Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/13 13:07:53
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The-Hunter http://www.mountainmods.c...cension-cyo-p-493.html Its that one you are saying, can you plz link the case you are thinking of? IF it is the one above, I would do 4 quads in sandwich or as swiftech calls it, QP, I dont know of anything else that removes more heat and keeps things silent than this, why you say, well, mostly just because you can, and well, if you want to OC and have 4 dual fermi cards.. you will probably need it.... And yes, you need two power supplies, one for mobo and one for GPUs if not you will pull more than 1500 out of the socket if you are Europe and either risk overheating your power line or blow up your power switch. There is no other way round this known to me at least. I believe if you are USA your max is 1300 W and that is err, juts about almost enough for dual CPU OC alone.. depending on mostly how much heat you can remove fast enough from these CPUs. I did manage to run my CPU and down clock the GPUS at 4.8 GHz just for fun for a bit of testing for fun. It does not work thou on normal use, burn runs overheat the CPU as heat wont get removed fast enough (my ambient temperatur in summer time is hi) so, to sum it up, I can say that you need all the radiators you can fit on that case to do what you want depending on how hi a OC and how much heat the fermi cards will output. I am thinking each fermi GPU will do about 300-330 W range. On this I am not certain thou. We will have to wait until EVGA finds us some golden ones and does a hydrocopper of that GPU for my build. in the US most homes have a recepticals with 15 or 20 amp rating, at 110v that would work out to be about 1650w to 2200w total available watts of current draw of AC power (volts x amps=watts). If you look at PSU specs they will tell you how much current (amps) are needed for a certain PSU. example, PCP&C 1200w unit needs 15a @ 115v, Corsair HX1000 needs 13a@115v. you could run a dedicated 30A circuit just for your PSU(s) or change the breaker to a higher Amperage one provided the wire size is big enough to support it ( 10awg would be ideal but 12awg would work, check local codes) since power can fluctuate between 90 and 130 v a good VOM to check your power is a good ideal, also make sure to build in enough over head for peak times.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/13 15:10:12
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mick64 Hi, I have designed a case that may suitable for this board. I now have someone who is going to attempt to build it and hopefully put it into limited production. I can't say as to when it will be available though, as there will be a lot of work to do to ensure that the fabrication process is doable. The-Hunter has already posted my design, but this new render is a slightly larger version that incorporates 10 PCI slots and an additional 5.25 drive bay. It also shows what the case would look like with the dual socket motherboard installed....  that is some awesome work right there Mick, now I just need to know who you get to manufacture it so I can start sending them mails 10 times a day, call them 50 times a day and make sure they get a move on that manufacturing job, so will take the much needed "skip, go right to the manufacturing, by first sampling one, they will check the sample for its usual suspects, it will of course be perfect, so it will get send right on to the manufacturing queue, THEN, next days, surely, I can order it already
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/13 17:54:54
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GoofyR I just remembered while looking at different pcu's for this board. I seen some 5.25 slot power supplys for gpu's. I cant remember who manufactured the units though. So you could possible get away with one main pcu and a couple of these new bay power supplys. plz read one of my earlier post in this same thread, its exactly what you are looking for
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/13 18:05:04
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The-Hunter mick64 Hi, I have designed a case that may suitable for this board. I now have someone who is going to attempt to build it and hopefully put it into limited production. I can't say as to when it will be available though, as there will be a lot of work to do to ensure that the fabrication process is doable. The-Hunter has already posted my design, but this new render is a slightly larger version that incorporates 10 PCI slots and an additional 5.25 drive bay. It also shows what the case would look like with the dual socket motherboard installed.... that is some awesome work right there Mick, now I just need to know who you get to manufacture it so I can start sending them mails 10 times a day, call them 50 times a day and make sure they get a move on that manufacturing job, so will take the much needed "skip, go right to the manufacturing, by first sampling one, they will check the sample for its usual suspects, it will of course be perfect, so it will get send right on to the manufacturing queue, THEN, next days, surely, I can order it already    me want that setup!!!!
