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2017/01/01 06:38:03 (permalink)
Hey guys and Happy New Year. I have a question. I have a 8 gig 1080 pascal, Founders Edition. With a Alienware Graphics Amplifier. Gaming on a laptop. btw my cpu i7 6820HK running at about 3.9 ghz
 
I also have one of these....(file attached) its a 6pin-to-8pin (6+2) video cable adaptor. My question is do i need to use that for my video card? Or not? I was using it for quite sometime. Then was told via online that its not needed, I would basically connect my 2 PCIE 6pin cables  (comming from my psu) into each end of the 6 pin adapter its self, and then connect the 8 pin end into my video card. 
Do i need to do this?
 
 
I have tried both methods, from what i know, the card seems to run the same during both methods...
 
 
Another issues i have, and please let me know if this is normal. I am running Watchdogs 2, Only at 1360 x 768, with my video settings maxed to the tits excluding shadows down to LOW im getting bad fps like i mean average of 39. and i thought i had a very good video card upgrading to the 1080 THis is even with the card overclocked. at 190 mhz. I have updated to latest version of my video card and i have grabbed the amplifier updates. Why cant i run watch dogs at a stable  60, LIke i said i am running at a low resolution!!!! Please help thanks! 
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/01 06:56:33 (permalink)
    Yes, the 2nd method you mentioned would be preferred.  2 6pins from your PSU to the 8 pin adapter to your GPU.
     
    You're getting bad FPS becuase of such a low resolution.  More than likely your CPU can't keep up with the GPU at that res, so the GPU has to sit around waiting for instructions.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/01 07:20:11 (permalink)
    wow so resolution this entire time, Its because im playing on a 32 inch curtis tv that i think only supports that low of resolution!!!! yes its a crappy tv!! Ill have to upgrade, in the mean time ill play on my laptop screen because its supports 4k! What resolution MINIMUM should i run on to get a good stable fps.. 1920 X 1080? matches my desktop....Is that good enough???\
     
     
    btw 4 k lags really bad so that wont work
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/01 07:28:43 (permalink)
    1920x1080 would be minimum, but these 1080's are geared more for 1440 and will play decent even higher...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/01 16:55:34 (permalink)
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    More than likely your CPU can't keep up with the GPU at that res, so the GPU has to sit around waiting for instructions.

    Uh, that's not how that works at all. You get the highest FPS possible at low resolution, it can only go down from there.
     
    To OP, you should run a benchmark (I'd suggest https://unigine.com/en/products/benchmarks/valley or 3dMark) so you can see how the card is performing compared to what it should be doing. For WD2 specifically, look through the Nvidia performance guide: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/watch-dogs-2-graphics-and-performance-guide If I had to guess I'd say you probably have AA turned up too high (also enable temporal filtering).
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/01 17:04:34 (permalink)
    xXxexpertxXx have you ever Folded on your Alienware Graphics Amplifier?

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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/02 21:19:40 (permalink)
    #1 You don't need the power adapter if your psu has a 6+2 available.
    #2 You should definitely be getting more than 39 fps with the specs you have listed.
    #3 It sounds like your cpu or gpu is throttling. Check and make sure your cpu & gpu are running at advertised speeds while you're gaming.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 06:55:10 (permalink)
    It feels like im not using my 1080 at the max performance like it should be! I have played The Witcher 3 and im siting at 60 fps! with max settings! But Watch Dogs 2 doesnt want to show good fps. What is throttling? is that like bottlenecking? Where the GPU throttles at a low performance? I have AA maxed and dont think i have temporal Flitering on! But will make those changes and let you guys know how it works!
     
     
     
     
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    More than likely your CPU can't keep up with the GPU at that res, so the GPU has to sit around waiting for instructions.

    Uh, that's not how that works at all. You get the highest FPS possible at low resolution, it can only go down from there.
     
    To OP, you should run a benchmark (I'd suggest https://unigine.com/en/products/benchmarks/valley or 3dMark) so you can see how the card is performing compared to what it should be doing. For WD2 specifically, look through the Nvidia performance guide: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/watch-dogs-2-graphics-and-performance-guide If I had to guess I'd say you probably have AA turned up too high (also enable temporal filtering).




     
    im going to do that now and post back the results? are their scores to compare? so i know what i SHOULD me getting? Ill post them here and you can tell me if they are Correct! 
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 07:38:20 (permalink)
    So i did the test, How ever the minimum FPS throws it all off, First of all during the scenes my lowest FPS was 60! (From what i saw) Which was during scene 11 when it was raining!. My settings were set at Extreme HD! and AA was at 8 during the benchmark! The minimum FPS was due to the fact that during scene transitions! From 1 scene to another, The fps dropped when the scene changed!!! Just so you guys know, and my GPU is overclocked u can see the mhz in the screenshot.
    According to the Score u see.. am i getting best results for my video card??
     

