sinned.
We have had a plug in for language the last I think 4 events it has had to be constantly tweeked because some words that we let fly were getting flagged. The only way anyone got warned manually is if they tried to skirt it. I for one would split the PTC and FEEC guys up but that got taken away. We are trying to build this back and constructive criticism is the way to go about it. Attacking over and over and pushing the limits was and is not the way to go about it. This is turning out to be the best thread EGC section has had in a very long time.

Why split people up when there are only 2-3 of them? Its hardly stacking if there isn't even a squad full.

Only moved when there were 8-10 on a side never when there were 3 or 4.

EVGATech_ChristianB

XrayMan
 
Not funny.                   

admit it, you laughed a little...even for just a millisecond 

Ok, for a millisecond.         

Pitfighter
Instead of kicking or bans, do any EGC admins use the kill command at all?

I've kicked and banned my share of players years ago but found the kill command to be effective without it affecting the targeted players' stats. The players end up being less emotional too.

As for that ProCon Language Enforcer plugin, I used it for a week and it gave me nothing but headaches. It caused my server ranking to plummet and players bailed out of the server in droves.

EVGA can keep tweaking that plugin all they want but nothing beats using the kill or kick command yourself when some pugnacious player throws out racist vitriol in the server.

But there can't be an Admin in the server at all times. That would be virtually impossible.

Pitfighter


You are correct, XRayman.

I came across this dilemma several times, which necessitated an "all or nothing" approach.

Interestingly enough, when I ditched Language Enforcer and the server filled up again, the server stayed full for several hours every day. Sure, peeps cried about the hackers, racists, and homophobes, but no one was leaving the server. I would just start flushing the bad apples down the toilet when I had free time. 😜

When i play on official servers or other community BF4 servers, you don't see people cussing up a storm or saying racist remarks very often. People that say racist remarks are trying to get attention, if you ignore them, they tend to shut up or leave the server (official servers).
 
EVGA gaming changed in 2014, evga forced all the game servers to be PG rated, i don't know if the same rule applies to evga official discord server or not. If it does, violence is screwed.
 
  
 
 

Most of the servers that I play on regularly (TBG) have a language enforcer that is only tweaked for racist/religious hate remarks - but general curse words are not targeted.  The way they work is that anyone that gets popped for those remarks is not warned but immediately kicked/banned.  Sometimes (rarely) the system will pop someone for a misspelling or something where they can go to the forum and request to be un-banned.  However they have their system set up works VERY well and for the most part there aren't ever any issues on those servers.  If there is usually one of the regulars is recording and submits it on the forum and that person is banned.
 
I'm not complaining about the language system - I'm just saying it might be helpful to contact one of those folks to get some tips on tweaking these servers...  Their servers stay full so they obviously know what they're doing.

MSim
i don't know if the same rule applies to evga official discord server or not. If it does, violence is screwed.

Yes, we have the same rules for our Discord server 

^ This. :) As a corporate entity, they are held to a higher standard than just a clan/individual renting a server. 

If you guys are referring to me, when you say, "just some guy", or, "just a clan/individual", well believe it or not the policies I've had in my servers had similarities to those of EVGA, such as no racism, no homophobia, no hate speech, no politics, etc.

In the servers I had run, I installed Metabans and saw it fit to subscribe/follow BizSar's account.

Yes! BizSar does have a Metabans account!! :)

This meant that whoever BizSar banned in EVGA servers, those bans took effect in mine as well!

DMIINC
/snip
EGC = EVGA Gaming Community last time I checked. Thank you EVGA for your support in renting server space for us gamers. You do more for this community then most other companies.
 
However, in the years past we were left alone to administer servers and community grew quite a bit in one year. Same players gathered on the servers and voice chat night after night and it was quite enjoyable to play with you all. Occasional hackers, spammers, bigots, etc… were dealt with quickly and nothing would get out of control. Our input as EGC admins was always taken seriously in regards to rules (which there was not many), server positions across US and new gamers being accepted as admins. Something changed……….. When we go to play we want to feel free and not feel like we have corporate/congressional oversight on top of us. We get that at work all day long. This goes for both admins and players. Trying to enforce every rule and trying to make everyone happy will never work. Such things cannot be accomplished. Sometimes decisions have to be made depending on the mood of the server in that particular time. Admins should assess situation on the server before making any decisions. What I am trying to say is, we had good time and everything else took care of itself.  
 
/snip

Pitfighter
If you guys are referring to me, when you say, "just some guy", or, "just a clan/individual", well believe it or not the policies I've had in my servers had similarities to those of EVGA, such as no racism, no homophobia, no hate speech, no politics, etc.

In the servers I had run, I installed Metabans and saw it fit to subscribe/follow BizSar's account.

Yes! BizSar does have a Metabans account!! :)

This meant that whoever BizSar banned in EVGA servers, those bans took effect in mine as well!