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/14 04:29:26
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System :- Gunmetal Antec P182 : Antec Quattro 850 : Asus P5E Deluxe : Intel Q9550 (E0) @ 4004MHz (8.5 x 471 FSB) 1.4 volts (VID: 1.3v) : 8Gb 1100 OCZ Gold XTC @ 942MHz 2.0 volts (5-5-5-15) : Gainward GTX 570 GS GLH (GPU: 800MHz, Shader: 1600MHz, Memory: 2000MHz) : 1x 128Gb Crucial RealSSD + Asus U3S6 (OS) : 1x 1Tb & 2x 500Gb Samsung Spinpoints (Storage) : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64bit) Cooling : 4x Sharkoon Eagle 2000's (Case) : 3x Scythe Gentle Typhoons (R120-T rad) : 4x Scythe Gentle Typhoons (RS 240 rad in push-pull) : Akasa Fan Control Pro : Stepped Aquacomputer Cuplex XT di : EK FC5X0 GTX GW - Nickel (GTX 570) : Swiftech MCP355 : 1x XSPC R120-T : 1x XSPC RS 240 : XSPC Bay Reservoir : XSPC 1/2" Tubing : Blue Feser
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/14 11:39:59
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quadlatte The-Hunter http://www.mountainmods.c...cension-cyo-p-493.html Its that one you are saying, can you plz link the case you are thinking of? IF it is the one above, I would do 4 quads in sandwich or as swiftech calls it, QP, I dont know of anything else that removes more heat and keeps things silent than this, why you say, well, mostly just because you can, and well, if you want to OC and have 4 dual fermi cards.. you will probably need it.... And yes, you need two power supplies, one for mobo and one for GPUs if not you will pull more than 1500 out of the socket if you are Europe and either risk overheating your power line or blow up your power switch. There is no other way round this known to me at least. I believe if you are USA your max is 1300 W and that is err, juts about almost enough for dual CPU OC alone.. depending on mostly how much heat you can remove fast enough from these CPUs. I did manage to run my CPU and down clock the GPUS at 4.8 GHz just for fun for a bit of testing for fun. It does not work thou on normal use, burn runs overheat the CPU as heat wont get removed fast enough (my ambient temperatur in summer time is hi) so, to sum it up, I can say that you need all the radiators you can fit on that case to do what you want depending on how hi a OC and how much heat the fermi cards will output. I am thinking each fermi GPU will do about 300-330 W range. On this I am not certain thou. We will have to wait until EVGA finds us some golden ones and does a hydrocopper of that GPU for my build. in the US most homes have a recepticals with 15 or 20 amp rating, at 110v that would work out to be about 1650w to 2200w total available watts of current draw of AC power (volts x amps=watts). If you look at PSU specs they will tell you how much current (amps) are needed for a certain PSU. example, PCP&C 1200w unit needs 15a @ 115v, Corsair HX1000 needs 13a@115v. you could run a dedicated 30A circuit just for your PSU(s) or change the breaker to a higher Amperage one provided the wire size is big enough to support it ( 10awg would be ideal but 12awg would work, check local codes) since power can fluctuate between 90 and 130 v a good VOM to check your power is a good ideal, also make sure to build in enough over head for peak times. I think I understand you but to make sure are you saying a corsair HX1000 should work in any socket? If using 2 could you run to another plug on the same wall outlet or do you need to go down to your next outlet on a different part of the wall. Thanks
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/14 11:57:47
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The-Hunter Skull Crusher Do you think 4 285's or 2 295's would stay cooler without water cooling ty for you last post. I would not recommend running either one of those combinations of that with no water cooling myself. You might get away with running the cpus on a non 4.5 ghz club OC with a nice good huge heat sink with good effect and little noise produced, but aiming for the same on the VGA cards, if low noise is your objective, I would put my money on water cooling the evga cards first, and the cpus second, if I had to choose where to invest money into the system. Its simple, the fans and heat sinks on the cpus can be far larger than the stuff that can fit into a graphics card. I don't think 4 285s versus 2 295 will make much difference, the 4 285 will have a larger surface area so he fans can spin less than the 295s but there is more of them, so net it should be roughly the same. Just look at the cooler size of a cpu cooler on air versus the size of the cooler on a vga card on air. Then think of the heat output of 2 max clocked cpus at round 400w heat, versus, 2 295 cards at tdp at 300w each at max. The logic of what makes the most noise and heat is relatively simple to understand when you think of it this way. I should have been more clear I will try and put a message under my signature if it works. I meant if I was doing no overclocking. I have no idea how much heat these thing produce. It is very hard to guess because people jump back and forth between overclocking and not. I will most likely be in a Mountain Mods Extended Ascension with a Unholy amount of fans. I can not say as of yet what type of CPU cooler I will use as the board will be cramped (funny with all that size). I will wait to see what you guys do. But as a GPU novice I do not know if they will stay cool enough to give them a long life without water. The line between Overclocking and Stock gets blurred when you hear peoples testimonials. I will not be overclocking anything as I will be using this for video editing and do not want to deal with the headaches.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/14 15:00:28
