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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/30 13:42:20
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I can dream.
Just worried about lack of competition.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/30 14:32:13
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S2000Gan
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I can dream.
Just worried about lack of competition.
You can dream anyone can. even that your hopes that a HD 8970 is gonna be 500 USD/EUR is possible too, nothing is impossible, my VGA card experiences since 1994 have proven me that with a lot of things. Even I do think that the HD 8970 will have Titan performance, if that would be true I think AMD would sell it around 600 a 650 USD/Euro and no more. Even for that money it's a steal compared to that of a Titan. It oly lacks CUDA, APEX, Advanced PhysX, Single & Double GPGPU Precision Point & Advanced Ray Tracing, even though AMD does have TressFX which is identical to Advanced PhysX which actually was created by Ageia, only that NVIDIA bought the tech themselves heh
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/30 23:31:19
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Gold LeaderYou can dream anyone can. even that your hopes that a HD 8970 is gonna be 500 USD/EUR is possible too, nothing is impossible, my VGA card experiences since 1994 have proven me that with a lot of things. Even I do think that the HD 8970 will have Titan performance, if that would be true I think AMD would sell it around 600 a 650 USD/Euro and no more. Even for that money it's a steal compared to that of a Titan. It oly lacks CUDA, APEX, Advanced PhysX, Single & Double GPGPU Precision Point & Advanced Ray Tracing, even though AMD does have TressFX which is identical to Advanced PhysX which actually was created by Ageia, only that NVIDIA bought the tech themselves heh CUDA can be emulated through Bolt( http://developer.amd.com/community/blog/details-of-the-bolt-beta/) APEX is Advanced PhysX and AMD prefers the use of the Bullet Engine( http://bulletphysics.org/wordpress/) SP/DP Precision since Nvidia dropped Fermi like a brick it has moved from Nvidia to AMD. Nothing, Nvidia has brought out has yet to beat the 480s/570s/580s in compute/price. Not looking at hardware but pure performance the 7870 XT and 7970 GHz (the only two Tahiti SKUs with 6 Gbps GDDR5 that I know of) are the only good replacements for the 460-480/560-580. If you look at Advanced Ray Tracing... 770 GTX -> 470 GTX -> A bunch of run of the mill $<300 AMD cards -> 480 GTX -> another bunch of amd cards -> 580 GTX -> the highest end parts of the 5000, 6000, 7000 series -> 580 GTX SLI.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/31 09:04:18
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all GK110 based cards have SP/DP Precision :P NV has not dropped this yet afaik. the HD 7970 Ghz Edition has about equal performance to that of a GTX 680, really plenty of benchmarks out there that prove this :) http://www.anandtech.com/...ching-up-to-gtx-680/19 AS emulated programs go be careful what you say there, software emulation is always lots slower and less stable than actual hardware accelerated software ;) CUDA 5.xx would be lots faster and it's also lots more supported and used over AMD's emulated solution, even that AMD's solution can be useful, OpenCL never made it as successful as CUDA did sad enough, as for APEX this too is also more supported in games over AMD's solution, although it would be nice to see more games using Tress-FX instead since this is ATI Department AMD's hardware accelerated Physics solution. To emulate is also accurate than if done hardwarematically.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/31 15:46:11
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I wouldn't say AMD is not in the picture because it depends on what picture your looking at.. they are killing Nvidia with the price drop of the HD7950 and the free games as Nvidia has no answer for it that i have seen as who wouldn't want Crysis 3 /Bio Shock/Fry Cry and a new HD7950 for $269
I feel the HD8970 is waiting for BF 4 to be ready for release and Nvidia dosen't know this and why all the new cards.. end of July is my thinking.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/31 17:20:52
