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2012/06/17 07:18:37 (permalink)
Title explains it all
Oh and processor is at stock speeds
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 08:45:49 (permalink)
Well the turbo boost on this processor can put it as high as 3.8GHZ so I believe you will be quite fine. The only thing I don't like about this processor is lack of hyperthreading.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 08:57:38 (permalink)
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Title explains it all
Oh and processor is at stock speeds

 
Bottleneck, no.  You will get better performance (could be as much as 5-8 percent) by overclocking that beauty.  However the lack of hyperthreading won't hold you back in gaming.  There are only a couple games that I know of that can or will utilize more than 4 cores.  Heck, look at the 2500k vs 2600k...No difference virtually (again in gaming).





 
 
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 10:07:35 (permalink)
buying K processor and not overclocking is like buying a steak and not eating it. return it immediately for a normal 3570 if you dont plan to overclock. do it now. someone out there will treat it right. :p

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 10:15:00 (permalink)
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buying K processor and not overclocking is like buying a steak and not eating it. return it immediately for a normal 3570 if you dont plan to overclock. do it now. someone out there will treat it right. :p

 
I didn't want to be the guy to say this, but I agree 100 percent;)
 
 





 
 
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 10:21:14 (permalink)
The OP can always overclock later, let's say if they sli'd or something. 

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 10:25:13 (permalink)
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buying K processor and not overclocking is like buying a steak and not eating it. return it immediately for a normal 3570 if you dont plan to overclock. do it now. someone out there will treat it right. :p


I didn't want to be the guy to say this, but I agree 100 percent;)



 
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 10:47:23 (permalink)
You are not bottlenecked.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 11:04:23 (permalink)
Ofcourse not. Why would you even think it would be? 




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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 11:50:36 (permalink)
Having a bottleneck depends on your games (whether CPU-intensive or GPU-intensive), and whether it bothers you depends on your preferences (if the frame rates are within an acceptable range).  There is no one-size-fits-all obvious.  Those of us that overclock represent less than 1% of anyone that gets a computer, including gaming; there is no rule where you have to and Intel doesn't sell slow processors. Our preferences are why we do it, we aren't smarter than the designers of the CPU to know better what frequency is good.
 
For instance, I have this strategy game were if I changed the CPU frequency, the max detail frame rates are always in the 50's, this means the graphics card is bottlenecking my performance and not the CPU, that getting a better graphics card will raise frame rates considerably.  Except my comfortability minimum is 24 and my complacency minimum is 40, so I'm more than happy with 50 FPS.  To invest in better graphics to raise those rates would be a waste of my money; I might not tell the difference.  If you discover an upgrade didn't do anything, then you have a bottleneck of some kind.  It is unlikely stock would do it, but that depends on your expectations.
 
We overclock because the component can hold back (bottleneck) our game performance preferences; it says nothing about your preferences, therefore you don't have to overclock.  We don't all have the same configuration or play the same games with the same preferences, afterall.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 12:29:17 (permalink)
Aren't you suppose to be happy?  I mean bottle necks are a bad thing...  Just means you got a great setup =D
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 12:35:34 (permalink)
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buying K processor and not overclocking is like buying a steak and not eating it. return it immediately for a normal 3570 if you dont plan to overclock. do it now. someone out there will treat it right. :p

Well I can OC it but only if I need to, if I don't need to i'll just be wasting power on no gain 
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 12:39:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Your normal default speeds should be fine for gaming

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 13:04:27 (permalink)
In a perfect world, ever increasing performance should increase linearly forever with CPU frequency or graphics scaling; but if the performance levels out or doesn't scale, then something is holding it back:  That is the idea of a bottleneck.  Bottleneck are just facts of life, you can't ever get rid of them; anyone that thinks they have has rather made a call due to diminishing returns.   That doesn't mean the bottleneck vanished just because they drew a line in the sand and made a call.  
 
