracker is stuck so I need to delete everything and reinstall.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/24 02:06:34
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Either PG needs to balance the gpu points with the cpu points or EVGA needs to up the incentive.
Or you could fire up Bionic, fold on gpu grid and ignore panda all together. if team EVGA boycotted F@H for 3 months or so, I bet we'd get panda's attention.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/24 05:10:25
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Kepler is supposed to have some crazy awesome compute performance. When it comes out, maybe we can push back really hard using those. I'm trying to save up for some and move the 480s to another box.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/24 05:34:44
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As of this morning (and I know these things do shift a bit), but the overtake for [H] has dropped to 7.3 months. Whatever we do (assuming that we do care about being #1), we'd better start doing it soon. My hat is off to the people at [H] as well because they are cranking like a well-oiled machine and it deserves recognition.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/24 05:43:32
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rklapp
Either PG needs to balance the gpu points with the cpu points or EVGA needs to up the incentive.
I think EVGA already has a pretty good incentive, but maybe they should move that incentive to another distributed computing project that values GPU work fairly. I really feed bad for the researchers at Stanford that aren't running big bigadv (meaning most other than Kasson) as people shut down their GPU farms and buy large SMP machines.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/24 05:51:06
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shdbcamping
crunch baby, crunch with cpu's cause flu ain't really interesting to me. And that makes it a waste of resources.
Fold baby, fold with what GPU's are left. Until they all burn up. Then wait on Kepler and do it all over again.
Please stop spreading false information. To my knowledge, the only way to ensure that you are only doing influenza research is to fold BigAdv WUs. The extreme irony of this is not lost on me. Folding SMP and uniprocessor clients covers a wide variety of protein folding research. If you want to know what you are actually folding, search the detailed project information. If you want to get an idea of what is available, look at the project summary. Yes, there is some influenza research, namely anything by Dr. Kasson. I'm not saying don't crunch or fold however you feel appropriate, but CPU folding is not strictly influenza research unless you are running the current generation of BidAdv.
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Re:An [H]eads up...
2012/02/24 06:53:52
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Kepler i don't think will completely change the landscape of folding. Maxwell, also known as a supercomputer on a chip just might. it should be able to do anything a CPU can do, and do it 30x faster(if the rumors of a dedicated CPU are true)
so let OCP build their 4P systems.
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