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http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/fans/gentle-typhoon-120-mm.html Gentle Typhoon review http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/120-140-fans-roundup_18.html I got a quad rad 2 fans in push 2 in pull question today. Mick, or anyone, what kind of net cooling wattage can we expect over a hi density quad rad with 2 in push and 2 in pull here with this fan over a quad rad at round 2/3 of max fan speed? I noted you use this in your design and I am almost sure you did your homework when you choose your computer parts here by now. I am trying to decide on my exact fan numbers, what exact rad setup I will use. I can do two quad rads blowing towards each other then airing out the heat out of the top of the case by making holes in it on top, or keep the case as today, with a quad fan in with, and as pictured, as in fans, 2 in push and 2 in pull. And that will net give me "some heat dump number" I am also considering how many HDs I can squeeze into Micks case, versus mod the case further to have yet another rad in front mid peace of the case or not. I would like not to have to mod the case and use that front mounted rad option If it can be done with a total low noise of what is there already as pictured. I got about 2000w heat to get rid of when I take into account the water cooled PSU and I am now thinking I will go quad NVIDIA 480 / fermi if you want to call it that. As I wont be able to have more than one quad rad to cool the SLI and single triple rad to dish out heat on those CPUs I would most welcome some feedback on this topic. I am simply trying to establish exactly how and what kind of cooling setup I need to disperse all that heat here, and where on what chain to put the water cooled PSU. (I will need that PSU on water as I have my PSU today spinning on a fairly hi rpm but its also supposed to be relatively quiet, well, it outputs more noise alone, than all my other fans or other parts can create of noise together, this when I do folding on 4 cores already) So with one more CPU and 1 more graphics cards than I have today, and some more PSU aging taking into account I see no other way than a water cooled PSU to run things quiet, either two cpu or the normal type, and a water cooled of the type I & mick linked (same unit) in the above post as a 5,25 mounted second PSU to get the total job done. When it comes to heat output, we are at: 200w per cpu (400) 100w for the mobo give or take (I expect there will be water cooling blocks for this mobo soon enough after its launched) 300w for the PSU 300w per Fermi/480 (1200) .......... 2000w Is the total heat I need removed at, what I hope to be, a quiet fan mode for a total of 8+shroud or 16 fans over the quad rad, and 6+shroud or 12 fans over the triple rad ->2 cpus-> mobo blocks-> PSU-> res-> pump-> triple rad-> ->4*GTX 480-> red-> pump-> quad rad-> I am expecting a dual loop will do but I cant make up my mind where to put what things on what loop and in exactly what I can expect of that cooling loop setup, at least just not yet. I am pondering round this topic and hoping for some fan noise / total wattage of a quad rad, type feedback. Its a bit of topic of thread itself but still within the threads intention I hope. Anyone have a link to a review of this type of experience / input to give? Any feedback will be most welcome.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/14 15:10:43
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Skull Crusher The-Hunter Skull Crusher Do you think 4 285's or 2 295's would stay cooler without water cooling ty for you last post. I would not recommend running either one of those combinations of that with no water cooling myself. You might get away with running the cpus on a non 4.5 ghz club OC with a nice good huge heat sink with good effect and little noise produced, but aiming for the same on the VGA cards, if low noise is your objective, I would put my money on water cooling the evga cards first, and the cpus second, if I had to choose where to invest money into the system. Its simple, the fans and heat sinks on the cpus can be far larger than the stuff that can fit into a graphics card. I don't think 4 285s versus 2 295 will make much difference, the 4 285 will have a larger surface area so he fans can spin less than the 295s but there is more of them, so net it should be roughly the same. Just look at the cooler size of a cpu cooler on air versus the size of the cooler on a vga card on air. Then think of the heat output of 2 max clocked cpus at round 400w heat, versus, 2 295 cards at tdp at 300w each at max. The logic of what makes the most noise and heat is relatively simple to understand when you think of it this way. I should have been more clear I will try and put a message under my signature if it works. I meant if I was doing no overclocking. I have no idea how much heat these