Many think once they increase CPU frequency and frame rates level out, they think they eliminated the bottleneck, yeah the CPU bottleneck is gone, but now they've discovered a new bottleneck relating to resolution or graphics.  In a perfect world, ever increasing CPU frequency should always increase frame rates; it shouldn't level out, but it does.  So they'll upgrade their graphics cards, and they discover the CPU may still hold them back, so they overclock the CPU further or upgrade to a better CPU; the cycle continues.  This is how you can't get rid of a bottleneck; if you can afford to keep up, that's cool; but if you can't then you just have to make a call and get over it. 
 
For me, it just so happens many of my games are GPU-bottlenecked (some are older titles), but because I'm happy with performance, I don't care about it.  If anything is tells me I could have gone with a slower or even older CPU with my choice of games and graphics; or rather I can upgrade graphics and not worry about the CPU at all.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 13:07:57 (permalink)
Dude you have to OC that CPU.  Even it it is just to 4GHZ.  You paid for the ability to do so, so you should do it.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 13:13:14 (permalink)
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Dude you have to OC that CPU.  Even it it is just to 4GHZ.  You paid for the ability to do so, so you should do it.

 
It's like a $10 difference. If you think of it this way, the $10 is already factored into the processor since it has a slight higher clock and higher turbo than the non-unlocked one, then you don't need to factor in the overclocking capability.  
 
The OP can always overclock later like I said when they have SLI'd or have a actual CPU bottleneck.
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 13:17:25 (permalink)
But it is SOOOO easy.  just makes me sad.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 13:18:55 (permalink)
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Dude you have to OC that CPU.  Even it it is just to 4GHZ.  You paid for the ability to do so, so you should do it.


It's like a $10 difference. If you think of it this way, the $10 is already factored into the processor since it has a slight higher clock and higher turbo than the non-unlocked one, then you don't need to factor in the overclocking capability.  

The OP can always overclock later like I said when they have SLI'd or have a actual CPU bottleneck.

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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 13:23:40 (permalink)
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It's like a $10 difference. If you think of it this way, the $10 is already factored into the processor since it has a slight higher clock and higher turbo than the non-unlocked one, then you don't need to factor in the overclocking capability.  

no. they have the same stock clock, 3.3ghz and 3.7ghz turbo. IF you were refering to the 2500k. with the ivy bridge that you might be refering to, there 2 $200 chips, and then step up $10 twice for 2 others. a 'big' jump for $0 in 3450 and 3450s. 2.8ghz vs 3.1ghz. and $20 more for 300mhz core and 300mhz turbo ? no. not worth buying a k series and NOT overclocking it. thats what they were designed for. the same is true for the mobo's.
but anyone buying a k series and not overclocking is wasting the potential of their chip. up to a certain point, you are not using any more power to push it higher. you are not getting "no gain". its unthinkable you would say you would have no gain by overclocking. that doesnt even make sense.
 
psi, what mobo do you have ?
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Re:A i5 3570k is not a bottleneck to a 670 ftw at all? 2012/06/17 14:49:40 (permalink)
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It's like a $10 difference. If you think of it this way, the $10 is already factored into the processor since it has a slight higher clock and higher turbo than the non-unlocked one, then you don't need to factor in the overclocking capability.  

no. they have the same stock clock, 3.3ghz and 3.7ghz turbo. IF you were refering to the 2500k. with the ivy bridge that you might be refering to, there 2 $200 chips, and then step up $10 twice for 2 others. a 'big' jump for $0 in 3450 and 3450s. 2.8ghz vs 3.1ghz. and $20 more for 300mhz core and 300mhz turbo ? no. not worth buying a k series and NOT overclocking it. thats what they were designed for. the same is true for the mobo's.
but anyone buying a k series and not overclocking is wasting the potential of their chip. up to a certain point, you are not using any more power to push it higher. you are not getting "no gain". its unthinkable you would say you would have no gain by overclocking. that doesnt even make sense.

psi, what mobo do you have ?

 
I was referring to the 3570k vs the 3550. I didn't notice the 3570. 

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