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2014/11/02 09:19:57 (permalink)
Current Drivers install. client-type is set to advanced on all Rigs.
1 GTX Titan FAILED after 58% Note: It crashed as the background image changed on the Desktop. Wonder if this is a Known Issue?
Funning I did get 7,363 Credits and one WU 1
 
3 GTX 780
2 AMD R9 290x
 
Current Status http://weather.mfc-cs.com/haf/ Today Only
AMD seems to really be the best card for Folding ATM.
I would like to test out the new 970/980 but FAH still needs to work on Core 18.
I am not really see a bright future for FAH with the dropping of BA next year and the really poor performance of NVIDIA GPU's and Core 15, Lack of Core 17 and the Missing Core 18.
I would like to keep folding but really do not want to use AMD cards to do so.
While AMD Folds really well they are not really supported in BOINC GPU Projects and I do want to do both.
  
Status Progress Name Client TPF PPD ETA Core Core ID Project Credit
Finishing 14% Foldit-1-EVGA-GTX-Titan Slot 00 GPU 00:06:05 195158.3 (2.367 WUs) 08:43:10 ZETA 17 P13001 (R449, C6, G34) 82445.4
Finishing 20% Foldit-2-AMD-R9-290X Slot 00 GPU 00:05:24 233455.9 (2.667 WUs) 07:12:00 ZETA 17 P13000 (R1775, C0, G90) 87546
Finishing 53% Foldit-2-AMD-R9-290X Slot 01 GPU 00:02:07 226057.2 (6.803 WUs) 01:39:29 ZETA 17 P9201 (R729, C2, G2) 33228.3
Finishing 13% Foldit-3-EVGA-GTX 780 Slot 00 GPU 00:07:34 141135.4 (1.903 WUs) 10:58:18 ZETA 17 P13001 (R136, C5, G48) 74161.4
Finishing 13% Foldit-3-EVGA-GTX 780 Slot 01 GPU 00:07:33 141582.2 (1.907 WUs) 10:56:51 ZETA 17 P13000 (R199, C2, G61) 74232.3
Finishing 13% Foldit-3-EVGA-GTX 780 Slot 02 GPU 00:07:18 148576.4 (1.973 WUs) 10:35:06 ZETA 17 P13000 (R338, C0, G40) 75320

 
 
I dropped BA this passed Spring and moved my 4P & 2P over the BOINC Projects.
So for most of our BA Folders what are your Plans for next year when BA Projects are stopped?
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/02 10:02:05 (permalink)
    Doesn't look great but I'll see what smp goes like (unless that's stopping too?) otherwise the 4P rigs are going Crunching full time.

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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/02 10:22:52 (permalink)
    On the other side for GPU only I was looking at the ASUS ARESIII-8GD5 Graphics Cards ARESIII-8GD5  Price:$1,499.00 on Amazon Newegg Same Price
    About the same cost as the Titan Z with Hydro Copper installed from EVGA's Web Site well really for $1,675.00 Not in Stock ATM.
    Still want to split power but may have to wait until 2015 Summer Time.
     
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/02 10:28:11 (permalink)
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    Doesn't look great but I'll see what smp goes like (unless that's stopping too?) otherwise the 4P rigs are going Crunching full time.

    BadBertie Glad to see you Crunching and I did forget the SMP Task but running one Task with 60 Cores as to running 60 Tasks on 60 Cores Crunching.
    I should give SMP at least one go around on both my 4P and 2P.
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/02 12:20:13 (permalink)
    bill1024
    I found the 4P do around 50-60% PPD on SMP WUs VS BIGADV
    My 24 thread dual x5650 right now is doing 58,000 PPD SMP
    Servers do well crunching, what they lack in speed per core, they make up in volume of WU output.
    There are tons of SMP WUs that need to be folded, there is a backlog since most do not fold them with their low PPD.


    Are you then running one Task Per Server or did you split up your Cores to run 4 Tasks one per CPU?
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/02 22:14:07 (permalink)
    I am going to try two rigs with two 980's each and see how they perform.  May not be bad given the changes that are being communicated.  MY three 780 Ti's continue to be a rock solid performer.  Also upgrading CPUs to all 4960X's.  This will also help, I think based on my research.