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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 10:48:55 (permalink)
    @ "siting at 60 fps" In NVIDIA Control Panel do you have V-Sync set to on or in the game do you V-Sync set to yes?

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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 14:13:43 (permalink)
    You can compare scores with reviews, like so: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2016/06/15/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ftw-review/17
    Run it again with no AA and see if you get around 6000.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 15:02:15 (permalink)
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    xXxexpertxXx have you ever Folded on your Alienware Graphics Amplifier?




     
    folded? What do u mean??????
     
     
     
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    You can compare scores with reviews, like so: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2016/06/15/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ftw-review/17
    Run it again with no AA and see if you get around 6000.


     
     
     
    Going to try that now! will post back!
     
     
     
     
    came back with like 3100 score..... What happens tho is when it transitions to the next scene the fps drops down to like 4! will that affect score? 18 scenes, and 18 times the fps drops to below 10......... Only does this between each scene, the moment the scene shows up back up to high fps....
     
     
    PS: and i still have the ADAPTER connected to the amplier as described in my first post, I did have someone saying to leave it while others say i dont need it, Will it make a difference tho on performance? Should i remove it or what...
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 15:35:19 (permalink)
    Never mind about "folded? What do u mean??????"
    What about the NVIDIA Control Panel do you have V-Sync set to on or in the game do you V-Sync set to yes?

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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 16:04:15 (permalink)
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    Never mind about "folded? What do u mean??????"
    What about the NVIDIA Control Panel do you have V-Sync set to on or in the game do you V-Sync set to yes?




     
    i did have it enabled yes in Nvidia control panel.
     
    not trying to get higher then 60 just want 60 minimum on watch dogs and i should be getting that easily. as well as my score for benchmark seems low!
     
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/07 18:47:47 (permalink)
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    Never mind about "folded? What do u mean??????"
    What about the NVIDIA Control Panel do you have V-Sync set to on or in the game do you V-Sync set to yes?


    i did have it enabled yes in Nvidia control panel.
     
    not trying to get higher then 60 just want 60 minimum on watch dogs and i should be getting that easily. as well as my score for benchmark seems low!

    If you want your benchmark results to mean anything so that you can compare them to other benchmark results, you need to disable the vsync when benchmarking.  Now, give us some new benchmark numbers while vsync is disabled.

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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/14 08:13:06 (permalink)
    I did another benchmark and it looks like its locking its self at 97 fps because its flickering at 97. Vsync is OFF. even if i put the quality to LOW! it still remains at 97 (flickering its self at  96 and 97 quickly.....)........
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/14 13:26:50 (permalink)
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    I did another benchmark and it looks like its locking its self at 97 fps because its flickering at 97. Vsync is OFF. even if i put the quality to LOW! it still remains at 97 (flickering its self at  96 and 97 quickly.....)........


    Do #2 listed here to see if it helps resolve the issue.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/20 16:58:35 (permalink)
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    I did another benchmark and it looks like its locking its self at 97 fps because its flickering at 97. Vsync is OFF. even if i put the quality to LOW! it still remains at 97 (flickering its self at  96 and 97 quickly.....)........


    Do #2 listed here to see if it helps resolve the issue.




     
    I did that and when i got back in to do a benchmark, It immediately  showed 150ish FPS!. for the duration of the benchmark, Afterwards i closed it, and thereafter its back down again, only showing 97 fps again. No matter how many times i restart my computer its showing just 97 now.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/20 17:05:52 (permalink)
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    I did another benchmark and it looks like its locking its self at 97 fps because its flickering at 97. Vsync is OFF. even if i put the quality to LOW! it still remains at 97 (flickering its self at  96 and 97 quickly.....)........


    Do #2 listed here to see if it helps resolve the issue.




     
    I did that and when i got back in to do a benchmark, It immediately  showed 150ish FPS!. for the duration of the benchmark, Afterwards i closed it, and thereafter its back down again, only showing 97 fps again. No matter how many times i restart my computer its showing just 97 now.


    Sounds like you have some frame limiting software running in the background, or you have v-sync enabled somewhere. Under global settings inside the nvidia control panel make sure vertical sync is set to disabled, also make sure v-sync is disabled inside the benchmark settings.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/21 07:21:59 (permalink)
    Ok so i am still currently using the adapter as explaine in my first Post! Should i stop using it and just plug one PCIE connector in or NOT? getting different answers....
     
