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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 13:13:20
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Im not falling for it.. their box art may be fancy, but I need to know how well the thingy in the box works. Cant wait for end user reviews.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 13:29:57
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Im not falling for it.. their box art may be fancy, but I need to know how well the thingy in the box works. Cant wait for end user reviews.
if the past is any indicator, not quite as well as the hype. sorry seen it to many time from them
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 13:34:06
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I wish amd the best, because intel needs the challenge for sure.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 15:09:52
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Heavily disappointed at the price point and PCI-e limitations.
I was hoping that AMD was going to beat intel to boards that supported NVME raid without a giant bottleneck.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 19:46:55
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Some people will by these chips so they can have the box. Human stupidity knows no bounds.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 20:19:07
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This may be AMD's last chance to be competition to Intel. For that reason alone we should support them. Stupidity would be to have one manufacturer for enthusiast desktop processors.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 21:32:18
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This may be AMD's last chance to be competition to Intel. For that reason alone we should support them. Stupidity would be to have one manufacturer for enthusiast desktop processors.
Why would I buy a inferior product for what I want, especially if similar priced? Just so a company can survive? Sorry but if a company wants to survive they have to compete with the competitors, otherwise they are simply sitting on the coat tails of sympathy. They need to be competitive and win over customers. I want competition not a company to sit there and have me feel sorry for them, or fear that they might go out of business. They aren't pushing Intel to be better, they are just asking for sympathy money. If it comes out and it competes with Intel, I will give them a look. Personally I would like to see them have a US company that makes their MOBO/GPU like EVGA is based in US for Intel/Nvidia.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 21:34:44
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AMD hasn't given me any reason to leave Intel for several years.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 22:00:21
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This may be AMD's last chance to be competition to Intel. For that reason alone we should support them. Stupidity would be to have one manufacturer for enthusiast desktop processors.
Why would I buy a inferior product for what I want, especially if similar priced? Just so a company can survive? Sorry but if a company wants to survive they have to compete with the competitors, otherwise they are simply sitting on the coat tails of sympathy. They need to be competitive and win over customers. I want competition not a company to sit there and have me feel sorry for them, or fear that they might go out of business. They aren't pushing Intel to be better, they are just asking for sympathy money. If it comes out and it competes with Intel, I will give them a look. Personally I would like to see them have a US company that makes their MOBO/GPU like EVGA is based in US for Intel/Nvidia.
I stand by my comments. BTW GloFo which spun off AMD in 2009 has 3 fabrication plants in the U.S. and headquartered in Sata Clara, CA. AMD is an American Company based in Sunnyvale, CA. It has nothing to do with sympathy IMHO
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 22:16:56
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AMD hasn't given me any reason to leave Intel for several years.
I havent really looked into them as a performance build since the barton core in a via kt400 days, i did a nf500 with a athalon x2 but that was watching the budget build. Ive only bought one other since and it was for a cheap linux server box, and that was only because i got the itx mb for free with the athalon 2 from newegg , and it was only $60 .
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/14 23:09:35
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Yea AMD really needs this CPU line up to work as good and hopefully better than all the leaked info that is out there, and im really crossing my fingers on this one.
There is a couple of reasons why.
First off is i think that if Ryzen crash and burns right after the release, i dont think that AMD will be able to survive this.
Second is that Intel really need to get a big kick in the sack, so there once again is going to be competition in the CPU marked.
And think that if all the leaks are 100% true both with performance and price, Intel will have to get out of neutral and deliver a better price to performance CPU. And not just
doing the same "small" performance upgrade and bigger prices, that they have been doing for the last decade.
So im really looking forward to this release and to see what AMD's fate is going to be, and then maybe get a AMD build again. Haven't had a AMD since my first pc, that was an AMD 1.4Ghz Thunderbird, and have had Intel every since.
So i hope that the release of Ryzen really shakes up the whole CPU marked, so its not just Intel that sits alone on the top of the mountain.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 01:03:23
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Im not falling for it.. their box art may be fancy, but I need to know how well the thingy in the box works. Cant wait for end user reviews.