thing produce. It is very hard to guess because people jump back and forth between overclocking and not. I will most likely be in a Mountain Mods Extended Ascension with a Unholy amount of fans. I can not say as of yet what type of CPU cooler I will use as the board will be cramped (funny with all that size). I will wait to see what you guys do. But as a GPU novice I do not know if they will stay cool enough to give them a long life without water. The line between Overclocking and Stock gets blurred when you hear peoples testimonials. I will not be overclocking anything as I will be using this for video editing and do not want to deal with the headaches. one quad cpu on non OC is about 130W, so is the hexa core of the new type, see a earlier post of mine in this thread. most of the hi end graphics cards peack at at max atx spec, 300w per card, oc them a bit more and.. yes more heat/w to your other question, if you are not going to OC this, you are fine with one 1300W PSU if you go air cooling, water blocks on mobo should give round 100w more heat in the water loop. Please see the w psu calculator I linked earlier in this thread. If you are in USA the max you can pull from one wall power socked is 1300w, and 1700w if you are euro. If you need more than that, you need a separate line feed to a second socked in your wall, and make sure you have enough amp to feed your room total, as was pointed out a few post above in the switchboard. Oh.. yes, be sure to get a line stabilizer as was pointed out above by quadlatte as well. You are at the edge here if you want to go all out in what this mobo can do for you. Now, Lets rock
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/15 01:25:46
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System :- Gunmetal Antec P182 : Antec Quattro 850 : Asus P5E Deluxe : Intel Q9550 (E0) @ 4004MHz (8.5 x 471 FSB) 1.4 volts (VID: 1.3v) : 8Gb 1100 OCZ Gold XTC @ 942MHz 2.0 volts (5-5-5-15) : Gainward GTX 570 GS GLH (GPU: 800MHz, Shader: 1600MHz, Memory: 2000MHz) : 1x 128Gb Crucial RealSSD + Asus U3S6 (OS) : 1x 1Tb & 2x 500Gb Samsung Spinpoints (Storage) : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64bit) Cooling : 4x Sharkoon Eagle 2000's (Case) : 3x Scythe Gentle Typhoons (R120-T rad) : 4x Scythe Gentle Typhoons (RS 240 rad in push-pull) : Akasa Fan Control Pro : Stepped Aquacomputer Cuplex XT di : EK FC5X0 GTX GW - Nickel (GTX 570) : Swiftech MCP355 : 1x XSPC R120-T : 1x XSPC RS 240 : XSPC Bay Reservoir : XSPC 1/2" Tubing : Blue Feser
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/15 07:24:10
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I followed about two years worth of forum talk where people were talking about their skulltrail builds. All you overclockers I would go topshelf on cooling. On the skulltrails atleast everyone who had skimped quickly upgraded to the best reviewed products at the time. Or they had a meltdown or both. 2 CPU's + GPU's + overclocking = Serious Heat. Alot started on air but everone ( that was still alive) save one was on water by the end. Save yourself some money is my .02's.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/15 19:19:39
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mick64 @The-Hunter, Don't know if you've seen this already, but it might be of some help. Unfortunately, water cooling is not an exact science because there is so many variables..... Water Cooling Estimator Spreadsheet - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=206542 EDIT: Also, Antec have a simple PSU calculator that may be helpful..... PSU Calculator - http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine Thank you Mick, I have looked and linked one of those that gives the exact same result for the PSU calculator in this thread here, and sadly my numbers I have reached on this build with the kind of OC I am aiming for, are simply staggering and if my logic is right true. A single max ATX spec ATI card is 239w, the top current NVIDIA is 209w. I aim for a fair bit of OC, as I have managed to get my existing cards up hi and they are running all fine all day every day, and I land on my .. MY... yeah.. its hi.. Correct me if my logic is wrong, but in my mind 239w on a graphics card, this translates in my head to direct heat that needs to be removed. As an example as foundation of my logic the water cooled kolance PSU itself, clearly specify at 220V it needs 300w in heat removed constant when running at max. The numbers are WAY hi, I know... so what to do, if I am for a low OC on the 4 GPU's I might shave up bit, today I run my GTX285 at 735 Mhz on the GPU , its a OC that is perfectly stable and they are happily doing its thing all day every day, but I fear the new fermi's or 480' will reach absolute max and from what I have read up so far, will reach what might be new levels of heat damage never seen before on OC, but this we surely wont know, or even if they will OC well enough to reach my numbers I have put in, before they are out and about a bit. I seen your XLS there in a older version of it a while ago, its great, I believe by looking at some of the math and its data that its numbers are true but, I am now in the mindset to figure out if its 100% correct to rebuild it a bit, for that I have to unlock it and include into it what I think will come from NVIDIA next. As is is