donta1979

Sajin
Using highest preset in tomb radier has the gameworks features disabled. 

To fully disable Gameworks you have to go in on a deeper level to disable different types of lighting, since gameworks brings in god rays or really mass tessellation that is very expensive, and other nice looking features, without the Gameworks lighting disabled Gameworks is still running in the background, ran into that one already on our game as we played around with our open source alternative. You can also play around with it in Fallout 4 using the Fallout 4 configuration tool to actually disable gameworks fully, you will see your FPS go up to a constant 60 on any top end card when you do even in the heavy asset downtown area of Boston. ;)

atfrico
Thanks for clarifying it Donta

Sajin

atfrico
Thanks for clarifying it Donta

What did he clarify? That maxwell doesn't have async compute so it's not fully dx12 compliant? Async isn't a part of DX12. Async compute isn't even an optional Dx12 feature. It's not a part of the actual API. 

donta1979

Sajin

atfrico
Thanks for clarifying it Donta

What did he clarify? That maxwell doesn't have async compute so it's not fully dx12 compliant? Async isn't a part of DX12. Async compute isn't even an optional Dx12 feature. It's not a part of the actual API. 

Actually that feature for multiple strings of data with shaders is a big feature and benifit of DX12, Being able to handle shaders/assets simultaneously is one of the Big plus's of DX12 over DX11. AMD does, where Nvidia does not. They cant use it like it supposed to be used thus the low fps in DX12, because they do not have the full shader support, it can use DX12 but not like its supposed to nerfing maxwell's performance because they didn't deem you the consumer would notice and they could save a ton of money not even printing that support on their chips. Like I said Maxwell can use it, but it is not using DX12 nor will it use DX12_1 as intended, its like running the Indy 500 with a few of your cylinders missing because the mechanic didn't put them in.. http://wccftech.com/amd-improves-dx12-performance-45-gpu-asynchronous-compute-engines/
 

donta1979

Sajin
AMD Pro Duo review...
 
 
What happened AMD?

Nothing happened, it is able to use both workstation and gaming crimson drivers, it has enough ump for VR and Developers in a single card, Developers don't use crazy multi card rigs during development. That is the joy of AMD when you buy an AMD card you get full DX12 support with its shaders, you get the logical processing cores, you get double precision so applications like Maya run smooth.
 
More like what happened nvidia no true full DX12 support to use it effectively and efficiently to give their customers the best gaming experience in upcoming and future games, No more logical processing cores on their regular lineups, Double Precision and other core network backbone features pulled from the GTX Titan X.
 
Like all duel GPU's we have seen since they have been a thing two 2x lesser cards normally outperform the duel gpu due to its lower clocks, now with Fury X's being liquid cooled to get the same clocks as the Fury X two of them They would had needed a much bigger radiator. Most developers don't have the double rad mounting slots on their cases, normally just 1 120mm slot. Thus the 120mm thick rad. So if you look at its specs it is in fact downclocked, just like just about any duel GPU that has ever been released on both sides.

donta1979
 

Sajin
 
Lol, Fury X doesn't support 12_1 so it's not fully dx12 compliant either. 

 
 
No its not required but to use it as intended and effectively it or a similar method to handle the async shaders and compute is required. Otherwise you do not get the benefit of DX12, and might as well just be running DX11. 
 
But then again a fool and his money are easily parted;) If you cannot make sense of facts, why maxwell does not work well on DX12 because its missing a vital component to handle it. Not much we can do for you.

atfrico

Sajin
Don't worry about what I spend my money on. If you want to buy amd junk that is your choice.

If AMD is AMD junk why are you making an argument about it? you are still posting too many troll lines, again I am still waiting for a good explanation on your part

Sajin

atfrico

Sajin

donta1979

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donta1979
You should start looking at the DX12 benchmarks/re-benchmarks over the past week or so the gains in performance have been amazing. Most companies going to AMD for a majority of the titles this year as well. As most studios are tired of nvidia, gameworks leading to angry customers. I have been seeing the R9 380 trading hard blows with the GTX 980, the Fury/Nano/Fury X slamming the 980 TI and Titan X in gaming benchmarks, and in rare occurrences the R9 390x doing the same.

I can honestly say as an over decade long nvidia pure fan moving to my R9 Fury X has been one of my better purchases in a long time, my favorite cards have been the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500, ATI X800m, 8800 GTX Ultra, 280 GTX FTW, GTX 480, GTX Titan and now the AMD R9 Fury X.
 
