AMD’s Polaris May Not Be High-End But Can Cover The Entire Mainstream VR Market 
 
Roy Taylor (AMD’s Corporate Vice President) confirmed that Polaris will be a mainstream GPU and not a high-end. 
 
AMD will be aiming for Polaris at the mainstream market and not high-end

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris-mainstream-vr-market/#ixzz474fHp92n
 
 
So no it won't compete against Nvidia - polaris 10 should be close to GTX 1060 numbers
and that explains the price point close to that of a 1060

You should start looking at the DX12 benchmarks/re-benchmarks over the past week or so the gains in performance have been amazing. Most companies going to AMD for a majority of the titles this year as well. As most studios are tired of nvidia, gameworks leading to angry customers. I have been seeing the R9 380 trading hard blows with the GTX 980, the Fury/Nano/Fury X slamming the 980 TI and Titan X in gaming benchmarks, and in rare occurrences the R9 390x doing the same.

I can honestly say as an over decade long nvidia pure fan moving to my R9 Fury X has been one of my better purchases in a long time, my favorite cards have been the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500, ATI X800m, 8800 GTX Ultra, 280 GTX FTW, GTX 480, GTX Titan and now the AMD R9 Fury X.
 
As AMD picks up momentum in the GPU market with a quality product and amazing drivers, hope to see them pick up their game in the CPU market. We as consumers need them to succeed badly no matter what side of the fence we are on be it gpu's or cpu's. 

donta1979
You should start looking at the DX12 benchmarks/re-benchmarks over the past week or so the gains in performance have been amazing. Most companies going to AMD for a majority of the titles this year as well. As most studios are tired of nvidia, gameworks leading to angry customers. I have been seeing the R9 380 trading hard blows with the GTX 980, the Fury/Nano/Fury X slamming the 980 TI and Titan X in gaming benchmarks, and in rare occurrences the R9 390x doing the same.

I can honestly say as an over decade long nvidia pure fan moving to my R9 Fury X has been one of my better purchases in a long time, my favorite cards have been the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500, ATI X800m, 8800 GTX Ultra, 280 GTX FTW, GTX 480, GTX Titan and now the AMD R9 Fury X.
 
As AMD picks up momentum in the GPU market with a quality product and amazing drivers, hope to see them pick up their game in the CPU market. We as consumers need them to succeed badly no matter what side of the fence we are on be it gpu's or cpu's. 

Read it on the internet. Must be legit!
 
Hands down one of the most delusional replies I've read on these forums.

donta1979

fearpoint

donta1979
You should start looking at the DX12 benchmarks/re-benchmarks over the past week or so the gains in performance have been amazing. Most companies going to AMD for a majority of the titles this year as well. As most studios are tired of nvidia, gameworks leading to angry customers. I have been seeing the R9 380 trading hard blows with the GTX 980, the Fury/Nano/Fury X slamming the 980 TI and Titan X in gaming benchmarks, and in rare occurrences the R9 390x doing the same.

I can honestly say as an over decade long nvidia pure fan moving to my R9 Fury X has been one of my better purchases in a long time, my favorite cards have been the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500, ATI X800m, 8800 GTX Ultra, 280 GTX FTW, GTX 480, GTX Titan and now the AMD R9 Fury X.
 
As AMD picks up momentum in the GPU market with a quality product and amazing drivers, hope to see them pick up their game in the CPU market. We as consumers need them to succeed badly no matter what side of the fence we are on be it gpu's or cpu's. 

Read it on the internet. Must be legit!
 
Hands down one of the most delusional replies I've read on these forums.

Nope just Guru3d and OC3D =) Not very delusional hate to inform you, the reason for this is nvidia cheaped out on its consumers didn't include what was needed for DX12 in their GPU's to run smoothly to charge more for less, thus they do DX12 so poorly. It is part of the reason I do not have a Shiny new Titan X in my PC right now, lacking core workstation backbone features as a consumer it was originally intended for. So with DX12 becoming a thing everyone that has purchased nvidia Maxwell card/cards guess what open your wallets again this year. As someone who is also a developer and has worked in the AAA industry, still have friends working in the industry that is their main complaint Nvidia Gameworks, angry customers, many older other nvidia sponsored tech games not even running on Maxwell, to their almost six hundred and fifty to one thousand dollar cards performing like a potato in DX12. To Nvidia becoming complacent with their charging more for less. They did it with all series of Maxwell all the way up to their top offerings.

