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Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case

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2016/05/31 12:50:16 (permalink)
Hi guys,
 
Should I even consider any of the ACX based cards for my silverstone ft02? I'm incredibly happy with the case and not ready to dump it and go to water cooling quite yet on this machine.
 
Single card, 1440 gaming (Division, MMOs and RPGs) and likely only mild OC are my interests. This box is is going from an old 680SC to a 1080 for the new monitor (1440). GPU is the last piece to upgrade for this machine.
 
EDIT: Mostly know the answer to this one, just hoping to feel more confident about it since I have never used any of the ACX designs.
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    Re: Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case 2016/05/31 14:11:21 (permalink)
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    Hi guys,
     
    Should I even consider any of the ACX based cards for my silverstone ft02? I'm incredibly happy with the case and not ready to dump it and go to water cooling quite yet on this machine.
     
    Single card, 1440 gaming (Division, MMOs and RPGs) and likely only mild OC are my interests. This box is is going from an old 680SC to a 1080 for the new monitor (1440). GPU is the last piece to upgrade for this machine.
     
    EDIT: Mostly know the answer to this one, just hoping to feel more confident about it since I have never used any of the ACX designs.

    I have the FT02 it's no different from your normal case layout, it's just at a 90 degree angle. The only issue I had with that case is that tight spacing, even though I did a pretty good job with cable management as if it didn't have any....Now I see why you're asking the question, because those ACX blows hot air all over the case and the FT02 only has (1x) 120mm @ top as exhaust with only (3x) 180mm AP's @ the bottom as intake, when I had my FT02 setup @ the time I used (2x) EVGA GTX 670's "back blowers" and with those (3x) 180mm AP's it really helped my GPU's, depending on the games and room temperature it always read between 40c @ highest 50c and in the case in the 20's-30's at all times. I still love that FT02 case, but I had to go with the Corsair 760T and I'm lovin' it.
     
    I believe if it's just a single card you shouldn't have a problem and (1x) GTX 1080 should do @ 1440, hope this info helped a little, sorry for not having the answer...Good Luck with your decision.
     
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    Re: Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case 2016/05/31 14:24:43 (permalink)
    Yep, you got it exactly. The case works great for blowers obviously but the card restrictions seem tightened to the point of rethinking the case this gen. Those huge fans on the bottom pulling in all that cool floor air and blasting the hot out the top just works fantastically.
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    Re: Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case 2016/05/31 15:41:49 (permalink)
    I've been wondering about the exact same thing as OP.
     
    What I've gathered from reading a few topics about the same question about non-blower coolers in FT02-style setup, is that the effectiveness of coolers like ACX3.0 may depend on heat pipe orientation, orientation of fins and the wick inside the heat pipes.
     
    Heat pipe orientation determines how gravity could influence the evaporation/condensation process in the pipes (where the liquid phase is most likely to end up). The fins can be either oriented along the airflow or perpendicular to it, obviously influencing the airflow in some areas. The wick is a fine structure inside the heat pipes which aides the liquid phase getting back to the heat source, this help the liquid overcome gravity by the capillary action. The presence and type of wick differs between vendors.
     
    A lot of different reports on this topic, some say it makes no difference, others say it can or will ruin cooling performance. My GTX 570's are tired so I just ordered an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW and will have to wait and see what the ACX3.0 can do in 90 degree rotated orientation. I can always rotate my case... 

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    Re: Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case 2016/05/31 16:02:56 (permalink)
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    I've been wondering about the exact same thing as OP.
     
    What I've gathered from reading a few topics about the same question about non-blower coolers in FT02-style setup, is that the effectiveness of coolers like ACX3.0 may depend on heat pipe orientation, orientation of fins and the wick inside the heat pipes.
     
    Heat pipe orientation determines how gravity could influence the evaporation/condensation process in the pipes (where the liquid phase is most likely to end up). The fins can be either oriented along the airflow or perpendicular to it, obviously influencing the airflow in some areas. The wick is a fine structure inside the heat pipes which aides the liquid phase getting back to the heat source, this help the liquid overcome gravity by the capillary action. The presence and type of wick differs between vendors.
     
    A lot of different reports on this topic, some say it makes no difference, others say it can or will ruin cooling performance. My GTX 570's are tired so I just ordered an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW and will have to wait and see what the ACX3.0 can do in 90 degree rotated orientation. I can always rotate my case... 




    I'd love to hear about your experience once it's in Lucid and you've had some time to test it. Like you, I've found nothing but disagreements so far. I think I'm going with a hybrid this gen (so I probably have some time to wait) and will work something out for the rad.
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    Re: Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case 2016/06/01 02:46:40 (permalink)
    I will run some tests with my setup in normal FT02 orientation compared to having the case on its front side, so with the GPU in traditional orientation. Will post the results once I got them.
     
    I placed a pre-order for the FTW edition in the EVGA shop on May 28, one day after release if I'm correct. Anybody have experience with EVGA pre-orders, if they are shipped for delivery on the "release date", June 17? Or if some delays can be expected due to limited availability at release?
     
    First time for me pre-ordering a GPU before having read reviews, and first time going for the top-tier GPU. I went for 8800GTS instead of 8800GTX and GTX570 instead of GTX580, both EVGA btw, but I've been waiting too long for this upgrade to be cautious. 
     
    Edit:
    My 1080 FTW arrived late last week, didn't have a lot of time for gaming and benching over the weekend but from what I've seen the temperatures are pretty good (50-60degC in Witcher 3) so I don't think the orientation is posing a problem. Will try to rotate my case later this week for some benchmarks!
    post edited by LucidWaker - 2016/07/18 05:10:57

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    Re: Advice on the cooler config (ACX vs Blower) for a 90 degree case 2016/07/29 10:37:31 (permalink)
    Sorry to necro an old thread. I got tired of waiting and took the plunge. I ordered a 1070 FTW with the goal of getting me to a gen of cards/monitors with a high end single card solution for 4k+60 gaming.
     
    tldr; A single ACX cooler card seems to run fine in a fortress without any OC and seems to have plenty of thermal room. I'll update if I have any overheating issues and maybe after a long game session.
     
    At 1920x1200 and no OC anywhere at the moment. Performance is about what I expected for doing nothing other than plugging in and booting up.
    Idles in Win10 37-45, no fans. Capped out so far both gaming (division/doom) and benchmarks at 72 with 45% fan speed. This is all set with my 3 floorplate fans pulling cool air from the bottom of the case/floor and 1 top exhaust out the top in my FT02. I have a D15 with all three fans blowing right out the top as well due to the case orientation. I also have a small/cheap desk fan that blows the hot air exhausting from the top of the case out my office door. Ambient room temp is about 74.
    Bench's below:

    Unigine Heaven Benchmark 4.0

    FPS:85.8
    Score:2160
    Min FPS:9.1
    Max FPS:176.3

    System

    Platform:Windows NT 6.2 (build 9200) 64bit
    CPU model:Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (4007MHz) x4
    GPU model:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 10.18.13.6881 (4095MB) x1

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    Render:Direct3D11
    Mode:1920x1200 8xAA fullscreen
    PresetCustom
    QualityUltra
    Tessellation:Extreme
     
     
    3dMark does not recognize the card yet so it's at a generic VGA.
    Time Spy was 5901, 5946 Graphics and 5572 CPU.
    Firestrike was 15613, graphics 18663 and CPU 14207.
    post edited by JWeimer - 2016/07/29 10:40:33

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