If those partners have any sense, they'll slash the prices even further than what was reported.
There's no reason at this point to go for one of these instead of a GTX 970. Especially if the AMD offerings continue to be more pricey.

You make it sound as though Nvidia has never been in the same situation in the last few years. Both trade blows with who ends up having the loader fan, more energy consumption and running hotter every time a new series comes out.

Sounds like a bad business strategy to me

lehpron
With the shortages of GTX900's, I don't see the big deal you guys are making this out to be.  High demand + low supply = high prices of GTX900's, even the GTX960 is reportedly getting postponed.  I'm sure AMD saw this coming and felt their regular MSRP would be quite competitive against Maxwell cards with ever soaring prices because people have to have it and can't wait-- I'm not exactly sympathetic to folks like that.

http://forums.evga.com/Nv...-channel-m2231726.aspx

VequalsITR
290 is 299
290x 399
 
as of 10-9-14

290X is still 555$ in my country. AMD is probably only cutting prices in the US/Canada.

 
Nvidia will continue to be the better of the two.

Boogyman93

XrayMan
 
Nvidia will continue to be the better of the two.

If you are referring to Nvidia being better than AMD, then I will have to disagree. As it stands, in my opinion anyway, AMD is currently the better choice. Since the 6000 series they have been bringing good competition to the market and recently, even better technologies. Thanks to AMD's Mantle, we now see Microsoft bringing us DX12 which will also be a low level API. AMD will give us a much cheaper alternative to G-Sync by supporting DisplayPort's adaptive-sync and further improve the gaming market. And they were the first to be truly ready for 4k with the 4Gb frame buffer and the 512bit interface (excluding the Titan due to it's ridiculously high price).

I am not a fan of one side or of the other. I like both companies and both offer great products. The choice comes down to simple preferences and I chose Mantle over PhysX and FreeSync over G-Sync.

This is my 3rd time writing this but i keep hitting a button on my phone and erasing everything... so shortening it up.

AMD solution for making more powerful gpus which just add more electricity. Example: 290x tdp was 290, the more powerul 780ti was 250. 980 is 170, while the 380x/390x sneak peaks appear to have 2 8 pin connectors telling us it has a tdp of 300+ and is still on 28nm like the 980. So innovation for gpu hardware has been very poor for AMD imo.

Mantle I will tip my hat to, as it helped low level cpus and pushed to get dx12 finished. My only complaint is that they publicized how it would help high end cpus as much as 30% and that never came true. It was a couple of fps on i5s using a 270x from the reviews i saw. Never kept up with it since

With a new CEO, and investors (not consumers) calling out to pull out of the GPU race and focus on server cpus and apus. I see them refocusing on just that. I believe this is a knee jerk reaction to the losses or low profits over the last few years. Anyways we may see AMD stop fighting a two front war and focus on a single front.

seta8967

Boogyman93

XrayMan
 
Nvidia will continue to be the better of the two.

If you are referring to Nvidia being better than AMD, then I will have to disagree. As it stands, in my opinion anyway, AMD is currently the better choice. Since the 6000 series they have been bringing good competition to the market and recently, even better technologies. Thanks to AMD's Mantle, we now see Microsoft bringing us DX12 which will also be a low level API. AMD will give us a much cheaper alternative to G-Sync by supporting DisplayPort's adaptive-sync and further improve the gaming market. And they were the first to be truly ready for 4k with the 4Gb frame buffer and the 512bit interface (excluding the Titan due to it's ridiculously high price).

I am not a fan of one side or of the other. I like both companies and both offer great products. The choice comes down to simple preferences and I chose Mantle over PhysX and FreeSync over G-Sync.

This is my 3rd time writing this but i keep hitting a button on my phone and erasing everything... so shortening it up.