so far today, by thinking about this and how it will all run for me, I have found that I might be best of including all into one single loop, as I hardly get to use my current graphics cards much at the same time as my CPUs are workong hard at max OC. The way I have the loop now, I feel that the fan speed of one section might go way up while the other loop relax in a calm fan speed heaven. But this build of mine seems to already exceed the limits of the best pump pressure and I have noticing a almost 2 C variance when I insert a second pump in a single loop. I am trying to figure it all out but so far it seems that it has reached its existing limit as of its design to calculate what I am I am aiming to undertake and make at max OC, 24/7 stable here. This build that I am trying my best to peace together as best I can does not seem to be "normal" and I found none to compare to so far on the web. I am looking for guys that are trying to remove the same kind of heat for 24/7 use 364 days a year. But I have come up short, I have seen water chillers that will do the job and so on, that will work but that is not the experience I am aimng for, I simply want all of this into one relatively slim and relatively "normal" but sex looking case, so for this I have not found anyone removing the same heat yet. I will have a go at that xls calculator and dig into its logic a while more before I make any kind of conclusion of rad type and if it ever will manage this at all with not modifying the case to house more rads. I just cant tell right now as I am out of what I can edit into it as standard before I modify the sheet. What are your case rad chamber size like, can it manage the new 140 size rads? a triple 140 is like a quad 120!
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/16 04:22:39
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I am sure you have seen the UN Designs Mountain Mods Build. Just in case you have, not look it up. Sounds like you want a toned down case but you might be able to gleam some ideas. Almost anything could be cooled with his setup with possibly a few tweaks I would think. Like I said this is only for inspiration if you want a more standard case. http://www.xtremesystems....howthread.php?t=212236
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/16 07:42:27
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If you had 2 x 1000w power supplies on one system and 1 x 1000 + 1 x 600w on another running identical setups would the first one cost more to run or is it only the power you use? Seems like the first would run quieter (with a temp. sensing fan) and have better expandability. Anyone feel free to point out a mistake in my thinking.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/16 09:00:55
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Skull Crusher If you had 2 x 1000w power supplies on one system and 1 x 1000 + 1 x 600w on another running identical setups would the first one cost more to run or is it only the power you use? Seems like the first would run quieter (with a temp. sensing fan) and have better expandability. Anyone feel free to point out a mistake in my thinking. (This response is to my understanding - if I'm wrong - please correct me!) To start to answer the question - it would only use as much power as is being required by the components being powered. Further- The cost of running the system based on wattage is hard - if the first 2 power supplies are only 82% efficient vs the 2nd set being 90% efficient then the more efficient ones will cost less to operate based upon the same power draw. Efficiency is also relative to how much load is being put on the power supply and I'm pretty sure that temperature can affect it a bit as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Talonman - I envy you.... For approx $9000 (a safe guess after the cost of your wife's new TV) I would love to do something like this: Mountain Mods case (Likely Horizion because I want the MB to be mounted horizontally) Dual APED-1300FC(M) (A/PFC) 1100 watt power supplies The new dual Xeon EVGA motherboard 2x of the 6-core Xeons OC to whatever they could be (  12 cores at that speed - up to 24 threads.... the utter power this would possess...) Dual custom Phase Change units (This would make the additional size of the computer case ridiculously high sadly...) (Due to the $9k cost limit this would probably not be able to happen - but I'm not sure on the cost of a custom phase unit either) 12gb high speed RAM (6gb per processor) Because I fold - 4x GTX 285 classified OR preferably 2x-4x top end Fermi 2 Water cooled loops - 1 loop each per pair of video cards - use your imagination for the highest performing loop possible and it's what I would want in here. for HDD - I want 2x SSD in RAID-0 for my boot & a few program installations - I would also then 3x 2TB drives in RAID-5 for data storage. 2x Blu-Ray burners - probably something from Sony since BD-ROM is their thing originally Monitors... There are many choices but I would likely select a single NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK or if i wanted smaller the 26" LCD2690WUXI2
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/16 10:25:54
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Any ideas on how much longer it will be before they release this monster ?
