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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/22 08:33:41
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I find it interesting that a flaw in a product may cause prices to rise. Fix the product!!!
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/22 16:33:45
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Hmm all the stuff I saw says "rumored", including this one.
I guess time will tell.
How much could a onboard controller increase prices on a motherboard, $2-$3?
So you buy a AM4 mobo and CPU and you're still 200 bucks under the price of a single Intel CPU...just saying.
This may not be a big deal even if it is true.
OR
AMD intended for there to be controllers on AM4 motherboards.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/22 19:18:01
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seth89
Hmm all the stuff I saw says "rumored", including this one.
I guess time will tell.
How much could a onboard controller increase prices on a motherboard, $2-$3?
So you buy a AM4 mobo and CPU and you're still 200 bucks under the price of a single Intel CPU...just saying.
This may not be a big deal even if it is true.
OR
AMD intended for there to be controllers on AM4 motherboards.
Well, granted it's rumored, but if true and motherboards have to use additional PCI-E lanes for USB controllers that should have been integrated on the CPU, that's just poorly wasted capability. Zen needs to be perfect out of the gate if any OEM's are gonna be willing to use them in any quantity after the bulldozer fiasco. Unless AMD is so far along that they simply cannot repair this before mass production, they need to correct it to board manufacturer satisfaction. Anything AMD can do to wow the world and their partners with this chip they need to do their best to make it happen.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 09:22:29
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Bruno747
seth89
Hmm all the stuff I saw says "rumored", including this one.
I guess time will tell.
How much could a onboard controller increase prices on a motherboard, $2-$3?
So you buy a AM4 mobo and CPU and you're still 200 bucks under the price of a single Intel CPU...just saying.
This may not be a big deal even if it is true.
OR
AMD intended for there to be controllers on AM4 motherboards.
Well, granted it's rumored, but if true and motherboards have to use additional PCI-E lanes for USB controllers that should have been integrated on the CPU, that's just poorly wasted capability. Zen needs to be perfect out of the gate if any OEM's are gonna be willing to use them in any quantity after the bulldozer fiasco.
Unless AMD is so far along that they simply cannot repair this before mass production, they need to correct it to board manufacturer satisfaction. Anything AMD can do to wow the world and their partners with this chip they need to do their best to make it happen.
Agreed, needs to be perfect.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 09:27:55
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ASMedia USB Chipsets are also know to have issues with VR Products like Oculus Rift.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 12:32:37
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Damn, bad luck constantly follow AMD.
From other side Intel fans wait native Intel USB 3.1 controller with Skylake Extreme.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 17:30:08
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Vlada011
Damn, bad luck constantly follow AMD.
From other side Intel fans wait native Intel USB 3.1 controller with Skylake Extreme. I'm sure there have been production issues with Intel, they just don't get leaked/reported. It isn't like those that leak info anonymously on the internet are completely objective and without bias or agendas.  That being said, what's with the overly dramatic click-bait title on the article; how is a price difference of $2-5 "escalating costs"? Slow news day.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 18:46:44
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lehpron
Vlada011
Damn, bad luck constantly follow AMD.
From other side Intel fans wait native Intel USB 3.1 controller with Skylake Extreme. I'm sure there have been production issues with Intel, they just don't get leaked/reported. It isn't like those that leak info anonymously on the internet are completely objective and without bias or agendas.
That being said, what's with the overly dramatic click-bait title on the article; how is a price difference of $2-5 "escalating costs"? Slow news day.
the news is out there. The facts are AMD needs to step up, and bring something big, anyone here will agree with me. new(s) is focused on AMD because they (and us) want to know what they're going to do to play catch-up. Why can't they get something astronomically amazing on the plate and score huge, something genuine, to challenge Nvidia or Intel? I call BS when they claim they are "performance per dollar". Nevertheless, I plan on making an AMD computer soon. It's in the works but after Zen comes out. We can only pray right? Kind of sounds very hypocritical...Saying that because I'm calling BS on AMD, but still plan on building an AMD computer. 
post edited by stalinx20 - 2016/06/24 23:13:56
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 21:27:59
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lehpron
Vlada011
Damn, bad luck constantly follow AMD.
From other side Intel fans wait native Intel USB 3.1 controller with Skylake Extreme. I'm sure there have been production issues with Intel, they just don't get leaked/reported. It isn't like those that leak info anonymously on the internet are completely objective and without bias or agendas.