AMD solution for making more powerful gpus which just add more electricity. Example: 290x tdp was 290, the more powerul 780ti was 250. 980 is 170, while the 380x/390x sneak peaks appear to have 2 8 pin connectors telling us it has a tdp of 300+ and is still on 28nm like the 980. So innovation for gpu hardware has been very poor for AMD imo.

http://wccftech.com/amd-20nm-r9-390x-feautres-20nm-hbm-9x-faster-than-gddr5/
The R9-390X and 380X will be built on the 20nm process node and will use 3D stacked memory. The 390X will also use one 6-pin and one 8-pin connector and the competitor to the GTX 980 will be the R9-380X which will probaly also have 2x 6-pin connectors. The 20nm process isn't that much of an innovation, but the 3D stacked memory sure looks good to me.

Drazhar

Boogyman93

seta8967

Boogyman93

XrayMan

Nvidia will continue to be the better of the two.

If you are referring to Nvidia being better than AMD, then I will have to disagree. As it stands, in my opinion anyway, AMD is currently the better choice. Since the 6000 series they have been bringing good competition to the market and recently, even better technologies. Thanks to AMD's Mantle, we now see Microsoft bringing us DX12 which will also be a low level API. AMD will give us a much cheaper alternative to G-Sync by supporting DisplayPort's adaptive-sync and further improve the gaming market. And they were the first to be truly ready for 4k with the 4Gb frame buffer and the 512bit interface (excluding the Titan due to it's ridiculously high price).

I am not a fan of one side or of the other. I like both companies and both offer great products. The choice comes down to simple preferences and I chose Mantle over PhysX and FreeSync over G-Sync.

This is my 3rd time writing this but i keep hitting a button on my phone and erasing everything... so shortening it up.

AMD solution for making more powerful gpus which just add more electricity. Example: 290x tdp was 290, the more powerul 780ti was 250. 980 is 170, while the 380x/390x sneak peaks appear to have 2 8 pin connectors telling us it has a tdp of 300+ and is still on 28nm like the 980. So innovation for gpu hardware has been very poor for AMD imo.

http://wccftech.com/amd-20nm-r9-390x-feautres-20nm-hbm-9x-faster-than-gddr5/
The R9-390X and 380X will be built on the 20nm process node and will use 3D stacked memory. The 390X will also use one 6-pin and one 8-pin connector and the competitor to the GTX 980 will be the R9-380X which will probaly also have 2x 6-pin connectors. The 20nm process isn't that much of an innovation, but the 3D stacked memory sure looks good to me.

I thought AMD was intending to skip 20nm entirely?

I'm not particularly sure I believe this report.

The old CEO said they were skipping 20nm. We have reports that they will use 20nm from "trusted sources". We have seen prototype shells using 2 8 pin connectors, we have rumors it has a lower tdp than 970. Basically we cant believe anything until AMD puts it out. People may be spreading runors to hype up the 300 series, or troll Nvidia fans.

Stephenk291
Its a shame intel crushed AMD. If AMD could get their crap together it would be nice to see a processor company challenge intel again...oh the days of the Athlon x2.

I really doubt AMD can make a comeback with processors. Even if their investors scream for it. I also think they are not losing the gpu wars, but Nvidia is playing with them. This is hood because it drives prices down for older and lower nvidia models.

Stephenk291
Probably not, but if it did it would allow AMD to be more competitive overall which is good for the consumer. I just worry AMD isn't innovating/staying ahead of the curve enough with their GPU's to remain solvent.  AMD should probably just scrap going after desktops/servers and focus on consoles/mobile devices.
Intel at least isn't jacking up the prices on their cpu's despite having no true competition.

They could make a market in consoles and maybe laptops. I just dont see it being competitive in processors.

huf757
Oh i know nvidia had. I wish AMD would just work on new innovations, like they did with mantle, but for their GPUs. They also need to let eVGA make cards..

Amd will not let EVGA make cards for them? I was under the impression EVGA only wanted to sell Nvidia exclusively.

There was a discussion a few months ago. Evga approached AMD, and AMD said they didnt want to degrade the quality of AMD with too many manufacturer companies and 8 (think it was 8) was enough.

seta8967

huf757
Oh i know nvidia had. I wish AMD would just work on new innovations, like they did with mantle, but for their GPUs. They also need to let eVGA make cards..

