EVGA

970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED?

Author
michaelrm1256
New Member
  • Total Posts : 23
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
2015/04/15 04:36:34 (permalink)
Please I would like an official response,
1. IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED?
2. What is the Vram on that model 3975 with Elipda memory rated at?
Because apparently no amount of BIOS modding will allow me go over a GPUZ measured 1.237 volts. ASIC score is 65% although I'm at 1536/7600 or so and Valley stable for about an hour with Fans at 100% and temps never over 65Cish in a 80Fish room. I've read that the ASIC number is not really a indicator of actually OC potential and this appears to be so in this case.
 
It should be noted, I'm not saying I am modding the BIOS properly, or that the MODS I have used are capable of upping the allowed volts. Hopefully someone from engineering can answer this question.
 
Btw card runs fine, no coil whine at all with heavy OC and gaming for hours, fans are by no means loud under 75% and really I don't need to go over that at all. I just don't mind fan noise, I actually find it soothing and cooler is always better.
 Ty EVGA.
post edited by michaelrm1256 - 2015/04/15 05:47:54
#1

19 Replies Related Threads

    ty_ger07
    Insert Custom Title Here
    • Total Posts : 21169
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2008/04/10 23:48:15
    • Location: traveler
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 270
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 06:41:01 (permalink)
    If you want an official response, call EVGA on your phone. This is a user-to-user public forum where forum topics do not necessarily catch the eye of EVGA employees.

    I should also point out:
    1) The voltage reported in GPU-Z is not necessarily accurate. You should measure the actual voltage of the GPU core using a multimeter. It may be that the card, the drivers, or GPU-Z stop reporting voltage changes above a certain point.
    2) All cards are voltage limited at some point. When you hit that limit, there always is a reason why the manufacturer doesn't allow you to go higher. Every component has a specific safe operating range.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2015/04/15 06:52:58
    #2
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 07:03:53 (permalink)
    Sent a ticket as well, its my SOP for this sort of thing to do both.
    1) I dont own a multimeter, If I did I would take the card next door to my electrical engineer retired buddy and get him to do it for me. He cant find his. It may be that GPUZ is reporting it accurately, I may never know. But I bet you the engineers at EVGA can tell me more than I know. Its also possible that someone on this forum has the same card as I do and may be able to help me out too. One can hope.
     
    2) I was aware of that. Im not asking for them to miracle my card into super voltage.
    #3
    flexy123
    Superclocked Member
    • Total Posts : 123
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2015/04/01 09:53:54
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 07:10:41 (permalink)
    I heard that about allegedly software not being able to read voltages above a certain value. Not sure whether this is actually the case. I guess a primitive way to test more voltage would be set fan to a static RPM and then increase voltage and look whether the card gets hotter? My #*%$!* SC ACX2.0 (which is in RMA now and hopefully gets replaced) definitely was locked at 1.212C. From that point of view you're already lucky your card does 1.237, whether the 3975 is locked I don't know either.
     
    As for the Epidas..sorry I also don't have exact information but common sense would say they would be rather at the same speed as Hynex or Samsung, that would be a theoretical 8ghz...and real more 7.6-7.7. However, know that the speed doesn't mean too much since it's possible that memory might have different timings, depending what type is used. "Some people" on forums say Elpida "OCs slightly better than Hynix"...for what it's worth. So or so, I wouldn't go over 7.6/7.7 on ANY type of memory simply to avoid the chips performing internal CRC correction. (No point in trying to achieve 8300 if it results in CRC errors and performance loss..then rather a notch below the max. rated speed).
     
    Edit: I am surprised they must also have improved the fans itself considerably, not only the heatsink and VRMs. (Or possibly use slower fans). Because on the old models, anything over 40% is really unbearable. What RPM is the fan going at 75%?
    post edited by flexy123 - 2015/04/15 07:14:09
    #4
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 07:12:38 (permalink)
    Noted. ty. I also reading about people useing to GPUZ reading voltages well over 1.237. Also it apparently is reading the stock voltage up to 1.237 accurately, becuase every little bump up from stock is reflected accurately from 1.21 to 1.237.
    My money is on a have a not so great chip. Not that GPUZ decided to stop being accurate right at 1.237.
     3425 ish at 75%
     
