Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2015/08/07 14:39:36
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Watch this and educate yourselves: TL:DW ASIC scores are related to the ICs ability to do the same amount of work with a varying degree of voltage. Higher ASICs have less voltage leakage, Lower ASICs have more. This does not necessarily mean that you can overclock more or less with one or the other unless under extreme circumstances (I.E. LN2) A card with higher ASIC may boost higher naturally than a lower ASIC card simply because of the voltage efficiency, but only slightly. Cards with lower ASIC scores can reach the same clocks as higher ASIC scores, they just require more voltage and will run hotter as well. My personal opinion varies slightly from Jayztwocents' here, but the difference is negligible at best under most circumstances. EVGA is binning the Kingpin 980ti's to better suit what the card was built for, extreme overclocking (LN2)
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2015/08/08 01:51:19
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MaelstromOC Watch this and educate yourselves: TL:DW ASIC scores are related to the ICs ability to do the same amount of work with a varying degree of voltage. Higher ASICs have less voltage leakage, Lower ASICs have more. This does not necessarily mean that you can overclock more or less with one or the other unless under extreme circumstances (I.E. LN2) A card with higher ASIC may boost higher naturally than a lower ASIC card simply because of the voltage efficiency, but only slightly. Cards with lower ASIC scores can reach the same clocks as higher ASIC scores, they just require more voltage and will run hotter as well. My personal opinion varies slightly from Jayztwocents' here, but the difference is negligible at best under most circumstances. EVGA is binning the Kingpin 980ti's to better suit what the card was built for, extreme overclocking (LN2)
Watched this video yesterday, it clarified a lot of things for me after reading countless of rumors and contradicting facts on several forums. It seems like ASIC is not so important, but that depends. Running a moderately oc'd gpu cooler is always a plus for everyone. Also, here in Europe, electricity prices are a lot more expensive than in Usa. I have an ASIC of 69,7%, sometimes because of those reasons I wish I had a higher %, but it is still average I guess. My boost clock out of the box was ridiculous though, 1189 Mhz only.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2015/08/08 02:27:56
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Mine has a 81.7% ASIC , this runs cool and quiet. In fact I cannot really hear it even in Firestrike!
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 12:44:49
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stalinx20 No. It doesn't matter.
Oh yes it does. I am building a 3 way EVGA GTX 980ti, Z170 Classified extreme water system and have worked with now 4 980ti SC ACX 2.0 4993's. 1 ASIC 63.2 popped while doing a 3 way SLI Firestrike test. (there was actually a hole in the GPU) 2 ASIC 78.9 EVGA warranty replacement w/ samsung memory max 1550/4100 (Will run @ 1550/4200 but seeing green stripes) 3 ASIC 77.8 Bought this one at Frys with #1 above w/ Hynix memory 1550/4000 stable (Run 4c to 5c hotter than #2 with same exact cooling but never gets over 40c) 4 ASIC 72.5 Bought this one from Newegg w/ Hynix memory max 1520/3800 ( Temps run between #2 and #3) Bad part about doing a multi GPU system is your limited to the weakest GPU, but disabling cards with the PCI-e switch was great. Firestrike scores Z170 @ 5 GHz 3333 MHz memory Adaptive voltage .225 offset ( Will Boot at 5.1GHz but will not pass Prime 95) Single GPU #2 above Slot 1 1550/4200 Score 18331 Two Way SLI #2 Slot 1 #3 Slot 4 1550/4000 Score 25580 Three way SLI #2 Slot 1 #4 Slot 2 #3 Slot 4 1520/ 3800 Score 28000 Slot 1 and 4 in two way SLI IS just slightly faster than Slot 1 and 2 @ 1520/3800.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 13:04:01
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Resurrected this post huh?
Well, if you want to get technical, sure it does make a slight difference. So, unless you're benchmarking or something, it really doesn't make enough of a difference to mean a whole lot, unless you get a completely trash card and a golden card, then I'd be sad lol.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 13:07:48
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Maybe we should rename the Forum from EVGA to the Walking Dead Forum
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 14:51:16
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I saw a 92% K|ngp|n while sorting them out one day. I was REALLY tempted to throw money at it, but couldn't quite afford it :(
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 15:42:40
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EVGATech_BrandonS I saw a 92% K|ngp|n while sorting them out one day. I was REALLY tempted to throw money at it, but couldn't quite afford it :(
I feel you... must be thrilling to be that close to the source :P
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 15:57:28
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EVGATech_BrandonS I saw a 92% K|ngp|n while sorting them out one day. I was REALLY tempted to throw money at it, but couldn't quite afford it :(
Shield have taken out a home loan... Could have sold it on EBAY for tried stock prices.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/13 17:32:46
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980ti classified 82.1% 980ti classified 68.5%  kind of a crapshoot. probably why the guy was selling it. good thing I don't plan on overclocking anyway. im just glad to have two of them
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/14 17:43:01
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VVhiplash Wait wait... ONLY 1450??? thats just 50 mghz away... I really don't think theres much to complain about here.. Thats fantastic! I bet that card is a beast! Sure 1500 is cool, and really high grade, but I doubt its really that important when you're already so close. Some people aren't even able to get as high as 1450, I'd say thats a realy loss.
That. And is this so we can tell the whole world that you got to 1500? Or, is it because you're trying to go from 115fps to 120? And then the last question - are you actually going to be able to see the difference? No. Not that a 50 extra boost is going to give you a 5fps jump anyway, so... Not missing much here. Enjoy your card, and your good boost clock.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/14 17:49:01
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stalinx20 No. It doesn't matter.