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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 05:25:22 (permalink)
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    I am going to try two rigs with two 980's each and see how they perform.  May not be bad given the changes that are being communicated.  MY three 780 Ti's continue to be a rock solid performer.  Also upgrading CPUs to all 4960X's.  This will also help, I think based on my research.



    Just as a heads up, been getting core15 work units pretty much all this month so far. Only 1 or 2 core17's so far. 
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 08:00:43 (permalink)
    Thanks, I have not started my Folding yet this month.  Will after I clean out my rig this week.



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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 08:09:53 (permalink)
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    I am going to try two rigs with two 980's each and see how they perform.  May not be bad given the changes that are being communicated.  MY three 780 Ti's continue to be a rock solid performer.  Also upgrading CPUs to all 4960X's.  This will also help, I think based on my research.


    I wonder if your 780Ti will do better than a Titan as shown below. Post your credit after about 20% completed to compare. 

    Thanks
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 08:22:12 (permalink)
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    I am going to try two rigs with two 980's each and see how they perform.  May not be bad given the changes that are being communicated.  MY three 780 Ti's continue to be a rock solid performer.  Also upgrading CPUs to all 4960X's.  This will also help, I think based on my research.


    I wonder if your 780Ti will do better than a Titan as shown below. Post your credit after about 20% completed to compare. 

    Thanks


    How do I get the information you have here so I can make sure I am giving you the right information.



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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 09:27:23 (permalink)
    Once BA hits eol I plan on putting a 970 in each board like opolis did with his 560. I'll switch the cpu to crunching and have 2 970 for folding.


     
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 12:38:00 (permalink)
     
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    I am going to try two rigs with two 980's each and see how they perform.  May not be bad given the changes that are being communicated.  MY three 780 Ti's continue to be a rock solid performer.  Also upgrading CPUs to all 4960X's.  This will also help, I think based on my research.


    I wonder if your 780Ti will do better than a Titan as shown below. Post your credit after about 20% completed to compare. 

    Thanks


    How do I get the information you have here so I can make sure I am giving you the right information.


    From http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=652807 this is from your account, bottom right of the web page.
    Under Hourly Production as shown below for my Points.

     
     The Info from the image is from HFM.NET 0.9.2.712
    My HFM Site, I copy the data from my HFM site and past into Excel and clean up the extra data.
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 12:46:38 (permalink)
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    Once BA hits eol I plan on putting a 970 in each board like opolis did with his 560. I'll switch the cpu to crunching and have 2 970 for folding.

    I still have not seen any Credits or Points post for the 970 or 980 cards, if they Fold better than the Titan and R9 290X then I might take a look.
    But my R9 290X Pull more then 6000 points and at least 1.5 hours less time then any of my NVIDIA Rigs.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 13:32:37 (permalink)
    I have 3 2p rigs and plenty of PCIe slots, I will be switching to SMP and maybe some GPU thrown in, especially since one board has 7 slots  

      


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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 14:29:38 (permalink)
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    Once BA hits eol I plan on putting a 970 in each board like opolis did with his 560. I'll switch the cpu to crunching and have 2 970 for folding.

    I still have not seen any Credits or Points post for the 970 or 980 cards, if they Fold better than the Titan and R9 290X then I might take a look.
    But my R9 290X Pull more then 6000 points and at least 1.5 hours less time then any of my NVIDIA Rigs.


    You must of missed this thread.
    http://forums.evga.com/So...-get-one-m2218148.aspx


    I did read all of it, from http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2219413 they are saying  269K on Core 17 with 1 GTX980. That is 120K more a day than my Titan.
     
    I do see only about 36K over my AMD R2 290X and only 74K over my Titan Test that I ran this passed week.

     
    Still we are plagued with Core 15 even on the 970/980 but I know FAH is working on Core 18 as well.
    Only Core 17 is really supported ATM.
     
    Now this is Good News: http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2224723 Over 300K PPD on one 980 Card.
     
    Thanks bill1024 I did forget about that Post.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/03 18:55:55 (permalink)
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    I have had only core 17 WUs for the last few days.
    Running the advanced flag on a 660Ti GPU
     
    The numbers look pretty good on the 979/980 GPUs
    Putting out numbers equal to or better than some  4P bigadv systems.




    Yea pretty sure its only the gtx 970/980 getting the core 15's. Since the start of the month I have only gotten maybe 4. Tried with advanced flag and no flag, no change. 
     