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Gold Leaderall GK110 based cards have SP/DP Precision :P NV has not dropped this yet afaik. the HD 7970 Ghz Edition has about equal performance to that of a GTX 680, really plenty of benchmarks out there that prove this. The 7970 has quadruple the DP power over the 680. While the single precision is a little lower where the 7970 is only 20% more powerful than the 680. Gold LeaderAS emulated programs go be careful what you say there, software emulation is always lots slower and less stable than actual hardware accelerated software ;) CUDA 5.xx would be lots faster and it's also lots more supported and used over AMD's emulated solution, even that AMD's solution can be useful, OpenCL never made it as successful as CUDA did sad enough, as for APEX this too is also more supported in games over AMD's solution, although it would be nice to see more games using Tress-FX instead since this is ATI Department AMD's hardware accelerated Physics solution. I meant duplicate rather imitation when I said emulate. AMD Bolt can replicate code from CUDA and run C++ AMP(DirectCompute) or OpenCL(C-based) or AMD's OpenCL(C++ Based). Guess what AMD hardware runs faster than Nvidia hardware in compute. Also, the fact is Bolt and OpenCL is open-sourced while CUDA is not. (I think Intel produces OpenCL with Fortran...) There are more games using Intel Havok and AMD & Sony's Bullet Engine than games using GPU accelerated APEX. Also, just for anyone asking the latest F@H GPU core is using OpenCL not CUDA.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/05/31 18:17:17
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/01 01:18:03
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I wouldn't say AMD is not in the picture because it depends on what picture your looking at.. they are killing Nvidia with the price drop of the HD7950 and the free games as Nvidia has no answer for it that i have seen as who wouldn't want Crysis 3 /Bio Shock/Fry Cry and a new HD7950 for $269
I feel the HD8970 is waiting for BF 4 to be ready for release and Nvidia dosen't know this and why all the new cards.. end of July is my thinking.
The free games is just a sign of bad sales and the atempt to cover it up, nothing else. If you base you purchas on the free games rather the GPU then you focusing on the wrong things and there is no reson to answer to a poor sale buttred up in gamebundle aslong as you own sale is on track.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/01 08:22:39
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tm95ern
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I wouldn't say AMD is not in the picture because it depends on what picture your looking at.. they are killing Nvidia with the price drop of the HD7950 and the free games as Nvidia has no answer for it that i have seen as who wouldn't want Crysis 3 /Bio Shock/Fry Cry and a new HD7950 for $269
I feel the HD8970 is waiting for BF 4 to be ready for release and Nvidia dosen't know this and why all the new cards.. end of July is my thinking.
The free games is just a sign of bad sales and the atempt to cover it up, nothing else.
If you base you purchas on the free games rather the GPU then you focusing on the wrong things and there is no reson to answer to a poor sale buttred up in gamebundle aslong as you own sale is on track.
... I always got free games with my nividia graphics card purchases...
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/01 09:13:33
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If that's how you see it as thinking the HD7950 is a bad buy and AMD covered up the sell with free games.
or your saying $1000 Titan's is the sweet spot.. lmao
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/01 12:12:30
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If that's how you see it as thinking the HD7950 is a bad buy and AMD covered up the sell with free games.
or your saying $1000 Titan's is the sweet spot.. lmao
What i am saying is that to maintain sales they throw in some games to sweeten the deal and get some to buy it tha dont buy for the product itself. Never settle is marketingtrick to do just that and open and shut symtom of bad sales. Acceptable or good sales of AMD card would not got that deal out. Nvidia has increased its marketshare Q4 2012 and Q1 2013 and AMD has lost during the same time. I dont say AMD are bad cards, just that the sales drying out and AMD had to do something to "fix" it. Thought i saw somewhere that nvidia delivered as many discrete GPU:s that AMD was capabel of when they included their APU:s. starsmine
tm95ern
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I wouldn't say AMD is not in the picture because it depends on what picture your looking at.. they are killing Nvidia with the price drop of the HD7950 and the free games as Nvidia has no answer for it that i have seen as who wouldn't want Crysis 3 /Bio Shock/Fry Cry and a new HD7950 for $269
I feel the HD8970 is waiting for BF 4 to be ready for release and Nvidia dosen't know this and why all the new cards.. end of July is my thinking.