     
    The only 2 things i changed in the Control Panel of Nvidia was, 
    VSYN - Off
    Power Managment Mode - Perfer Maximum Performance
     
     
    I cant seem to get the 150 fps i just got after reinstalling my drivers. I got it once, how ever no matter what i do cant ever seem to get back to that again even after reinstalling again.....
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/21 13:56:59 (permalink)
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    Ok so i am still currently using the adapter as explaine in my first Post! Should i stop using it and just plug one PCIE connector in or NOT?

    Yes, remove the adapter and use a single 6+2 cable.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/27 05:41:50 (permalink)
    done this, still bad fps on watch dogs and division.... The one time i got 150 fps in Valley benchmark but thats it cant ever get that again
     
    also whats better to use, The Evga precision x OC or afterburner....
     
    also while reading and doing some research, Its apperently been determined that i need to download the M drivers for "NoteBooks" which i havnt done. Assuming because its a VIDEO card for a desktop i just downloaded those drivers. Should i maybe try doing STEP 2 displayed on that website again that was given by a previous poster, and instead go for the M drivers????
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/27 11:32:52 (permalink)
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    done this, still bad fps on watch dogs and division.... The one time i got 150 fps in Valley benchmark but thats it cant ever get that again
     
    also whats better to use, The Evga precision x OC or afterburner....
     
    also while reading and doing some research, Its apperently been determined that i need to download the M drivers for "NoteBooks" which i havnt done. Assuming because its a VIDEO card for a desktop i just downloaded those drivers. Should i maybe try doing STEP 2 displayed on that website again that was given by a previous poster, and instead go for the M drivers????


    No. Try running heaven 4.0 with the following settings... 
     

     
    Post your results after completing the benchmark.
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/01/28 07:54:43 (permalink)
    i installed the M Drivers, same results. I will revert back to original one...
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/02/04 05:51:37 (permalink)
    think i may of gotten everything to work?.... Someone told me connect a HDMI cable from my video card to my laptop. I did so, and opened up the division, With every single setting maxed iout as far as they can go including shadows too. With smooth gameplay, But didnt have the FPS enabled. so didnt check fps, I know what good performance is when see it, Super Smooth. it sure felt like 60 fps. Will reveal the actually FPS shortly, Btw was running The Division at 1920.
     
    Before, all i had was this connected....
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    This is the only cord i had running from my amplifier to my laptop.. Then i added the HDMI from my (VIDEO CARD *at the back of the amplifier*) to my laptop. Im still a bit nervious to check benchmarks and ingame fps tho.. But from what i know The Division is smooth as well with everything maxed not a single studder or lag spike at all.
     
     
     
     
    PS: i went onto Watch Dogs and i noticed the performance is alot better. The  camera movment feels like 40 fps tho. It is better!.... From my research. The Division is ALOT more demanding then watch dogs, And like i said up above, The Division is at max settings, running 100% smooth, Whereas watch dgos is only 80% smooth, So maybe its not my video card then...... What is a game i can buy/download right now that has crazy demanding graphics?? Going to try The Witcher Wild Hunt shortly...
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/04/08 06:48:49 (permalink)
    So it turns out it was my monitor after all. My laptop Monitor is 60hz max. I purchased a gaming monitor to connect to my Videocard/Graphics amplifier. which is 144 hz, 1 ms response. at 2k.
     
    When using my laptop monitor - fps avg 60 to 95ish - Valley benchmark score = 3000
    When using my new display monitor - im averaging 140ish..  - Valley Benchmark Score = 5800 +
     
     
    turns out it was my monitor all along!
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/04/08 12:08:57 (permalink)
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    So it turns out it was my monitor after all. My laptop Monitor is 60hz max. I purchased a gaming monitor to connect to my Videocard/Graphics amplifier. which is 144 hz, 1 ms response. at 2k.
     
    When using my laptop monitor - fps avg 60 to 95ish - Valley benchmark score = 3000
    When using my new display monitor - im averaging 140ish..  - Valley Benchmark Score = 5800 +
     
     
    turns out it was my monitor all along!



     
     
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    Re: Alienware graphics amplifier/1080 pascal 2017/04/10 19:29:57 (permalink)
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    So it turns out it was my monitor after all. My laptop Monitor is 60hz max. I purchased a gaming monitor to connect to my Videocard/Graphics amplifier. which is 144 hz, 1 ms response. at 2k.
     
    When using my laptop monitor - fps avg 60 to 95ish - Valley benchmark score = 3000
    When using my new display monitor - im averaging 140ish..  - Valley Benchmark Score = 5800 +
     
     
    turns out it was my monitor all along!


    That's interesting. I've owned a few alienware laptops myself, and none of the screens capped my fps when running valley benchmark with v-sync disabled. Glad your issue is finally resolved.
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