dave851

Grey_Beard
I am now down to under 100,000 ppd.  What the heck is going on?  Should I go back to an older driver?

What core and projects are you running? They can all give wildly different ppd. 

Seems I am running all 0x17 projects.  One is a 9201, 9202 and a 10467.  I have one GPU that is only getting 30,000 ppd but the others are now getting from 120,000 to 150,000 each.  Seems weird the one is so low.
  I have also noticed the workloads have also produced much less heat from the rig, I guess that is a silver lining.

dave851

Grey_Beard
 
Seems I am running all 0x17 projects.  One is a 9201, 9202 and a 10467.  I have one GPU that is only getting 30,000 ppd but the others are now getting from 120,000 to 150,000 each.  Seems weird the one is so low.
 I have also noticed the workloads have also produced much less heat from the rig, I guess that is a silver lining.

You sure that the video cards didn't get stuck at a low clock? Around 150k ppd is about 780 levels. Having a lower heat output makes me think that the cards just aren't being fully utilized for some reason. 

All clock speeds are identical at around 1150.  I am now down to 75,000 ppd.  If this continues, I am done with Folding and will do Crunching only.  This is total BS to go from 600,000 ppd to 70,000 ppd is something I will not waste my time nor my electricity on.

bcavnaugh

Grey_Beard

dave851

Grey_Beard
 
Seems I am running all 0x17 projects.  One is a 9201, 9202 and a 10467.  I have one GPU that is only getting 30,000 ppd but the others are now getting from 120,000 to 150,000 each.  Seems weird the one is so low.
 I have also noticed the workloads have also produced much less heat from the rig, I guess that is a silver lining.

You sure that the video cards didn't get stuck at a low clock? Around 150k ppd is about 780 levels. Having a lower heat output makes me think that the cards just aren't being fully utilized for some reason. 

All clock speeds are identical at around 1150.  I am now down to 75,000 ppd.  If this continues, I am done with Folding and will do Crunching only.  This is total BS to go from 600,000 ppd to 70,000 ppd is something I will not waste my time nor my electricity on.

For the most that is why I got 2 R2 290X Cards for, at least this way I can still Fold.

I just bought four GTX 980 SC for Folding or Crunching.  I am building two more rigs.   I just reboot and if this keeps happening I will be done with this ridiculous crap, but the Crunching will be phenomenal starting in December.  I need to clean out this rig, drain and refill my loop.  If I need to wait until after Thanksgiving to do that to get 1,500,000 points and $10, then it will not happen and my Folding days are over.  I guess Stanford has all they need in AMD rigs, because soon there will be no NVidia ones because of this.

Grey_Beard

bcavnaugh

Grey_Beard

dave851

Grey_Beard
 
Seems I am running all 0x17 projects.  One is a 9201, 9202 and a 10467.  I have one GPU that is only getting 30,000 ppd but the others are now getting from 120,000 to 150,000 each.  Seems weird the one is so low.
 I have also noticed the workloads have also produced much less heat from the rig, I guess that is a silver lining.

You sure that the video cards didn't get stuck at a low clock? Around 150k ppd is about 780 levels. Having a lower heat output makes me think that the cards just aren't being fully utilized for some reason. 

All clock speeds are identical at around 1150.  I am now down to 75,000 ppd.  If this continues, I am done with Folding and will do Crunching only.  This is total BS to go from 600,000 ppd to 70,000 ppd is something I will not waste my time nor my electricity on.

For the most that is why I got 2 R2 290X Cards for, at least this way I can still Fold.

I just bought four GTX 980 SC for Folding or Crunching.  I am building two more rigs.   I just reboot and if this keeps happening I will be done with this ridiculous crap, but the Crunching will be phenomenal starting in December.  I need to clean out this rig, drain and refill my loop.  If I need to wait until after Thanksgiving to do that to get 1,500,000 points and $10, then it will not happen and my Folding days are over.  I guess Stanford has all they need in AMD rigs, because soon there will be no NVidia ones because of this.