100% agree with you here!!! Need proof of a good AMD product besting Intel. All I have to say right now to quiet AMD Fanboy hype is "bulldozer". I am Intel all the way but I want a little spice in my life!
As long as your popular enough, you can get away with anything.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 04:17:03
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100% agree with you here!!! Need proof of a good AMD product besting Intel. All I have to say right now to quiet AMD Fanboy hype is "bulldozer". I am Intel all the way but I want a little spice in my life!
Bulldozer wont quiet the hype, because they will instantly say "but this is a new chip, and has ddr4, and is completely different". I have my finger crossed for AMD. I wont give a sympathy vote, unless they truly deserve it.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 04:51:56
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It's a box? Why care? Not like they are making limited edition CPU's with nice fancy boxes. Then I could understand the appeal. Instead you are getting a box everybody else is getting.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 05:17:43
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Let's just hope this isn't another "Phenom" release. Everyone talks about bulldozer, but Phenom is what killed off a lot of hardcore AMD fans.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 07:26:08
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This may be AMD's last chance to be competition to Intel. For that reason alone we should support them. Stupidity would be to have one manufacturer for enthusiast desktop processors.
It's not AMD's last chance to compete with Intel. But from a marketing perspective they need to get this one right or they risk relinquishing further market share to competing companies and further degrading their credibility. It would not be stupid to have a single CPU manufacturer. It would be tragic given the resulting prices, but not stupid. AMD can't rely on fanboys to bail them out. If they want back in to the desktop market they need performance from both Ryzen and Vega, thus enticing existing Intel customers into their camp. I needed to build a new PC recently and delay after delay forced me to seek Intel and Nvidia product once again, because AMD had nothing competitive to offer. My next build might have AMD products incorporated should they offer a worthwhile product. I am supporting AMD on all fronts.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 19:11:42
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  Ryzen motherboard images are all over the web now. Here is a couple from Hardware Battle that shows a Ryzen motherboard and CPU about to undergo some LN2 treatments https://videocardz.com/65996/a-very-close-look-at-biostar-racing-x370-gt7 AMD Ryzen – no cold bug?Speaking of Ryzen, we also have a very interesting piece of information from HardwareBattle. The following photographs allegedly show Ryzen CPU being tested with liquid nitrogen on X370 Racing GT7 motherboard. If you look closely at the photograph below, you will notice a yellow multimeter, which shows temperature reading of -29C. Since the monitor is displaying Windows logo, we can assume that the system is working, and therefore, the cold bug is not present on this platform. In case you don’t know what this bug is. Cold bug is when CPU is unable to warm up fast enough to boot properly, which basically makes the whole platform unresponsive or operate at low performance. The cold bug occurs only at extremely low temperatures. It is also believed that this issue is more common on AMD CPUs. That’s why it was so important to get the first proof that Ryzen boots successfully at such a low temperature. Hopefully, this will result in more people trying to achieve higher frequencies with liquid nitrogen and breaking new records.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 19:22:45
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Unless AMD offers a 65watt,40+ PCIe lanes,trur 8core at $350 the current price for a i7, AMD with just flush their last chance to really gain anything over Intel in the desktop market.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/15 22:38:27
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I remember jumping ship from AMD back in 2003 and i never looked back, went from a Barton Athlon xp 3200+ build to the dominating at the time Northwood Pentium 4 3.2 HT. Heheh, Mabe they should stick to what they know, Consoles.....
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/16 08:47:26
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I remember jumping ship from AMD back in 2003 and i never looked back, went from a Barton Athlon xp 3200+ build to the dominating at the time Northwood Pentium 4 3.2 HT. Heheh, Mabe they should stick to what they know, Consoles.....
Sure, let them relinquish the whole market to Intel and Nvidia so we can all pay $1000 per component regardless of performance. Stick to what you know.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/16 22:27:11
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This may be AMD's last chance to be competition to Intel. For that reason alone we should support them. Stupidity would be to have one manufacturer for enthusiast desktop processors.