    post edited by michaelrm1256 - 2015/04/15 07:18:01
    #5
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 07:28:36 (permalink)
    Im going to try your primitive method.
    #6
    the_Scarlet_one
    formerly Scarlet-tech
    • Total Posts : 24581
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/11/13 02:48:57
    • Location: East Coast
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 79
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 08:01:00 (permalink)
    Every time I have measured with multimeter and compared the voltage to gpuz, gpuz has been any where from 20-25mv lower than actual multimeter readings.
    #7
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 09:45:34 (permalink)
    thanks all. I dont know if reistalling AB did the trick on the new Nvidia driver did. Whether or not its accurate or 25-50 lower than actual, its reading up to max my BIOS mod allowed for. I've got my OC sorted for now.
    Here is the law of diminishing returns in action
    Stock 1366/7010 115 power limit 1.212v = 59.3 FPS Valley extreme 8XAA 1920x
             1461/7424 115                  1.236v = 63.1
             1556/7762 150                  1.261   = 66.5
    Anything higher on core or Vram crashes, And I dont want play with more voltage for now.
    I may just stick with  1461/7424 and try some hours of Cyrsis 3. As I have not tested any OC for very long under CRY3.
     
    post edited by michaelrm1256 - 2015/04/15 09:57:11
    #8
    the_Scarlet_one
    formerly Scarlet-tech
    • Total Posts : 24581
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/11/13 02:48:57
    • Location: East Coast
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 79
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 09:51:35 (permalink)
    I am just curious, what are you "pushing" (resolution and hz) to need to of incredibly high clocks?

    What kind of fps are you getting?

    What kind of cooling are you using as well?
    #9
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 10:04:10 (permalink)
    Some Old Dell CRT 19 in that does 1920 1440 at 75 hz. Im getting good FPS in Cry 3 Ultra Maxed, but not constant 60 and for sure not 75 constant. Besides that Im gearing up for Witcher 3, Dont know what I'll get in Far Cry 4. My Cpu holds my minimums back somewhat, only a i5 760 @ 3.911. The card is on Air case is open for now. But Case has plenty of fans. 2 front one huge top one high RMP rear exhuuast, one side fan.
     
    Case Antec 902 MOBO EVGA P55 SLI A74 Bios
    PSU Antec BP550Plus VIDEO EVGA 970 SSC 2.0 1542/7694 125% PWR +12mV 1.237VDDC
    CPU i5 760 @3.9GHZ 1.231vcore 1.2vtt CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper N520
    Ram Corsair CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 2x4GB @ 1490 MHz, 8-8-8-20 CR 2T 1.5v
    Monitor Some old Dell 19 in does 1900 x 1440 at 60Ghz though
    SSD Crucial BX100 250GB
    Optical LG DVD+R
    OS Win 7 64 Home premium Valley ExtremeHD 1920x1080 8xAA 2750
    #10
    the_Scarlet_one
    formerly Scarlet-tech
    • Total Posts : 24581
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/11/13 02:48:57
    • Location: East Coast
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 79
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 10:19:39 (permalink)
    Crysis cripples every card, so don't base it off of that.

    1920x1440? That seems like a strange resolution, lol.

    Overclocking, and definitely overvolting, isn't going to give you a massive boost on an already high over clocked card. Even gpu boost 2.0 will overclock your card further on stock voltage.

    If you are on a crt monitor, just lower the settings one notch, like shadows or something, that eat gpu usage. No, you won't have perfect eye candy, but will you actually notice without looking at the menu, probably not.


    Looking at bench marks, the 980 is only getting 65fps in crysis 3 at 2560x1440. Like I said, 1900/1920x1440 (you gave two difference answers) on a lower grade card is going to average about the same on slightly lower res. No card keeps constant speed all the time, as the gas happen on screen and tax the parts.
    #11
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 10:37:47 (permalink)
    The thing u may not realize is that a CRTS have a different aspect ratio than flat panel LCDS etc. They are closer to a square. No money yet for LCD but its coming. I bench at the standard everyone in the "new world" with shiny new monitors does. 1920 1080 is not aspect ratio thats displays properly on CRTs. Niether is 1920 1200. I dont have a problem with playing at lower res. I just want to get damn dollars worth and get everything i reasonably can get. I know Im not going to set any records, LOL.
    post edited by michaelrm1256 - 2015/04/15 10:39:51
    #12
    the_Scarlet_one
    formerly Scarlet-tech
    • Total Posts : 24581
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/11/13 02:48:57
    • Location: East Coast
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 79
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 10:50:07 (permalink)
    No one said you aren't getting your dollar already, except for you. The card almost performs at a level of my 780's for far less money. You are looking a gift horse in the mouth basically.