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/16 11:11:42
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Skull Crusher I am sure you have seen the UN Designs Mountain Mods Build. Just in case you have, not look it up. Sounds like you want a toned down case but you might be able to gleam some ideas. Almost anything could be cooled with his setup with possibly a few tweaks I would think. Like I said this is only for inspiration if you want a more standard case. http://www.xtremesystems....howthread.php?t=212236 Yes, that is a great case, it has certainly has grown on me the last two weeks as I been investigating this build. ut, its not what I aim to do, even thou it would end up more quiet total solution, because of the sheer size of the case, if Mick manage to get his product on the road I will try this build on his case. I have found no other alternative case out there as of now. Nothing.. that can deal with this heat and have room for this motherboard. Now, I read that there are rumors that Lian LI is are making a case able to house this motherboard but, there is no indication as of yet what that product is. Or if it will have room enough for the sheer size of rads we need here to get this build done. The problem is not only the rads itself but its also the fact that above 1500w heat or so, you should probably go for shrouds if you have a triple + quad rad and have them the rads hi density fins and hi rpm fans
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/16 12:37:45
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I think I now found something that can deal with my challenge above: heat output, in my setup at OC I am at: 200w per cpu (400) Xeon5680 100w for the mobo give or take (I expect there will be water cooling blocks for this mobo soon enough after its launched) 300w for the PSU 300w per Fermi/480 (1200) .......... 2000w Is roughly the total heat when everything is running at max I put together some peaces, that I believe will be, a "relatively" quiet fan mode for a total of 8 fans+shrouds over the quad rad, and 6 fans +shroud over the triple rad ->2 cpus-> mobo blocks-> > triple rad-> >4*GTX 480-> PSU - > RES -> pump-> quad rad-> pump -> Any feedback guys if this loop will be ideal? I see a people putting two pumps in chain right after each other over at XS systems all rads on, push: and pull and shrouds both sides of rads Parts: http://www.hwlabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=12 http://www.hwlabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14&Itemid=11 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7717/ex-rad-137/Feser_Xtender_120mm_Radiator_Shroud_-_Dual_Red_LED.html#blank http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=665 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5681047&CatId=1078 http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=797 http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=798 http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=740 http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=493 Fans: pondering over these two: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/120-140-fans-roundup_18.html with this one I probably wont need shrouds on both sides of the rads: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9067/fan-560/Feser_Noiseblocker_Triebwerk_TK-122_NB-Multiframe_120mm_x_55mm_Mid_Speed_Fan_-_1800_RPM.html source: http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,680048/TFC-Triebwerk-Giant-fan-pictured/News/ http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1663&pageID=7467 http://skinneelabs.com/hwlabs-gtx360.html?page=4 http://www.extreme.outervision.com/articles/psu/epower/ep350cd/ep_350cd_1.jsp http://www.extreme.outerv...ep350cd/ep_350cd_1.jsp]coolingtechnique[/link] http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=223391 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=it%7Cen&u=http://www.coolingtechnique.com/martinsliquidlab.html&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&client=tmpg&usg=ALkJrhhu0xehCJfru0ecB2D2S7bWe0Jp-g and.. because its important http://www.murdermod.com/murderware/floating-res-holder-set.htm I already got several of these parts, the water cooling fans and controller set for the pumps, etc, so, I will get a couple of the fans, the rads etc, and test a bit on my existing system, get some temperature readers into my existing build and see what happens when it comes to fans and noise. Now, I think I made my choices and will start to order in this build as things get available to purchase, so hurry up both of you.. EVGA & Mick
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/17 05:45:25
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I have no doubt that Lian Li and a couple guys will come out with a couple models. I would not get my hopes up on engineering as until this size becomes standard (if ever) the demand will not warrant their full attention. They will take existing cases and blow them up a little. The problem here is the lack of years of trial and error on where the guts go. No doubt the board will fit but whether the pumps rads tubing wires fans etc fit. I would just plan on a little mod work. Of coarse we are not going to bury the thing so looks are important. If they stick with the single 5.25 bay look I fear the case will be so tall and deep that it will look like a flat screen T.V. Box. Some of the larger Lian Li cases in my opinion are already out of proportion. If they go the other route and stay with the same dimensions just shove it in bye bye cooling. I would be very careful about tricky camera shots and make sure you see any case in person before you buy.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/17 06:15:21