Also going to add how is competition a bad thing? It lowers prices, imagine paying 700 for a Titan X, 500 for a 980 TI, and if the next nvidia cards have everything on them, the price wars start as they trade blows for the price performance crown to fight to get your money, imagine intel cpu's getting a six core for 300, 400-500 for an eight core, and paying 600-700 for one of intels new upcoming crazy cpu's that are are going to be over 1k MSRP for a none extreme cpu if AMD can make at least a CPU that can be competitive against Intel.

Nobody cares about ashes of the singularity except people who are on the amd wagon.
 
Here is a good rise of the tomb raider review with amd getting stomped... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/03/28/rise_tomb_raider_dx11_vs_dx12_review/
 
Hitman/Quantum Break are only 1-2 months old.
 
Old reivew of rise of the tomb raider... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/15/rise_tomb_raider_video_card_performance_review/
 
Conclusion: Games/Drivers need time to improve. Initial results don't mean anything.
 
 
 

donta1979

Sajin
 
Nobody cares about ashes of the singularity except people who are on the amd wagon.
 
Here is a good rise of the tomb raider review with amd getting stomped... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/03/28/rise_tomb_raider_dx11_vs_dx12_review/
 
Hitman/Quantum Break are only 1-2 months old.
 
Old reivew of rise of the tomb raider... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/15/rise_tomb_raider_video_card_performance_review/
 
Conclusion: Games/Drivers need time to improve. Initial results don't mean anything.
 
 
 

You might want to look at the updated reviews on those DX12 games with more mature drivers that got released in the past couple of weeks=) Not ones with older drivers from 4-5 months ago. At least you tried=)

March 28 is pretty recent. Why don't you post some links?

donta1979
Let you do the digging yourself, since you feel the need to defend=) Drivers you need to look for  AMD Radeon Software Crimson 16.4.2 driver and GeForce 364.72 WHQL driver

Oh like this...
 

 

atfrico

Sajin

donta1979

fearpoint

donta1979
You should start looking at the DX12 benchmarks/re-benchmarks over the past week or so the gains in performance have been amazing. Most companies going to AMD for a majority of the titles this year as well. As most studios are tired of nvidia, gameworks leading to angry customers. I have been seeing the R9 380 trading hard blows with the GTX 980, the Fury/Nano/Fury X slamming the 980 TI and Titan X in gaming benchmarks, and in rare occurrences the R9 390x doing the same.

I can honestly say as an over decade long nvidia pure fan moving to my R9 Fury X has been one of my better purchases in a long time, my favorite cards have been the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500, ATI X800m, 8800 GTX Ultra, 280 GTX FTW, GTX 480, GTX Titan and now the AMD R9 Fury X.
 
As AMD picks up momentum in the GPU market with a quality product and amazing drivers, hope to see them pick up their game in the CPU market. We as consumers need them to succeed badly no matter what side of the fence we are on be it gpu's or cpu's. 

Read it on the internet. Must be legit!
 
Hands down one of the most delusional replies I've read on these forums.

Nope just Guru3d and OC3D =) Not very delusional hate to inform you, the reason for this is nvidia cheaped out on its consumers didn't include what was needed for DX12 in their GPU's to run smoothly to charge more for less, thus they do DX12 so poorly. It is part of the reason I do not have a Shiny new Titan X in my PC right now, lacking core workstation backbone features as a consumer it was originally intended for. So with DX12 becoming a thing everyone that has purchased nvidia Maxwell card/cards guess what open your wallets again this year. As someone who is also a developer and has worked in the AAA industry, still have friends working in the industry that is their main complaint Nvidia Gameworks, angry customers, many older other nvidia sponsored tech games not even running on Maxwell, to their almost six hundred and fifty to one thousand dollar cards performing like a potato in DX12. To Nvidia becoming complacent with their charging more for less. They did it with all series of Maxwell all the way up to their top offerings.

Also going to add how is competition a bad thing? It lowers prices, imagine paying 700 for a Titan X, 500 for a 980 TI, and if the next nvidia cards have everything on them, the price wars start as they trade blows for the price performance crown to fight to get your money, imagine intel cpu's getting a six core for 300, 400-500 for an eight core, and paying 600-700 for one of intels new upcoming crazy cpu's that are are going to be over 1k MSRP for a none extreme cpu if AMD can make at least a CPU that can be competitive against Intel.

Nobody cares about ashes of the singularity except people who are on the amd wagon.
 
Here is a good rise of the tomb raider review with amd getting stomped... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/03/28/rise_tomb_raider_dx11_vs_dx12_review/
 
Hitman/Quantum Break are only 1-2 months old.
 
Old reivew of rise of the tomb raider... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/15/rise_tomb_raider_video_card_performance_review/
 
Conclusion: Games/Drivers need time to improve. Initial results don't mean anything.
 