Oh yes it does. I am building a 3 way EVGA GTX 980ti, Z170 Classified extreme water system and have worked with now 4 980ti SC ACX 2.0 4993's. 1 ASIC 63.2 popped while doing a 3 way SLI Firestrike test. (there was actually a hole in the GPU) 2 ASIC 78.9 EVGA warranty replacement w/ samsung memory max 1550/4100 (Will run @ 1550/4200 but seeing green stripes) 3 ASIC 77.8 Bought this one at Frys with #1 above w/ Hynix memory 1550/4000 stable (Run 4c to 5c hotter than #2 with same exact cooling but never gets over 40c) 4 ASIC 72.5 Bought this one from Newegg w/ Hynix memory max 1520/3800 ( Temps run between #2 and #3) Bad part about doing a multi GPU system is your limited to the weakest GPU, but disabling cards with the PCI-e switch was great. Firestrike scores Z170 @ 5 GHz 3333 MHz memory Adaptive voltage .225 offset ( Will Boot at 5.1GHz but will not pass Prime 95) Single GPU #2 above Slot 1 1550/4200 Score 18331 Two Way SLI #2 Slot 1 #3 Slot 4 1550/4000 Score 25580 Three way SLI #2 Slot 1 #4 Slot 2 #3 Slot 4 1520/ 3800 Score 28000 Slot 1 and 4 in two way SLI IS just slightly faster than Slot 1 and 2 @ 1520/3800.
It's the FPS and the input lag that matters. Not a firestrike score.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/15 11:44:09
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stalinx20 It's the FPS and the input lag that matters. Not a firestrike score.
It's NOT the FPS and the input lag that matters, stability matters. Firestrike is a stability test
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/15 11:48:45
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stalinx20 It's the FPS and the input lag that matters. Not a firestrike score.
It's NOT the FPS and the input lag that matters, stability matters. Firestrike is a stability test
Ok, keep running your tests then. Bottom line, being able to build and set up your PCs, you should be able to tell when your system is stable or not.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/15 11:53:56
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Benchmarks are well and good, but the only "real" test is playing your games. A card could run fine with valley, heaven, catzilla, firestrike, etc. Then boom- crash your pc when you load your favorite game. Just my $.02
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/03/15 11:55:55
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DeathAngel74 Benchmarks are well and good, but the only "real" test is playing your games. A card could run fine with valley, heaven, catzilla, firestrike, etc. Then boom- crash your pc when you load your favorite game. Just my $.02
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/13 19:05:08
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My ASIC is 75.9 %, and my 980 SC overclocks great. I have it at +99 for everyday, but I can bump the core up to +114 if I wanted. The memory is at +149, and I just keep it there. OC's like a champ.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/14 05:12:51
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Not that it really matters for me, but mine is 65... I can get a core of +150, and memory of +250. It doesn't choke a bit. However, I back off doing this now, and just use SLI if I want more performance. I would like my GPUs to last at least a year or 2 more.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/14 23:22:45
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stalinx20 Not that it really matters for me, but mine is 65... I can get a core of +150, and memory of +250. It doesn't choke a bit. However, I back off doing this now, and just use SLI if I want more performance. I would like my GPUs to last at least a year or 2 more.
Wow. +150 on the core? Stable? That is frikkin awesome. What good overclockers these 980s are. I just got my new Acer 28 inch 4k monitor, thinking about throwing another 980 in for sli.........I dunno. I have 1300 bucks burning a hole in my paypal!!!! I dunno if I should just sell my 980, and then pay 120 for the 980ti, or just get another 980 for my rig. Decisions, decisions.........
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/15 04:34:39
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980ti More VRAM and a much strong gpu core. The performance increase is noticeable. For 4k, you want the strongest you can afford, so my suggestion would be the 980ti.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/16 13:23:24
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stalinx20 Not that it really matters for me, but mine is 65... I can get a core of +150, and memory of +250. It doesn't choke a bit. However, I back off doing this now, and just use SLI if I want more performance. I would like my GPUs to last at least a year or 2 more.
Wow. +150 on the core? Stable? That is frikkin awesome. What good overclockers these 980s are. I just got my new Acer 28 inch 4k monitor, thinking about throwing another 980 in for sli.........I dunno. I have 1300 bucks burning a hole in my paypal!!!! I dunno if I should just sell my 980, and then pay 120 for the 980ti, or just get another 980 for my rig. Decisions, decisions.........
Thanks. I backed off doing it though -_-. Continuous overclocking on the GPU (while on air) can give it a heavy burden. So, I set it back to default, and just use SLI. Sorry. Didn't answer your question. You should sell it and get a 980TI.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/16 18:07:24
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Ya, i think im going to pull the trigger on a ti when the inevitable flood of gpus hits the market the week before pascal releases.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/17 09:55:00
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My 980 Ti Classified has ASIC quality of 67.9% and anything above 1450MHz (around plus 50-60 in MSI Afterburner) will become unstable in benchmarks (Unigine Heaven and FurMark) as well as in games (GTA:V and some others). Seems lower than most folks around here.
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Re: ASIC Quality really matters??
2016/04/17 13:41:14
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Its fine, I wouldnt stress about the asic quality. Ya, it might be a tad lower than some, but you still have an absolute beast of a card, so I wouldnt be concerned. I'll trade you my asic high gtx 980 for your asic low 980ti if you want!!!!
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