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To clarify two systems same set up. Same efficiency. Same Temps. Would a 1000w + 850w use less power on my bill than a 1000w + 1000w. Or is it only what you system uses thus being equal in this example. I do not care about the cost difference of the PSUs. I think I know the answer but just want to check. By the way If you are wondering why Nvidea and EVGA always tells you to get a bigger PSU than you need I think they are not looking at the watts. If they were they would just sat get a 1300w PSU. My theory is it is not really about performance either but this is tested and S-mart brand is weeded out. I think the overall reason for the list is just connections on the PSU. In other words enough connection and watts and stable power to run the cards. The reason I think this helps is the list is to rigid. It does not factor in using two 750's instead of one 1500. Some of you probably think I am stating the obvious but some reading this are completely befuddled by their list. A 1300w what works for 2 285 but not 3 but a different 1300 does why? So my school of thought is if you want to use 2 PSU's and run 3 285's find out which one runs 2 or 1 285 and use 2. But I could be wrong.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/17 08:24:45
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If it the same setup, same efficiency, same temps than the basic answer is that the power draw would be the same. There can and will always be some negligible difference because of the large number of factors that can influence power draw - but it shouldn't be anything that one needs to worry about. As for the example you made on the 1300w that runs 285s - It's based on how they market PSUs. There are companies that market a 1300w psu because it *can* put out up to 1300w - at max..... There are companies that will put out a 1300w psu because that is where it will run continuously and instead put out up to 1500w max. ( <----these numbers are just an example by the way) As for watts - you need them - but you also require amps when having to power video cards. Nvidia states the power requirements for running their cards (Ex. a GTX 285 you should have a minimum of a 550w power supply with at least 45amps on the 12v rail). The reason they say this is they take into consideration the average power draw for a typical mid-range pc. If you have a high-end PC you need to get a better PSU as is appropriate for your system. Last tidbit - If you were to build a PC using 2x power supplies - I have always heard it's best to make sure that any devices on the motherboard itself requiring power (Motherboard, expansion cards, etc) should all be powered by the same PSU. Hard drives, fans, etc not being powered by the motherboard should be on the second power supply. I *think* it has something to do with grounding - but it's been years since I was in school for that class so I'm not positive. Anyways - hopefully we're not hijacking this thread too badly.... Sorry to any other powers in the thread if it's distracting. Also - if I have posted incorrect information - please correct me! I'm trying to get back into the computing loop again!
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/17 08:28:25
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@ Skull Crusher get a gold certified PSU, look at the power envelope point where it gives max net performance, the start at round 20-50& peaks up and goes to round 85% and as it most go downhill on their performance curve of the net total power it give back, back to round 75% of its total rated w. No PSU will give you a 100% net power, so you get what ever size you need total for the PSUs+s max rated point on the power envelope. This will give you the least money spent on your power bill. The larger the PSU in total w of theoretical maximum the harder it is to do this as the power delivery down the "pipe" to your house itself fluctuates. Its the very nature of power. Look at the curve. example: http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_reports/ENERMAX_EPG900EWT_ECOS%201911_900W_Report.pdf this one you should run at round 50%, it will also give you the least noise when operated as its fan cooled. There is plenty of solutions out there. One of the best recent built PSUs are the one in MICK picture above in this thread. if you want more for a more or less recently updated complete list, of info source look up www.80.plus.org
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/18 00:35:40
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Mick64, I must say your case is amazing in all variants I have seen and I hope it all goes well with it. Anyway, like Talonman I am working on getting a eVGA 270-GT-W555 machine together, and have a $10,000 budget (though I hope to end up in under $5000 for the initial incarnation of the machine). Case: I am hoping I can get someone to make me a custom wooden case, though a Mountain Mods Extended Ascension is the backup idea. Mick64's case, as well as the others that as supposed to come out to support this board, are also options depending on when they come out and what they end up like. PSU: PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1200 ESA is my current top choice, though the ABS SL1050, and equivalent, offers decent performance at much lower costs. I am currently limited in terms of total power available so something beefier is not an option. Given that a bad PSU gave me tons of trouble with my 1st computer, ended up frying the mother board, and taking out two hard drives, I am leaning towrds the more proven PC Power & Cooling. Mobo: eVGA [name unknown] 270-GT-W55 CPU: My first pick would be one or two unlocked X5650's, X5660's, or X5680's; Given that that is unlikely, if I can find a good deal on a locked