Why would I buy a inferior product for what I want, especially if similar priced? Just so a company can survive? Sorry but if a company wants to survive they have to compete with the competitors, otherwise they are simply sitting on the coat tails of sympathy. They need to be competitive and win over customers. I want competition not a company to sit there and have me feel sorry for them, or fear that they might go out of business. They aren't pushing Intel to be better, they are just asking for sympathy money. If it comes out and it competes with Intel, I will give them a look. Personally I would like to see them have a US company that makes their MOBO/GPU like EVGA is based in US for Intel/Nvidia.
I stand by my comments. BTW GloFo which spun off AMD in 2009 has 3 fabrication plants in the U.S. and headquartered in Sata Clara, CA. AMD is an American Company based in Sunnyvale, CA. It has nothing to do with sympathy IMHO
Glofo is a subsidiary of ATIC which is known as Mubadala. Mubadala is base out of UAE. ( http://www.mubadala.com/en/what-we-do/semiconductors/globalfoundries) (Current as of today) AMD sold all stakes of GloFo in 2012. It's been a hot minute since AMD touched GloFo and they have no control over it. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-amd-idUSTRE8240K320120305 (march 5, 2012) So back to my statement: "Personally I would like to see them have a US company that makes their MOBO/GPU like EVGA is based in US for Intel/Nvidia." Going through all their Mobo partners, they are all in either Taiwan or China. Except Shuttle, which is US based, Shuttle appears to no longer sell any products with AMD parts according to their site. Going through all their GPU partners, they are all in Taiwan or China. Except for 3, Diamond MM, XFX, and Visiontek. XFX is a division of Pine Technology Holdings Limited, which is in China. Diamond MM is in America but their pickings look slim and it appears to simply be "sell all remaining" mode even on their own site ( http://www.diamondmultimediastore.com/diamond-video-graphic-cards) Visiontek is also in America. There honestly isn't much info I could find, they have some good reviews on products and the company is in USA with 51-200 employees, they are a closed company (no stocks). So not much info other than reviews and what people say which is decent. So 1 active GPU partner, 0 active mobo partners. GloFo is no longer associated. None of this still tells me why I should buy a inferior product over a better one at the same price. Now if AMD comes out with something that competes with Intel at the same or lower price point, I will check them out as I said before.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/19 02:05:02
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I remember jumping ship from AMD back in 2003 and i never looked back, went from a Barton Athlon xp 3200+ build to the dominating at the time Northwood Pentium 4 3.2 HT. Heheh, Mabe they should stick to what they know, Consoles.....
Sure, let them relinquish the whole market to Intel and Nvidia so we can all pay $1000 per component regardless of performance.
Stick to what you know.
AMD hasn't been considered competition for a very long time. LOL!!! And I haven't been paying $1000 per component.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/19 02:38:11
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I'm not bad and I never wish someone bad performance, I hope they will back on track or we could expect to NVIDIA ask 500$ for same performance as RX 480 and Intel to improve Skylake Xtreme for 10% from Broadwell Xtreme.
But Intel served me well and no reason to change. Between Ryzen 7 1800X and Crosshair 6 Hero and i7-6900K I will rather RVE and i7-6900K.
I hope only more performance improvements in next years between generations.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/19 17:36:55
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I remember jumping ship from AMD back in 2003 and i never looked back, went from a Barton Athlon xp 3200+ build to the dominating at the time Northwood Pentium 4 3.2 HT. Heheh, Mabe they should stick to what they know, Consoles.....
Sure, let them relinquish the whole market to Intel and Nvidia so we can all pay $1000 per component regardless of performance.
Stick to what you know.
AMD hasn't been considered competition for a very long time. LOL!!! And I haven't been paying $1000 per component.