    And yes, I know crt's have a different aspect ratio than lcd's, that wasn't what I was saying, just that I am not used to seeing those numbers. You have at the top of you post 1920x1440 and at the bottom 1900x1440. It's strange because not many people use crt with how cheap lcd's are now.
    #13
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 11:03:37 (permalink)
    U trolling me? I never said I wasnt getting my monies worth, the fact that the card does anything at all over stock is just bonus. I KNOW THIS. I use CRTS because they are free and I have access to them, and when the image quality is still looking very good, with no chance for a dead pixel or bleeding, Its a no brainer. Until a few months ago I had a 23 in CRT that looked very good and did resolutions that only cards that costs a kidney could run at MAX. Most people that look at benchmarks dont give a crap about CRT resolutions right? thats why i bench at LCD res.
    #14
    the_Scarlet_one
    formerly Scarlet-tech
    • Total Posts : 24581
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2013/11/13 02:48:57
    • Location: East Coast
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 79
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 11:08:14 (permalink)
    Why would I troll you? You questioned voltage locks. I asked why you need more voltage on air. You said you want to get your damn monies worth. I said you were. That isn't trolling.

    I understand they are free. I said I was surprised because I am not used to seeing those resolutions with lcd's being so cheap. That is a fact.
    post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2015/04/15 11:12:02
    #15
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/15 11:25:32 (permalink)
    ok ty see ya
     
    #16
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/18 23:09:55 (permalink)
    Got a response from EVGA-
     
     
    The voltage a specific card can draw will vary from card to card based off of several factors, much in the same way the maximum boost will vary. Nvidia does limit the voltage maximum on reference model cards, but custom PCB cards like the SSC and FTW models have a higher voltage limit. This is not a publicized specification though that we can provide. The voltages can be adjusted in firmware with the appropriate program, which we can't assist with as you pointed out. I would suggest if you are interested in playing with voltages in BIOS, there are some great threads over on the overclock.net forums that could help you greatly. 

    As far as memory types are concerned, we make no distinctions between the different memory types used on the cards. While some users have a preference for one brand over another, in reality I've seen each brand have their good chips and bad chips as far as overclocking is concerned. 

    I hope that sheds a bit of light on what you were asking about. Unfortunately a lot of what you're asking we cannot go in to deeper details on, so we have to be a bit vague when discussing. If you do have any further questions, we'll be glad to answer them as best we can.
    #17
    flexy123
    Superclocked Member
    • Total Posts : 123
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2015/04/01 09:53:54
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/18 23:43:33 (permalink)
    Makes sense, also, what I suspected. (SSC and FTW have a different, programmable voltage controller). They are also right with their assessment of memory brands, this "Samsung is better" is nothing but a myth. My last GTX 660 had Hynix RAM, some say Hynix "overclocks better" and I got it up to +475 in Afterburner, so almost 7000 from the the 6000 default. And I see THIS Samsung Ram on the 970 also handles 450-460 at least, so it's on par with Samsung.
     
    As for voltages again, I have seen BIOS specifying 1.600V, some even 1.800V as upper maximum in the voltage table, so it could be assumed that some voltage controllers (in theory) could provide that much, given you have a tool that supports the particular controller and given you "unlocked" the BIOS that you can provide that much voltage. (Not that 1.6V or 1.8V would be anywhere near a sane voltage :) I don't think I personally would go anywhere above 1.25V, that is if I had a card that allows changing voltage and given than temps at whatever voltage would still be reasonable..AND given a card's layout can actually handle a wide open TDP/power draw...which of course would also have to be modified in the BIOS first. You sure don't want to draw lots of "illegally high" voltage from some puny card with only two 2x 6pin PCIE connectors, there is simply a limit what your hardware (voltage regulators), board, PSU, Cooler etc. can safely handle....and SOME of the cards are already very much at tolerance, at least from what I see.
    post edited by flexy123 - 2015/04/18 23:46:49
    #18
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/19 00:49:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for your reply. I am at 1.261v and its stable under 1536/7600. Temps under 100% fan are under 70C, in a 26c room.
    #19
    michaelrm1256
    New Member
    • Total Posts : 23
    • Reward points : 0
    • Joined: 2011/06/17 14:59:44
    • Status: offline
    • Ribbons : 0
    Re: 970 SSC 2.0 MOdel 3975 IS THE VOLTAGE HARDWARE LOCKED? 2015/04/19 12:07:58 (permalink)
    1.275 with power limit 150% crashes the driver under heavy load. So I think you are right again.  1.26 seems to be very close to my limit. I'll stick with 1.26.
    #20
    Jump to:
  • Back to Mobile