X5650, X5660, or X5680, I would take that. If that does not martialize I would go with a W5520 and bide my time. CPU Cooler: I'll start air cooled with a yet to be determined heat sink, with one or two Delta AFB1212SHE strapped to it. I plan to switch to water cooling and currently I am eyeing the Swiftech Apogee XT Extreme. For radiator I am currently undecided between Quad 140's (proven better performance for noise) and Quad 120's (much better 12v fans) for the radiator. RAM: OCZ Platinum 3x2 GB 1600 MHz per CPU. Cheap, never had trouble with OCZ in the past, and this should be an easy upgrade when I have the time, money, and need. GPU: ATI RADEON HD5870. If the Nividea Geforce GTX 480/470 has equal or lower idle power consumption to the HD5870, is out by the time the W555 is, and is $600 or under I may go with that instead. SATA 1: DVD+/-RW SATA 2: Intel X25-M 80GB. May skip this depending on cost of other components. SATA 3: 2TB HDD SATA 4: 2TB HDD. For RAID 1 with SATA 3 HDD. This I may skip if it would put my over my goal budget. Estimated Cost: $3,500 to $5,000. Theoretical max budget $10,000.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
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@ SAL36864 Here is the first bit of info from some kind of "trusty" news source that I believe might be somewhere near where it could end up: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17723/1/ Geforce GTX 480 to be as hot as GTX 285 Written by Fuad Abazovic Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:16 Higher TDP, but similar noise We got some word that Nvidia's upcoming Fermi-based Geforce GTX 480 single GPU card should be as hot as the GTX 285. These are still preliminary results, as Nvidia still has to send out the final cards with the final coolers, but this looks like slightly better result that the GTX 480 that we saw at CES 2010. The TDP of the GTX 480 will end up higher than on GTX 285, but with the help of a good cooler the thermals should be very close. The noise lever should also be very comparable and the card should not end up much noisier than GTX 285. We heard numerous times that GTX 480 will end up with different cooler than the one we saw at CES 2010 and that was showed to Nvidia's loyal press at Editor Days. All in all, you won't burn your fingers on the GTX 480, but it won't be cold either.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/18 10:26:53
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@SAL36864 revolution series tested @ anandtech have a look at this one, it should be what you need, given the units tested results and what you specify in your needs, see if this one might be a option for you after you do your power saving calculator. I would go for the 1050 unit here myself If I was looking to build your machine. Its some cash more at start but a year or two if you use machine a bit and you have it back net saved. It run what you specify above and a fair bit more than what you need as well.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/18 10:45:25
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@ Mick On the EVGA needs to build a case thread on the forum here, people have come forward to suggest they can make your case design come to reality, is there a chance we or I can license the case design of you if your manufacturer does not come to reality? -IF so I think we need to act soon. Building this thing by hand will take some weeks, not that I have a clue about this topic of course I somehow believe we have just about one month to go or so. I would not be surprised if EVGA launched this board together with the launch date of Intels new CPU line. What other board could show of the awesome power of that CPU line than this motherboard. Thats my logic behind my thinking anyhow.
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/18 12:35:08
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@The-Hunter: PSU: The Enermax Revolution 85+ was one of the PSU's I was considering, the ABS SL1050 I listed is nearly identical but offered at a cheaper price ($240 and $200 respectively). The PC Power & Cooling is more expensive ($500), and less efficient, particularly at very low usage, but is has a much longer warranty (7 vs 3 years), is more reliable, and is designed to meet more demanding professional/industrial needs than the Revolution and SL1050. There was also an issue with compatibility between the Revolution and one of the classified boards so I am slightly hesitant to get something that shares its internals (I would be interested to know if the issues were solved).
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Re:All EVGA dual-socket 270-GT-W555 system builders, are invited to get specific...
2010/02/19 14:03:00
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Star measuring your cases :). I took photo of this dual CPU baby (made from above) put it into AutoCAD and knowing that LGA 1366 socket mounting holes are 80mm wide I calibrated an image and then I measured motherboard dimensions :). Decimal accuracy is no less then 1mm :). Check this link: http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/sac3Db It probably will have EEATX (XLATX) length (347mm) and smth between EEATX and WATX width.
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2010/02/20 05:07:39
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Hey KONAn I measured the diminsions here and I can confirm that this board will fit into a Corsair Oblivion 800D already sitting on my desk! (depending on this latest measurements) It's about 48/49mm from the middle of the left hole to the boards extends. And there is still 3mm space. Hope this helps. And they don't come up with something bigger
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