 
 

Get this straight, AMD is not the money whore, Nvidia is. If you don't understand that, i will be happy to take you to reality lane.

Prices for 980 ti & Fury X look to be about the same right now. Right now on newegg you can buy a 980 ti for $590. A Fury X will cost you $620.
 

 
Both GPU's selected were the cheapest ones listed on newegg. Looks like AMD is the one money grubbing. 

Sajin

atfrico

Sajin

donta1979

fearpoint

donta1979
You should start looking at the DX12 benchmarks/re-benchmarks over the past week or so the gains in performance have been amazing. Most companies going to AMD for a majority of the titles this year as well. As most studios are tired of nvidia, gameworks leading to angry customers. I have been seeing the R9 380 trading hard blows with the GTX 980, the Fury/Nano/Fury X slamming the 980 TI and Titan X in gaming benchmarks, and in rare occurrences the R9 390x doing the same.

I can honestly say as an over decade long nvidia pure fan moving to my R9 Fury X has been one of my better purchases in a long time, my favorite cards have been the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500, ATI X800m, 8800 GTX Ultra, 280 GTX FTW, GTX 480, GTX Titan and now the AMD R9 Fury X.
 
As AMD picks up momentum in the GPU market with a quality product and amazing drivers, hope to see them pick up their game in the CPU market. We as consumers need them to succeed badly no matter what side of the fence we are on be it gpu's or cpu's. 

Read it on the internet. Must be legit!
 
Hands down one of the most delusional replies I've read on these forums.

Nope just Guru3d and OC3D =) Not very delusional hate to inform you, the reason for this is nvidia cheaped out on its consumers didn't include what was needed for DX12 in their GPU's to run smoothly to charge more for less, thus they do DX12 so poorly. It is part of the reason I do not have a Shiny new Titan X in my PC right now, lacking core workstation backbone features as a consumer it was originally intended for. So with DX12 becoming a thing everyone that has purchased nvidia Maxwell card/cards guess what open your wallets again this year. As someone who is also a developer and has worked in the AAA industry, still have friends working in the industry that is their main complaint Nvidia Gameworks, angry customers, many older other nvidia sponsored tech games not even running on Maxwell, to their almost six hundred and fifty to one thousand dollar cards performing like a potato in DX12. To Nvidia becoming complacent with their charging more for less. They did it with all series of Maxwell all the way up to their top offerings.

Also going to add how is competition a bad thing? It lowers prices, imagine paying 700 for a Titan X, 500 for a 980 TI, and if the next nvidia cards have everything on them, the price wars start as they trade blows for the price performance crown to fight to get your money, imagine intel cpu's getting a six core for 300, 400-500 for an eight core, and paying 600-700 for one of intels new upcoming crazy cpu's that are are going to be over 1k MSRP for a none extreme cpu if AMD can make at least a CPU that can be competitive against Intel.

Nobody cares about ashes of the singularity except people who are on the amd wagon.
 
Here is a good rise of the tomb raider review with amd getting stomped... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/03/28/rise_tomb_raider_dx11_vs_dx12_review/
 
Hitman/Quantum Break are only 1-2 months old.
 
Old reivew of rise of the tomb raider... http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/15/rise_tomb_raider_video_card_performance_review/
 
Conclusion: Games/Drivers need time to improve. Initial results don't mean anything.
 
 
 

Get this straight, AMD is not the money whore, Nvidia is. If you don't understand that, i will be happy to take you to reality lane.

Prices for 980 ti & Fury X look to be about the same right now. Right now on newegg you can buy a 980 ti for $590. A Fury X will cost you $620.
 

 
Both GPU's selected were the cheapest ones listed on newegg. Looks like AMD is the one money grubbing. 

 on this only right? you are focusing on it now or history wise? AMD comes with DX 12 FULLY supported your GT980ti does not

AMD Pro Duo review...
 

 
What happened AMD?

rjohnson11
http://www.techpowerup.com/222007/amd-polaris-10-ellesmere-as-fast-as-gtx-980-ti-rumor
 
at a USD $300-ish price point...but this is still rumor

Sajin
AMD Pro Duo review...
 

 
What happened AMD?

Look first post, look below as a matter of fact your youtube link doesnt relate to the post. Stick with it or stay out of it.
 
Ashes it or not you are still living in the past. I dont, i am going with RJ post  Read Mcfly! Read
 

rjohnson11
http://www.techpowerup.com/222007/amd-polaris-10-ellesmere-as-fast-as-gtx-980-ti-rumor
 
at a USD $300-ish price point...but this is still rumor

I find it comical and sad, that the justification is one game, a heavy gameworks game at that as you can see the performance is pathetic  on both teams, but even with a cpu bottleneck AMD is trailing behind their competitors still using a tech that is meant to work on nvidia only gpu's and when a nvidia gpu is not present the load goes to the CPU. 
 