Hi, nope, I wasn't referring to you. Just servers in general. :) 
 
Yup, I've had a Metabans account now for many, many years and used it for EVGA when I came on board with them a few years ago. We eventually setup EVGA with their own account and the servers are tied to it to avoid confusion. I subscribed to and from it as well so that my built up followers should have propagation from EVGA and vice versa, although I'm personally not sending a feed at this time.
Thanks for the follow! :)
 
I just wish people would focus on using in-game chat, etc. for the GAME, not their own agendas or vindictiveness on EVGA servers. It would make things so much easier, FUN, and more pleasant for everyone involved.
 
Yes, there was a language enforcement plug-in we added. We knew full well what that entailed going into it. Not the first rodeo by far for a few of us. There is almost constant tweaking, etc., but it is worth it when you want to maintain a certain decorum 24/7 (remember: corporate entity) when admins aren't necessarily available. We all know the game is rated 'M' and what that means. It doesn't matter in this case. You have a company that provides game servers, VOIP, admins that are fellow gamers, and even decent prizes coupled with fun events. It's a small thing to ask that the chat be kept at a PG/civil level focused on the game, and any feedback from players be constructive and civil. There are many entities (other corporations, LAN parties, clans, etc.) that rent servers for gamers that wish to insure players have a great time, while observing some rules about swearing, racism, etc. It is far from rare, as Pitfighter illustrates.
 
Yes *GASP* admins are human and make mistakes. If you are punished in any way (even by mistake) you can appeal it by sending an e-mail to EGC@EVGA.com. It happens. If it's a mistake, we'll fix it. Nothing is achieved without failure or mistakes. No need to read any further into it than that. No need to do any more than that. We're not out to "get" anyone. We're not out to "flex" our admin "muscle" EVER. ALL of the admins are focused on making sure everyone has a good time while insuring everyone follows the relatively few rules EVGA sets for all of us. ALL of the game admins (including myself), with Christian and a few other EVGA folks being the exception, are volunteers. 
 
I think it's time we turn a corner, recognize what the admins are trying to do, who/what they are, the time they put in, and focus on having a good time playing a game we all love together. The past is in the past. Let's learn and grow from our experiences, and move forward as fellow gamers, growing the EGC community in the process.

EVGATech_ChristianB

MSim
i don't know if the same rule applies to evga official discord server or not. If it does, violence is screwed.

Yes, we have the same rules for our Discord server 

 
I just be careful who's in the channel lol. haters

fearpoint
EVGA renting game servers as a big well known company also is held under a different standard than just some guy. 
 
Servers have been becoming better over the years not worse in my view.

What changes in the past 2 years made things better in your opinion? 
 
 

BizSAR

Pitfighter
If you guys are referring to me, when you say, "just some guy", or, "just a clan/individual", well believe it or not the policies I've had in my servers had similarities to those of EVGA, such as no racism, no homophobia, no hate speech, no politics, etc.

In the servers I had run, I installed Metabans and saw it fit to subscribe/follow BizSar's account.

Yes! BizSar does have a Metabans account!! :)

This meant that whoever BizSar banned in EVGA servers, those bans took effect in mine as well!

Hi, nope, I wasn't referring to you. Just servers in general. :) 
 
Thanks for the follow! :)
 
 
Yes *GASP* admins are human and make mistakes.

BizSar, I am glad to follow! :)

As for admin humanly mistakes, I've made my share and seen admins in my old servers do noob admin decisions of their own. We even had admins bickering over how and when rules need to be enforced.

I had PBBANS and GGC networked into the servers to ban hackers, and this too was a source of drama, as some of my former admins felt that we were too fixated on catching cheats. It didn't matter that I had a server that was populated around the clock, catching cheats automatically was too much for them!

So, as I can attest, EVGA's server related drama afflicts other gaming organizations also.

Anyway,I have started to help seed your BF4 NJ server, which I guess is where the action is? Or is it the LA server?

My playername is Pitbruiser and I tend to go AFK for hours when seeding.

stalinx20
EVGA contributing to have the servers up and running is one thing, being a Video Card company and all.

And the ones "administrating" the servers are another. Let's not forget that. *No*, I am not insinuating anything with that statement other than EVGA allows certain people to administer and oversee the game. Again, it's another topic that has nothing to do with EVGA running the servers, to an extent. We all know that.
 
BF1 related: What I suggest (and propose) is actually letting your gaming community vote on who to allow being the administrator(s) for a certain time frame (say 6 months) and if they're doing good work, let the community vote again on that person. This will allow you (EVGA) to see if the community is content and happy with how things are going within BF1. Whoever gets the win(s) becomes admin.
 
What do you (EVGA) have to lose other than having your gaming community remain happy?

That is how the EGC was started. We got sick of how things were being managed. We had a meeting with Joe Darwin, Jacob and Agent Tiny on evga old chat to create EGC. Do i think that's possible again, doubt it.
 
If veterans of EGC want things to be like old times, i think it would need to be on voice and game servers not controlled by evga. I know some of us like to talk about all kinds of things on voice chat, link to stuff to each other and say few bad words once in awhile when we die in-game. We shouldn't have to walk on eggshells to have fun and play together.