As AMD picks up momentum in the GPU market with a quality product and amazing drivers, hope to see them pick up their game in the CPU market. We as consumers need them to succeed badly no matter what side of the fence we are on be it gpu's or cpu's. 

Read it on the internet. Must be legit!
 
Hands down one of the most delusional replies I've read on these forums.

Nope just Guru3d and OC3D =) Not very delusional hate to inform you, the reason for this is nvidia cheaped out on its consumers didn't include what was needed for DX12 in their GPU's to run smoothly to charge more for less, thus they do DX12 so poorly. It is part of the reason I do not have a Shiny new Titan X in my PC right now, lacking core workstation backbone features as a consumer it was originally intended for. So with DX12 becoming a thing everyone that has purchased nvidia Maxwell card/cards guess what open your wallets again this year. As someone who is also a developer and has worked in the AAA industry, still have friends working in the industry that is their main complaint Nvidia Gameworks, angry customers, many older other nvidia sponsored tech games not even running on Maxwell, to their almost six hundred and fifty to one thousand dollar cards performing like a potato in DX12. To Nvidia becoming complacent with their charging more for less. They did it with all series of Maxwell all the way up to their top offerings.

Also going to add how is competition a bad thing? It lowers prices, imagine paying 700 for a Titan X, 500 for a 980 TI, and if the next nvidia cards have everything on them, the price wars start as they trade blows for the price performance crown to fight to get your money, imagine intel cpu's getting a six core for 300, 400-500 for an eight core, and paying 600-700 for one of intels new upcoming crazy cpu's that are are going to be over 1k MSRP for a none extreme cpu if AMD can make at least a CPU that can be competitive against Intel.

Nobody cares about ashes of the singularity except people who are on the amd wagon.
 
Here is a good rise of the tomb raider review with amd getting stomped... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/03/28/rise_tomb_raider_dx11_vs_dx12_review/
 
Hitman/Quantum Break are only 1-2 months old.
 
Old reivew of rise of the tomb raider... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/15/rise_tomb_raider_video_card_performance_review/
 
Conclusion: Games/Drivers need time to improve. Initial results don't mean anything.
 
 
 

Get this straight, AMD is not the money whore, Nvidia is. If you don't understand that, i will be happy to take you to reality lane.

Prices for 980 ti & Fury X look to be about the same right now. Right now on newegg you can buy a 980 ti for $590. A Fury X will cost you $620.
 

 
Both GPU's selected were the cheapest ones listed on newegg. Looks like AMD is the one money grubbing. 

donta1979
The thing is you cannot optimize for a GPU to make it magically grow the shader support that was not printed on it to begin with, you can let it use it, but it runs not so great, like an engine that requires premium gas only and you toss in unleaded, or my example of racing in the Indy 500 and the mechanic didn't put in all cylinders. Maxwell does not have the shader backbone to fully utilize DX12 nor DX12_1 it will be able to run both yes, but use it as intended no, and no amount of optimizations will change that unless you want it to have the lower poly counts, less assets on screen as DX11, then you might as well just use DX11. DX12 is progress to we as gamers, allows more of everything, more complex things capable of happening since more of the hardware is being utilized as long as it makes that requirement set forth by those who made the API. Maxwell does not make that requirement it will use it but never use the new API's as intended just for the simple fact NVIDIA didn't include the tech needed to do so. He is right you are trolling, or have the IQ of a rock, or just want to remain ignorant to the facts to try and justify what you bought even though deep down its not going to deliver/perform as advertised in the next generation of games being the top GPU on the planet.
 
AMD is far from Junk, it does what is advertised, and does everything a Titan X and 980 TI cannot.

Sajin
 
Async isn't a requirement of dx12, it isn't even an optional feature of dx12. Just because the api helps amd's gcn architecture perform better under dx12 does not make async a requirement/feature of dx12.

Sajin
 
Lol, I never said async wasn't necessary.

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atfrico

Sajin
 
Async isn't a requirement of dx12, it isn't even an optional feature of dx12. Just because the api helps amd's gcn architecture perform better under dx12 does not make async a requirement/feature of dx12.

Really?  yeah you just prove me right.  you are not reading what you are writing.
 
 

Sajin
 
Lol, I never said async wasn't necessary.

Look on your past post and come back again to explain your contradictions


google requirement definition, better yet dont worry i got it for you 
 
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  • a thing that is compulsory; a necessary condition.
    "applicants must satisfy the normal entry requirements"
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