With our own game in my studio, we are using our own open source alternative to gameworks that will use the hardware on both Nvidia and AMD, let us tweak its settings, and since nvidia GPU's lack the DX12 shader tech, we cannot get the same performance on Nvidia as we do AMD. With our gameworks open source alternative enabled or not, unless we disable it for AMD GPU's from using it and direct it to the cpu like Nvidia does with gameworks then we get similar performance. We Disable our opensource gameworks alternative AMD like in Hitman mops the floor with Nvidia since AMD actually included that shader tech to its customers like it was supposed to and not save a buck to charge more for less. The joys of being a developer and no we don't have amd or nvidia offering to streamline our game;)

As the industry stands now nvidia is not really winning anything unless you really want to pay more for less, and use old tech and dx11 for the next 5 years or so. It wont stand still for an overpriced cardline, so very soon you will be scrambling to buy new gpu's that have what you paid for in the first place DX12 support. 

Because I am feeling generous and your google foo is lacking Ill throw you a bone http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/hitman_2016_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html A game that has no special gameworks type features closed source/open source or otherwise, that truly uses pure DX12. 

You guys are jumping the gun. Nvidia wins in majority of DX11 titles. DX12 titles are new and need more time for optimization. Like i said... initial results don't mean anything.

atfrico

Sajin
You guys are jumping the gun. Nvidia wins in majority of DX11 titles. DX12 titles are new and need more time for optimization. Like i said... initial results don't mean anything.

It is not about jumping the gun, its about being on top of things. AMD is a small company compare to Nvidia you still fail seeing this. You are not supposed to wait, Nvidia should cover this.

Just because amd is winning in a few select brand new games means their the best? LOL. I don't think so. Nvidia wins in majority of titles buddy. 

EVGATech_BrandonS
 

donta1979
since nvidia GPU's lack the DX12 shader tech, we cannot get the same performance on Nvidia as we do AMD.

Can you explain what this means? Everything I've read says that AMD is the one that isn't fully DirectX 12 compliant, since they're missing support for DX12_1, as seen HERE, which Maxwell currently supports. 

+1

They are winning games that don't have gameworks and support DX12. Any game that is pure dx12 without any closed source eye candy one sided GPU team software AMD wins hands down, and the games that have gameworks and dx12 AMD is right behind. No driver magic will be able to put the physical shader support onto the Maxwell gpus, they have to be on the chip physically. Thats why nvidia's response has been silence, and why they have pushed gameworks so hard and been paying to have it injected into games.
 
 
As a developer, the gaming industry has about had enough of their shenanigans. Poor performance with their gameworks tech on both teams, some older games that had the foundation of pre gameworks features not even running on Maxwell, don't believe me hit up Anshel Sag aka Russianhaxor.
That's why you are seeing many of the big AAA companies say OK AMD even though you are not paying us we will work with you, we have to win back our customer base this is getting to the point its hurting profits and opening us up for lawsuits. It boils down to at the end of the day Maxwell does not have the DX12 shader tech, even though they claim their cards are DX12 ready yeah ready but at acceptable frames with today's hardware and higher resolutions? No what nvidia has done has only hurt themselves in the game industry, as the industry tries to move forward. It has hurt you as a consumer it helps them though as you will be forced this year and the next to go buy a Shiny nvidia gpu if you need one or not if you intend to play all the latest games in their DX12 features. Something Maxwell does not do but Pascal will, since they can no longer get away with charging more for less. They have known this since 2011 so its no surprise.
 
It boils down you got suckered into over paying for stripped down, not true dx12 ready GPU's, then had your performance hindered with gameworks when you should be at a good 70+ FPS and you are getting 5X and below that is a nice looking keep the comptitions numbers down feature to make you blindly buy a lesser product, and its the reason why no Maxwell gpu will perform amazing in any DX12 game, Even one like Hitman that has no gameworks/open source gameworks type features. No amount of drivers will make Maxwell grow those DX12 shaders that should had been there in the first place. Your only choice buy a new video card this year as Pascal hits. That's why nvidia has been very silent on the issue... They don't want another lawsuit like they had with the GTX 970 but this one would be much more damaging. Its kind of like after the 400 series when nvidia stripped the logical proccessing cores & double precision from their gpu's and then put them back onto a gpu that they called a Titan and put its price at 1k for something that used to cost us 200-700 dollars for from the 8000 series to the 400 series. Starting to see the trend yet? Its really a 1+1=2