That being said, what's with the overly dramatic click-bait title on the article; how is a price difference of $2-5 "escalating costs"? Slow news day.
The big one I can think of was the original server chipsets used in x79 platform. Was supposed to have 6 native 6gbs data ports but ended up with only two because Intel couldn't get the chipset design repaired in time for production. Vendors just went to tossing on an extra Marvell controller for sata 6gb ports. Or in the case of asrock, an LSI 3008 with 8 ports.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/24 22:45:21
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Such mistakes are not acceptable for so expensive products as Z170, X79, etc chipsets and hardware for them. I didn't heard that someone from companies who made mistakes show up and explain to people that price will be 20% lower because of that. Instead of that we need to be thankful even if they share with us problem. Sometimes after purchase we figure out. When you compare material and controllers and process of build manufacturers earn over 400-500% on single product. Hardware is build with so cheap materials compare what human hands could make. If you check tools example NASA use for space and quality of build that's like completely different race made that. And we pay that with our money and our taxes and we consume craps during whole life. Example Rampage V 10TH Edition cost 600$. Yes it's far best and most advanced motherboard I ever saw, all ports and controllers are build with perfect plan for use, everything is on place, perfect PCB, everything is set on own place like puzzle but for 600$ humans are not aware what could be build. Such products could cost 300$ and company have huge space for profit, taxes, marketing and research for future. But not they ask double, just in case.
post edited by Vlada011 - 2016/06/24 22:49:25
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/28 00:13:24
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Bruno747
lehpron
Vlada011
Damn, bad luck constantly follow AMD.
From other side Intel fans wait native Intel USB 3.1 controller with Skylake Extreme. I'm sure there have been production issues with Intel, they just don't get leaked/reported. It isn't like those that leak info anonymously on the internet are completely objective and without bias or agendas.
That being said, what's with the overly dramatic click-bait title on the article; how is a price difference of $2-5 "escalating costs"? Slow news day.
The big one I can think of was the original server chipsets used in x79 platform. Was supposed to have 6 native 6gbs data ports but ended up with only two because Intel couldn't get the chipset design repaired in time for production.
Vendors just went to tossing on an extra Marvell controller for sata 6gb ports. Or in the case of asrock, an LSI 3008 with 8 ports.
Yes, this happens very often. The first Sandy Bridge-E chips had a problem with virtualization (VT-d bug) and they shipped with their PCI-e lanes downgraded, only supporting 2.0 speeds, and that was at CPU level, not chipset, so yes, this happens very often. It seems that sell unfinished products is the norm of today standards. I will be happy if they can solve the USB problem in factory as oposed to Intel in the x79/Sandy Bridge-E adventure because I don't want to spend money in a factory broken chip.
post edited by megalolman - 2016/06/28 00:16:50
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/28 10:38:41
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Smells like the Cougar Point SATA issue - except that resulted in a recall. This is pre-release so they should be able to get it fixed by then. And hopefully they learned to find someone better than Asmedia to make their stuff in the future.
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Re: AMD "Zen" Processor Integrated Chipset Has USB 3.1 Issues, Could Escalate Costs
2016/06/30 01:43:01
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megalolman
Bruno747
lehpron
Vlada011
Damn, bad luck constantly follow AMD.
From other side Intel fans wait native Intel USB 3.1 controller with Skylake Extreme. I'm sure there have been production issues with Intel, they just don't get leaked/reported. It isn't like those that leak info anonymously on the internet are completely objective and without bias or agendas.
That being said, what's with the overly dramatic click-bait title on the article; how is a price difference of $2-5 "escalating costs"? Slow news day.
The big one I can think of was the original server chipsets used in x79 platform. Was supposed to have 6 native 6gbs data ports but ended up with only two because Intel couldn't get the chipset design repaired in time for production.
Vendors just went to tossing on an extra Marvell controller for sata 6gb ports. Or in the case of asrock, an LSI 3008 with 8 ports.
Yes, this happens very often.
The first Sandy Bridge-E chips had a problem with virtualization (VT-d bug) and they shipped with their PCI-e lanes downgraded, only supporting 2.0 speeds, and that was at CPU level, not chipset, so yes, this happens very often. It seems that sell unfinished products is the norm of today standards.
I will be happy if they can solve the USB problem in factory as oposed to Intel in the x79/Sandy Bridge-E adventure because I don't want to spend money in a factory broken chip.
Yes, this was a pain for me. Nvidia never made a fix for this. They mad a "patch" where you had to do extra work, but never a fix.
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