On the other side that is Crunching AMD GPU's are not supported like NVIDIA GPU's are.
Like GPUGRID only supports NVIDIA GPU's.
PRIMGRID and Einstein@Home if I recall do support AMD GPU's

heikosch

bcavnaugh

heikosch

Grey_Beard
I am now down to under 100,000 ppd.  What the heck is going on?  Should I go back to an older driver?

100k PPD is a little bit too low for 3 GTX 780 Ti, should never be less than 200k-250k PPD also with the worst projects.
Which projects do you currently fold?
Heiko

Remember that for the most part we do not pick projects they given out randomly.

A GTX 780 Ti should achieve a minimum of 70-80k PPD - whatever project it folds. => 3 GTX 780 Ti ~240-250k PPD minimum
Currently the maximum should be 290k PPD with P9201 and OC.
 
Heiko

Yes you are correct, we Should.

But get stuck running Core 15 for what 3600 max if you are lucky and for almost 24 hours to complete.
My 780 on Core 17 P13000/1 will see maybe 72K Credit at 14 Hours to my AMD R2 290X will see 84K Credit in less than 11 Hours.
My 2 R2 290X will see up to 500K PPD as my 3 GTX 780 will only see 200K PPD.
 
At the end of 2013 I was putting out 39 Million Credits and now maybe 3 Million Credits.

I feel I need to preach somewhat to this choir.  I do not Crunch or Fold for the $10 I get from EVGA.  I do this as a contribution back to a medical community, that not only has employed me for 25 years, but one that has help me personally.  My wife has benefited by this stuff.  She had breast cancer and is now fine five years later.  I have most of uncles and aunts pass from cancer.  Of the 22 or so that were once alive, cancer has taken 17.  I just personally had my spine rebuilt by the use of medical advancements because I have a degenerative illness there.  This stuff is very personal with me.  I just feel right now that the value of the use of my many thousands of dollars of investment in state-of-the-art technology is not being valued by the folks that have really had an impact on my personal life.  This is what irritates me, not the use of more electricity than benefit I get from doing this.  I feel very undervalued and marginalized.  This is what really bothers me.  I take this stuff personally.  Maybe I should not, but I do.  I will most-likely talk directly to Dr. Pande regarding this.  If it does not matter, I do not care, but I want to voice my displeasure with this lack of value.  I am about to investment even more because of this personal impact.  Not only to I work and try to better the medical field that way, but also feel committed to do all I can to help repay or make the next person's life with one of the issues I have personal been impacted by less of an issue fro them.  This is why I do this, not for $10, as this is what my earlier posts may have conveyed.  Sorry for the rant and soap box, but this is very personal for me.

Grey_Beard
I feel I need to preach somewhat to this choir.  I do not Crunch or Fold for the $10 I get from EVGA.  I do this as a contribution back to a medical community, that not only has employed me for 25 years, but one that has help me personally.  My wife has benefited by this stuff.  She had breast cancer and is now fine five years later.  I have most of uncles and aunts pass from cancer.  Of the 22 or so that were once alive, cancer has taken 17.  I just personally had my spine rebuilt by the use of medical advancements because I have a degenerative illness there.  This stuff is very personal with me.  I just feel right now that the value of the use of my many thousands of dollars of investment in state-of-the-art technology is not being valued by the folks that have really had an impact on my personal life.  This is what irritates me, not the use of more electricity than benefit I get from doing this.  I feel very undervalued and marginalized.  This is what really bothers me.  I take this stuff personally.  Maybe I should not, but I do.  I will most-likely talk directly to Dr. Pande regarding this.  If it does not matter, I do not care, but I want to voice my displeasure with this lack of value.  I am about to investment even more because of this personal impact.  Not only to I work and try to better the medical field that way, but also feel committed to do all I can to help repay or make the next person's life with one of the issues I have personal been impacted by less of an issue fro them.  This is why I do this, not for $10, as this is what my earlier posts may have conveyed.  Sorry for the rant and soap box, but this is very personal for me.