AMD is still competitive just in the value space, I'd take an A10 or Athlon X4 over a Pentium any day, also great for people on a budget so they don't have to buy a GPU+CPU as the AMD GPU's can do light gaming, the intel one's still don't compete unless we are taking Iris which you can't find in a pentium or Celeron. Also you jumped to a 3.2 P4, I guess you missed the info that Athlon 64 decimated the Pentium 4, Intel abandoned Netburst because it was garbage. Now I have hope and it's because Jim Keller designed this thing, he also designed the original Athlon and the Athlon 64, as well as the Apple A4 and A5 chips, so I have every reason to belive this isn't the second coming of Bulldozer. As for Phenom killing AMD and destroying trust, maybe to a degree, but then we got Phenom II which was very competitive with Core 2, and was priced below I7 but not to far away in preformance, a good Phenom II X4 965 with board and ram was at least 250-300 cheaper than I7 at the time, Bulldozer is what hurt AMD. Oh and lets not forget, Intel did charge nearly 200 dollars back in the day for a Celeron, do you want to go back to the older pricing, intel sure would love to. I7 for $900-2000 i5 for $700-900 i3 for $300-700 Pentium $200-300 Celeron $100-200 Below that well you can buy cheaper versions of Celeron, thats how Intel would be doing it if AMD wasn't still playing the game.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
2017/02/19 18:41:27
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I don't need to see AMD beat Intel flat-out in performance - as long as the CPU gets the job done for what I'm doing. The way I see it - if I can get an AMD setup that's 80%+ the performance of an Intel equivalent for 50% or less of the price I would strongly consider it. AMD has also stated AM4 will be relevant until 2020. This is plausible - look at how long AM3 lasted. That leaves a much cheaper upgrade path too if you don't have to buy a new MB every year. If Intel gives me better performance per dollar than AMD - that's the way I would go.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
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I remember jumping ship from AMD back in 2003 and i never looked back, went from a Barton Athlon xp 3200+ build to the dominating at the time Northwood Pentium 4 3.2 HT. Heheh, Mabe they should stick to what they know, Consoles.....
Sure, let them relinquish the whole market to Intel and Nvidia so we can all pay $1000 per component regardless of performance.
Stick to what you know.
AMD hasn't been considered competition for a very long time. LOL!!! And I haven't been paying $1000 per component.
AMD is still competitive just in the value space, I'd take an A10 or Athlon X4 over a Pentium any day, also great for people on a budget so they don't have to buy a GPU+CPU as the AMD GPU's can do light gaming, the intel one's still don't compete unless we are taking Iris which you can't find in a pentium or Celeron. Also you jumped to a 3.2 P4, I guess you missed the info that Athlon 64 decimated the Pentium 4, Intel abandoned Netburst because it was garbage.
Now I have hope and it's because Jim Keller designed this thing, he also designed the original Athlon and the Athlon 64, as well as the Apple A4 and A5 chips, so I have every reason to belive this isn't the second coming of Bulldozer.
As for Phenom killing AMD and destroying trust, maybe to a degree, but then we got Phenom II which was very competitive with Core 2, and was priced below I7 but not to far away in preformance, a good Phenom II X4 965 with board and ram was at least 250-300 cheaper than I7 at the time, Bulldozer is what hurt AMD.
Oh and lets not forget, Intel did charge nearly 200 dollars back in the day for a Celeron, do you want to go back to the older pricing, intel sure would love to.
I7 for $900-2000
i5 for $700-900
i3 for $300-700
Pentium $200-300
Celeron $100-200
Below that well you can buy cheaper versions of Celeron, thats how Intel would be doing it if AMD wasn't still playing the game.
Athlon 64 came out about 4 months after the P4 3.2 HT But I was aware the Athlon 64 dominated, after its release and me already building an Intel machine.  Those were the glory days of AMD that they seem to be having a hard time bringing back. Guess we will see with Ryzen.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen Processors Box Art Leaked
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Athlon 64 came out about 4 months after the P4 3.2 HT But I was aware the Athlon 64 dominated, after its release and me already building an Intel machine. Those were the glory days of AMD that they seem to be having a hard time bringing back. Guess we will see with Ryzen. Yea looking forward to see if this will put AMD back in the game and shake the entire cpu market. Even that i have had Intel that last 15 years or so, i hope that AMD comes back so its not just Intel that runs the whole thing.
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