The free games is just a sign of bad sales and the atempt to cover it up, nothing else.
If you base you purchas on the free games rather the GPU then you focusing on the wrong things and there is no reson to answer to a poor sale buttred up in gamebundle aslong as you own sale is on track.
... I always got free games with my nividia graphics card purchases...
I dont count games that are bound to crap like steam and i never ever buy a product for what i get "for free". It they bundle a game then throw in the physical disc itself s "cod" means nothing when it don cost them and i always want he ic or security and so i decide and control of the game.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/01 18:53:16
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If that's how you see it as thinking the HD7950 is a bad buy and AMD covered up the sell with free games. I gather from his comment not that poor sales = bad product, just not enough people buying. Remember, not everyone buys only on the basis of product details, many just have other priorities in their lives where money goes. People that purchase based on their passions tend to forget stuff like not everyone invests equally emotionally.  For many people, computer hardware upgrades are about as monotonous as changing the oil in your car, so not buying doesn't mean bad product. But lumping games certainly helps sales, especially if someoen put more stake in the game. This is where AMD is winning, per se, they figure people want the games and just happened to also want the graphics card. We could also look at it from the perspective of demographics, notice how the game bundles are not applied to cheaper low-end graphics cards? Those folks aren't going to budge, they are full-on penny-pinchers; it is those on the upper end that want to spend, but they aren't like GK110 candidates that behave immune to the recession and have plenty of cash to spend. Hence game bundles. AMD is just going for the psychological attack.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/01 20:39:23
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I been holding out as i been on the path of Eyefinity since HD58XX and have been wanting a HD79XX just for my set up but as lehpron says the recession has hit hard and no extar cash,, AMD dropped the price to a point of who can say no or meet me half way kind of deal.
I do know that AMD is letting Sapphire sell there stock pile of ref HD7950's built on the HD7970 pcb and Hynix RAM. This is regarded as the best RAM, and is stable at over 1.6v easily. hell of a card for $269 and some free games ..if they get that driver out then 2 of these in crossfire is the sweet spot.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/02 04:49:30
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I do know that AMD is letting Sapphire sell there stock pile of ref HD7950's built on the HD7970 pcb and Hynix RAM. This is regarded as the best RAM, and is stable at over 1.6v easily. hell of a card for $269 and some free games ..if they get that driver out then 2 of these in crossfire is the sweet spot.
Beware that those cards have been stripped of a VRM so it doesn't have the same headroom a 7970 would have, certainly 1.6v is wishful thinking. Besides that it's a hell of a card. It crossed my mind to get a few.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/02 05:49:43
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I was in need to upgrade my old GTX480 to play my games maxed at 2560x1440@60fps. My GTX480 run out of memory, so I was in the need of a replacement. I was thinking in GTX780, or a GTX670 4GB... and finally give a try to HD7950 for less money... Now my games are maxed at my native resolution for less than half the money of a GTX780. This is my first AMD "not integrated" graphics card and I'm very happy. I will wait to new AMD series to come. If they are powerfull enough and competitive in price, I will try one. If not, I will buy another HD7950 from the cheap to get some crossfire fun  .
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/02 06:55:22
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If you wait for AMD:s next gen then you may as well just wait for maxwell, both is on track for 2014 on 20nm anyway with a AMD refresh no 28nm Q3 2013 or Q4 if they get hold up.
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Re:AMD Radeon 8000 series coming Q3 2013
2013/06/04 00:47:13
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tm95ern
If you wait for AMD:s next gen then you may as well just wait for maxwell, both is on track for 2014 on 20nm anyway with a AMD refresh no 28nm Q3 2013 or Q4 if they get hold up.
You are correct. I will wait and decide next year what to do. For now I'm well served with my HD7950, ready for a long wait... again  !
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