Amd will not let EVGA make cards for them? I was under the impression EVGA only wanted to sell Nvidia exclusively.

There was a discussion a few months ago. Evga approached AMD, and AMD said they didnt want to degrade the quality of AMD with too many manufacturer companies and 8 (think it was 8) was enough.

That was a rumor from 2008, which is false:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2008/08/02/evga-wanted-to-sell-ati-card/
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/04/evga-we-are-110-percent-nvidia/
 
There have been other discussions about EVGA and AMD on the forums, but the one you're referring to is from over 6 years ago.

was reading on this, and seen a few things i wanted to comment on. 
1st someone made a statement about letting EVGA make AMD cards.
my response is this: AMD has Sapphire and HIS companies dedicated to making AMD cards. and as much as i do like EVGA products such as MOBO's and power supplies. i have little desire for there GPU's. in fact for Nvidia GPU's i have yet to see a company that makes Nvidia cards produce a GPU with cleaner and crisper graphics outputs as Sapphire puts out since BFG stopped making GPU's for Nvidia. and me personally am looking forward to getting away from any Nvidia GPU's and back to Sapphire AMD's GPU's. I miss that crystal clear picture Sapphire GPU cards put out. but thats not me saying i am a AMD fanboy. but i am a Sapphire fanboy. so if Sapphire made Nvidia i would be all over it. i've tried GPU's made by numerous companies, and other then BFG that no longer makes GPU's i have just not been happy with the the picture output over Sapphire. i've tried, Sapphire, HIS, EVGA, ASUS, MSI, XFX, and POWERCOLOR with different GPU's. past 3 years i have gone through roughly 30 GPU's trying to find one i am happy with for picture quality and graphics crispness since my Sapphire 4850 became outdated. needless to say GO AMD because they have Sapphire.......sorry EVGA. i love your other products though.
 
now for the next thing i wanted to comment on:
Nvidia and AMD have been duking it out for a long time. one year Nvidia wins by who's GPU's bench the best and have highest scores. wich are less power hungry and quiter and so on and so forth. but the reality is simply this. it's not a matter of AMD is quiter then Nvidia or vise versa. it's more a battle of witch manufacturer makes the quietest and most efficient non-reference coolers. and not to forget on AMD not costing as much as Nvidia is pretty simple. Nvidia plays cutthroat with AMD on a lot of technology, and Nvidia is very dirty about it. for instance "physx" i mean really? physx was being made by another company, then Nvidia went and bought them out. now because of Nvidia's greed the only way to use physx is to have a Nvidia card and only Nvidia card in your system. and god forbid you have a AMD GPU as your main and try to use a Nvidia for dedicated physx. Nvidia is so greedy they make physx disabled just because there is a AMD card in the system even if it's not your main graphics card.  bet AMD will never force a disable of mantel just because you use a Nvidia GPU as your main and AMD just for mantel..... thats saying it was possible to begin with. not to mention it has only been the past year maybe 2 Nvidia could compete with AMD when playing higher resolutions if i remember correctly. i mean sure Nvidia would smoke AMD at 1080p. but the bigger the res got the better AMD would out perform Nvidia. but i know this is just a fanboy debate anyhow. Nvidia fanboys will always be bias twards AMD as AMD fanboys will do the same with Nvidia. but the reality of all this is, both AMD and Nvidia are equally deserving of being ran. the real question for non-fanboys is simply this.... What features do you like best and what works best for your style of game play? do you like Physx with the extra debre and smoke ect. or do you want a performance increase with mantel?
 
me personally since i have a I7 OC'ed to 4.5ghz that runs any physx  amazingly well. i want to go back to AMD GPU's with the new r9 300 series in February. and specifically a Sapphire made AMD GPU :0).

At least he mwde mention of his bias before saying something as nonsensical as better picture quality through sapphire. That's your monitor's job.