    And yea bcavnaugh, with a mild overclock the gtx 980 can get about 300k ppd without to much pain. Just need some core 17's 
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/07 07:03:05 (permalink)
    Not sure about that.  I just started my rig for Folding this month, my 4930K and 3 780Ti's are running at over 700,000 points per day.  This will vary, but I usually start off strong like this, then in a few days it drops to around 500,000 point per day.  Since I just started it, I cannot post the data for you, but will later in the weekend to show what I am getting and how things are working for my 4930K and 780Ti's.  I will begin my two 980 builds over the next few weeks, so in December I will be able to get some decent numbers on what the 980's are doing.  Maybe Stanford just likes me better than you guys.  I also do not do anything with the coding, just take what they give me.  More to come.  I should have started this earlier this month, because now this will delay my tear down for cleaning this rig and draining my loop.  I will be busy later this month and I am glad I am beginning to get feel better from my surgery.  Here is what I got right now, so I included the month production as well:
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/07 08:26:10 (permalink)
    I also support the "utilize your pci-e slots" mentality.  Add a gpu to those server boards and switch the cpu's to crunching (BOINC manager) or regular SMP.  One 970 can pretty much outperform my 4p w/opteron 8435's anyway.  You can get a powered usb pci-e riser for $5 on amazon.

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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/07 14:50:00 (permalink)
    Well I may have gotten a Core 17 P13001 on my GTX 780 but it will take over 18 hours to complete TPF is 7.18 PPD 148204.2 (1.968 WUs) Credit only 75K.
    Even My GTX 780 are not well suited for Folding anymore, oh yea I am running Driver 344.60 too.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 07:34:36 (permalink)
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    So for most of our BA Folders what are your Plans for next year when BA Projects are stopped?



    No plan yet.. Still in denial, I guess. I can't image there going to let go all these top end servers. I keep thinking they would redo the QRB for SMP that would create something comparable to the BA PPD.
     
    I'll have to so do some soul searching, but it's not likely I'll continue the $300 per month electric bill for 40% of the PPD. More likely I'll move over to support the Crunching team.
     

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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 08:43:52 (permalink)
     My points have gone through the floor.  Here is the latest from the last two days.  Started off at around 700,000 ppd and now I am at 188,000 ppd.  Interesting stuff going on.
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 08:46:57 (permalink)
    Sad that my AMD R2 290X can get almost 500,000 PPS on two cards yet my 3 GTX 780 can only see maybe 200,000 PPD.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 08:51:11 (permalink)
    Very sad.  Not sure what is going on.  Seems like something strange is going on, as I am seeing the same thing with 3 780 Ti's.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 09:57:01 (permalink)
    Yea, core 15's and core 18's happening. My gtx 980 has been doing anywhere from 320k points down to 150-120k points depending on how many of those core 15/18 I have to go though. 
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 10:01:12 (permalink)
    Well like what FAH told us a months ago that it is a NVIDIA Driver Problem and not ours.
    Yet around the same time FAH stated that they had fixed the AMD issues and now AMD cards are doing really well.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 19:40:05 (permalink)
    I am now down to under 100,000 ppd.  What the heck is going on?  Should I go back to an older driver?



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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 19:47:31 (permalink)
    i have been running nvidia gpu's since i started folding but about 4 months ago i started trading them off for AMD gpu's an now have 5 out of 6 gpu's are now AMD cards folding for around 1 million ppd total for all 6 gpu's
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    Re: AMD -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 19:56:01 (permalink)
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    I am now down to under 100,000 ppd.  What the heck is going on?  Should I go back to an older driver?


    I really do not see that it would help on your GTX 780Ti or any other card anymore.
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/08 20:21:42 (permalink)
    Grey_Beard
    I am now down to under 100,000 ppd.  What the heck is going on?  Should I go back to an older driver?




    What core and projects are you running? They can all give wildly different ppd. 
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    heikosch
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    Re: ADM -v- NVIDIA Less 970/980 Cards BA Stopping Next Year, what will our BA users do? 2014/11/09 02:27:03 (permalink)
    Grey_Beard
    I am now down to under 100,000 ppd.  What the heck is going on?  Should I go back to an older driver?
    100k PPD is a little bit too low for 3 GTX 780 Ti, should never be less than 200k-250k PPD also with the worst projects.
    Which projects do you currently fold?
     
    Heiko




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