+1
The $10 is only a Fortunate By-Product for me and nothing more.

The issue may be that I am running client - beta.

Grey_Beard
I just changed from client-type = beta to client-type = advanced. We'll see what this does.

That is the settings I use, but sometimes I still get stuck with Core 15 Projects.

bcavnaugh

Simba123
You must have something strange going on.
I'm running a 780 under the (older) driver 337.88, FAH client version 7.3.6
with client-type=advanced
and I have recieved only 1 core 15 this month, all the rest have been Core17.
ppd 150-180k depending on the workunit.

 
That is about what I get on my rig that has 3 GTX 780. I am on Driver 344.60 for my last run.
What kept you on Driver 337.88?

You get higher PPD with 337.88. Only GTX 970/980 needs newer drivers.
 
Heiko

bcavnaugh

heikosch

bcavnaugh

Simba123You must have something strange going on.
I'm running a 780 under the (older) driver 337.88, FAH client version 7.3.6
with client-type=advanced
and I have recieved only 1 core 15 this month, all the rest have been Core17.
ppd 150-180k depending on the workunit.

That is about what I get on my rig that has 3 GTX 780. I am on Driver 344.60 for my last run.
What kept you on Driver 337.88?

You get higher PPD with 337.88. Only GTX 970/980 needs newer drivers.

How will Driver 337.88 if any Effect BOINC Projects like GPUGRID?

We were talking about Folding- not BOINC. The OpenCL drivers in the Geforce driver packages 344.11, 344.16, 344.48 and 344.60 (and probably also 344.65) perform slower than 337.88.
327.23 performs a little bit faster than 337.88 but it´s older than one year and to my mind doesn´t support the GTX 780 Ti.
For a GTX 980 you need 344.11 but it includes a bug regarding the OC setting.
 
In my opinion GPUGRID uses CUDA. I´m not aware of performance changes in the last driver versions but I didn´t check the numbers because Folding uses CUDA now just for core 0x15.
 
Heiko

I used 327.23 for my GTX 780 (GK110) for month and switched to 337.88 when I added a GTX 750 Ti (which needs at least 334.89 to let Windows detect it).
But a GTX 780 Ti needs 331.65  to let Windows detect it. GTX Titan should be fine with 327.23.
 
Heiko

mdk7777777
Grey-Beard
 
I not only feel your pain, I anticipated it.
Three weeks ago I wrote to the researcher that was developing the WU using core 18.:
 
I wrote the following to kyleb regarding my opinion of this strategy:

"Pushing this type of WU is very poor for donor morale. It shows a lack of respect for the donors investment, time and electricity.

This is the worst of all options. In order of preference the options are:

1. continue to supply only the limited working WU to Maxwell cards
2. suspend Maxwell support until the cores/driver issues are resolved
3. send out intentionally crippled WU that run at 1/4 speed and don't inform donors of any plan to resolve the issues."

As per usual when PM PG, I had no response.
 
I have been permanently banned (Censored) from the FOLDING FORUM because I advocate for some communication, some respect for the donors.
 
I understand why you find it personal.
What I can never understand is why PG does not think community support is worth their time.
 
My opinion is that they will resolve the situation in their own time (weeks, months, perhaps years)
I would not hold my breath waiting for anyone to explain their rational to you.
They have proven again and again that they do not think it is worth their time.

Sad but for the most part True.
 

I updated the new driver yesterday, 344.65, and now I am back to levels I was before.  Just noticed my daily average is now over 600,000 ppd.  What a roller coaster.  This does not have to be this hard, does it?  I am refining my response to the Folding group and I am hopeful that I will not get banned for voicing my opinion regarding value and personal commitment.  Even if I am banned from a forum, I will continue to commit to this cause because this is personal for me.  If they cripple Kelper, then I will lose much of what I have today to fold with.  Maybe my Maxwell investment is worth it.  Two more cards arriving today.

So far, I would say yes, but this has been a fickle situation. Will update as the day progresses to see if this sticks.